A Challenge

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by armedandsafe

Too bad I don't still have mil sights on any of my x-mil rifles. Sounds interesting.

Besides, I certainly don't want to be standing between you and PS. I had enough of that chaperoning on the Larson Elementary school bus.

Pops

Not to worry Pops. If I do it, I plan to use a Remington Model 700 .30-06 with a 3x9 Redfield from a benchrest. What the hell, a .30 caliber hole is a .30 caliber hole, right?

[TranterUK]

I accept the challenge, and will execute the drill Sunday morning. Weather permitting.

The only thing is being a military range I may have to talk the ROs into it, we shall see. I shall try to post pics.

[swanshot]

Originally Posted by TranterUK

I accept the challenge, and will execute the drill Sunday morning. Weather permitting.

The only thing is being a military range I may have to talk the ROs into it, we shall see. I shall try to post pics.

Oh well done sir. Damn Good show.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by TranterUK

I accept the challenge, and will execute the drill Sunday morning. Weather permitting.

The only thing is being a military range I may have to talk the ROs into it, we shall see. I shall try to post pics.

What? No SMLE? A bit of a sticky wicket there old boy, eh wot? Do your bit for Queen and Country. And try to be inspired by the last words of Admiral Lord Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar: "Thank God I have done my duty."

Swanie, can't I at least use a German Maschinengewehr 34? I have lots of surplus 8mm ammo for my Mausers.

[TranterUK]

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

What? No SMLE? And try to be inspired by the last words of Admiral Lord Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar: "Thank God I have done my duty."

Nelsons last words?

I thought it was 'Kismet Hardy' or 'Kiss me Hardy', the controversy continues.

If only HMS Victory could talk. Well worth a visit, I have often walked her decks.

[swanshot]

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Swanie, can't I at least use a German Maschinengewehr 34? I have lots of surplus 8mm ammo for my Mausers.

Since you have obviously not been keeping up with your reading I will repeat myself.
You have been enroled in the remedial class. You are required to report to Mr Tranter first thing Monday. Perhaps he can do something with you.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by TranterUK

Nelsons last words?

I thought it was 'Kismet Hardy' or 'Kiss me Hardy', the controversy continues.

If only HMS Victory could talk. Well worth a visit, I have often walked her decks.

Actually, you are correct, Tranter. The controversy does indeed continue on that issue. It seems clear he did say "Thank God I have done my duty"--as that was recorded by William Beatty, surgeon of the Victory--and he also said "Kiss me Hardy" to the captain of Victory. The question has always been which were his last words. Whatever the case, he was a brilliant naval officer and a very brave man. I find it interesting though that Nelson was brought down by a sniper firing from the rigging of Redoubtable, which only goes to show how effective a sniper can be. Oh, and on a final footnote to the death of Nelson, one I've always found kind of ironic, his body was preserved on the way home to England in a barrel of brandy. I guess there are worse ways to be embalmed.

Originally Posted by swanshot

Since you have obviously not been keeping up with your reading I will repeat myself.

You have been enroled in the remedial class. You are required to report to Mr Tranter first thing Monday. Perhaps he can do something with you.

Tranter???? OMG, I am in very deep billabong water now, and the crocs are hungry! I heard that back in his military days, Tranter was known as "Leftenant Meanness." Carved a notch on his pistol butt for each recruit he drove mad, he did!

OK, OK, I'll just use a nice German MP-40 . . . with military sights of course!

[TranterUK]

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

. I find it interesting though that Nelson was brought down by a sniper firing from the rigging of Redoubtable, which only goes to show how effective a sniper can be. Oh, and on a final footnote to the death of Nelson, one I've always found kind of ironic, his body was preserved on the way home to England in a barrel of brandy. I guess there are worse ways to be embalmed.

Two points of interest here, Nelson disliked snipers in the tops for fear of starting fires, though as you say he was shot by one. He did insist on walking the deck during the battle in his full uniform with various decorations. Several marines claimed to have killed the responsible sniper soon after.

The ball hit the top of his shoulder and ended at the base of the spine, an early example of bullet tracking.

Lastly, yes, he was kept in a barrel of brandy for the journey home. I was actually told by one of the current staff on the ship that when they opened it in England he had a big smile on his face.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by TranterUK

Two points of interest here, Nelson disliked snipers in the tops for fear of starting fires, though as you say he was shot by one. He did insist on walking the deck during the battle in his full uniform with various decorations. Several marines claimed to have killed the responsible sniper soon after.

The ball hit the top of his shoulder and ended at the base of the spine, an early example of bullet tracking.

Lastly, yes, he was kept in a barrel of brandy for the journey home. I was actually told by one of the current staff on the ship that when they opened it in England he had a big smile on his face.

Quite an ignominious ending for a man who had successfully triumphed in so many great battles--Battle of Cape St. Vincent, Action off Cadiz, Battle of Santa Cruz de Tenerife, The Battle of the Nile, and of course, Trafalgar. It is interesting to note that Nelson never made the rank of Full Admiral. He was a Vice Admiral when he was killed at Trafalgar, though it seems likely he would have been promoted after Trafalgar had he lived. It is also interesting to speculate that Nelson's victory at Trafalgar heavily influenced Britain's naval strategy in subsequent wars, particularly the First World War. The idea of a single great fleet victory against any enemy heavily influenced Britain's decision to build the Home Fleet, and not to invest heavily in submarines as did the Germans.

[swanshot]

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Tranter???? OMG, I am in very deep billabong water now, and the crocs are hungry! I heard that back in his military days, Tranter was known as "Leftenant Meanness." Carved a notch on his pistol butt for each recruit he drove mad, he did!

OK, OK, I'll just use a nice German MP-40 . . . with military sights of course!

Actually I was shooting today, and on the range was a Scotish Ex RSM.
Now Jock's carriage and general demeanor is such that I for one have to suppress the urge to say "yes SarMajor" every time he speaks. Scares the Bejasus outa me.
An MP-40 would be just fine Pistol, so long as you compensate for your increased firepower by doubling all the ranges.

[swanshot]

And now I must abed. Goodnight gentelman. Perhaps tomorrow will bring us a little excitment.

[swanshot]

Ok people, I'm loaded and off to the range. It is a bright, sunny Sunday, with a cold 12knt wind. Results will be posted tonight (my time)
And so gentlemen, let us test our mettle.

SoMo--dear lady may I have honour of wearing your ribbon.

[swanshot]

I come before you humbled by a crule and malevolent fate that dictated that today would be a "bad day" Beyond that I make no excuse. Judge me as you will. Have fun---my day will come.

But for the moment--if you will be so kind---I'll just crawl under a rock somewhere

[swanshot]

The Bayonette Charge.
There are two targets because I didn't realised that I'd swaped targets in mid shoot. As it was I ran out of ammo before the alloted time, but don't worry Pistol, I had a bag of Mills Bombs at my feet, and a very large Zouve with a flame thrower next to me. And if all else failed I could always throw canned tomatoes at em.

[Pistolenschutze]

Not your best day to be sure, Swanie, but not all that bad either. I find it interesting that you seem to have done somewhat better in the bayonet charge scenario than with the others. A .50 BMG would have been more effective still though.

As for the Mills bombs, I would be careful with them, Swanie. As I recall, they only have a 4 second delay fuse on them, and while you can heave them about 30 feet, the kill/wound range is greater than that. I would not rely too much on the fuses either, not if they're anything like the American pineapple or baseball grenades. I never did trust those damn things.

[swanshot]

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Not your best day to be sure, Swanie, but not all that bad either. I find it interesting that you seem to have done somewhat better in the bayonet charge scenario than with the others. A .50 BMG would have been more effective still though.

As for the Mills bombs, I would be careful with them, Swanie. As I recall, they only have a 4 second delay fuse on them, and while you can heave them about 30 feet, the kill/wound range is greater than that. I would not rely too much on the fuses either, not if they're anything like the American pineapple or baseball grenades. I never did trust those damn things.

It's time I faced it I can't see well enough any more. I'm about due to get my eyes tested again anyway. I'll present the problem to my optrometist
and see if he can suggest any thing, I say this because the "bayonet charge" targets were the only ones that I could see quite clearly. I've had this problem for years, but not this bad. At 200mts I couldn't see that bloody great big red 8 ring. Looking down range I could see it, but through the peep it just disapeared. This always happens to some degree, but not usually this bad
Does anyone know wether large doses of Brufen could effect eyesight, because I hurt my knee in a fall and It's not healing. The lovely Mrs Swanshot is arthriric and gets super strength Brufen on prescription, I've been taking some of them when It's bad. Knowing I would have to Kneel for this match I took one the night before, and again in the morning. These things (Brufen) are 400Mg pills.

As for the Mills bombs I chose those because I wanted to stay in character, after all the rifle is WW1 vintage. As for the .50 cal, no, no, pistol, I can't agree with you on that one----too much gun for such a short range. No, I would have settled for a Thompson and a couple of drums. Much easier to turn it on any of the rotters that actually manage to get into our line.

One little embarasment that I suffered was a case with no powder Dunno how it happened, but there it was, Pop, and a projectile was lodged in the bore, and to make it worse I didn't have my rod with me and had to go begging around the range to find one

All the above not withstanding I enjoyed my afternoon at the range

[Smokin Guns]

I shot today also...Clay's in the morning...then pic's of my contribution to fast food... Sorry...I had to mow and work on clearin' brush from a leased field...

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by swanshot

It's time I faced it I can't see well enough any more. I'm about due to get my eyes tested again anyway. I'll present the problem to my optrometist and see if he can suggest any thing, I say this because the "bayonet charge" targets were the only ones that I could see quite clearly. I've had this problem for years, but not this bad. At 200mts I couldn't see that bloody great big red 8 ring. Looking down range I could see it, but through the peep it just disapeared. This always happens to some degree, but not usually this bad

It's hell getting old, Swanie. I know that feeling all too well. Eyesight is one of the main reasons I do mostly benchrest shooting with a rifle these days, and that with a scope more often than not. And yeah, I know that it's time to get my lens replaced again as well.

Originally Posted by swanshot

Does anyone know wether large doses of Brufen could effect eyesight, because I hurt my knee in a fall and It's not healing. The lovely Mrs Swanshot is arthriric and gets super strength Brufen on prescription, I've been taking some of them when It's bad. Knowing I would have to Kneel for this match I took one the night before, and again in the morning. These things (Brufen) are 400Mg pills.

Brufen is simply another name for Ibuprofen, which in this country, may be purchased across-the-counter at any pharmacy or grocery story. The 400 mg pills do require a prescription, however. I've never quite understood why that is though, since the across-the-counter ones are 200 mg and it is simple enough to just take two of the damn things, and a good deal cheaper too. I looked it up in my PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) and I see no mention of an effect on eyesight, only an effect on the stomach if the dosage is continued for too long.

Originally Posted by swanshot

As for the Mills bombs I chose those because I wanted to stay in character, after all the rifle is WW1 vintage. As for the .50 cal, no, no, pistol, I can't agree with you on that one----too much gun for such a short range. No, I would have settled for a Thompson and a couple of drums. Much easier to turn it on any of the rotters that actually manage to get into our line.

Your point is well taken, though the advantage of a .50 BMG is that, at that range, the bullet will go thorough one target and likely the blighter behind him as well! Indeed, I've personally seen that happen on a couple of rather unpleasant occasions. I agree though, a Tommy chopper or an Uzi would probably be better at that range for precisely the reason you mentioned.

Originally Posted by swanshot

One little embarasment that I suffered was a case with no powder Dunno how it happened, but there it was, Pop, and a projectile was lodged in the bore, and to make it worse I didn't have my rod with me and had to go begging around the range to find one

I refrain from comment. Mama always said there are times when discretion is the better part of valor.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by Smokin Guns

I shot today also...Clay's in the morning...then pic's of my contribution to fast food... Sorry...I had to mow and work on clearin' brush from a leased field...

Some pretty nice lookin' T-bones-on-the-hoof you have there, Guns.

[swanshot]

Originally Posted by Smokin Guns

I shot today also...Clay's in the morning...then pic's of my contribution to fast food... Sorry...I had to mow and work on clearin' brush from a leased field...

I'll have the fillet's off one of those hefiers please. There just aint no rest for the wicked is there? Three days off shootin---now ya gotta pay the piper.
I've ordered another cap for you. God knows when it will arrive, but it will happen.

[Smokin Guns]

Some pretty nice lookin' T-bones-on-the-hoof you have there, Guns

Thanks Pistol...Let's hope the "market" thinks so also...

I'll have the fillet's off one of those "heifers" please

I'll see how/what it takes to ship...The calves were all born in late April/early May...The red bull calf and that whopper heifer calf are the biggest of the group...those are keepers, the rest get culled...they fund my sporting clay adventures next year...Thanks for the hat...I have a "Aussie Red Cross Relief" package being assembled for y'all also...Is y'alls hat size the same as the one you sent me...?...'quirin minds need ta know...I did get a price for 2 bolt mil-surp rifles from a local fella today...1 M44 (which I've had before)...and a M 91/30 (which I have not had before)...What do y'all think...I have sheetloads of 7.62x54r...the only thing I use it for is a SVT-40, and by y'alls "farkin'" rules I can't use...Tell me what y'all think...

[swanshot]

Originally Posted by Smokin Guns

Thanks Pistol...Let's hope the "market" thinks so also...
I have a "Aussie Red Cross Relief" package being assembled for y'all also...Is y'alls hat size the same as the one you sent me..

Yes, that was my new hat.


I did get a price for 2 bolt mil-surp rifles from a local fella today...1 M44 (which I've had before)...and a M 91/30 (which I have not had before)...What do y'all think...I have sheetloads of 7.62x54r...the only thing I use it for is a SVT-40, and by y'alls "farkin'" rules I can't use...Tell me what y'all think...

SVT-40???eh. If ya wanna shoot it, I reckon condition is more important than what it is. If ya can find a good rifle to use the ammo ya got, sheet mate just go for it.
The best rifle in the world is sheet if it's in bad nick.
Anyway, if your gonna shoot the challenge with it, not a problem, ya could beat my effort chuckin bricks.
today Aussie slang: Nick; Condition
Chuck; To throw. ie, How much wood would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

tried the scope you sent me, looks good, but I'm gonna have to modify the mount before I can properly test it. Lookin good so far. Gotta go to work now, catch ya.

[Smokin Guns]

Yes, that was my new hat

Thanks!...It's on the dashboard and coming along just fine...


I'm thinkin we'll be bobsey twins before it's over...the one in the pic's should give y'all a clue...Your shootin' ain't bad for open sights (my point of view)...I was supposed to have cataract surgery a year ago (both eyes, left eye dominant...worse)...once I found out it wasn't "Lasic"...I put it off (sissy boy)...I shoot with prescription shootin' glasses now...Reckon sooner or later I'll have ta trust some folk ta take a scalpel to my eye lens...

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by Smokin Guns

...and a M 91/30 (which I have not had before)...What do y'all think...I have sheetloads of 7.62x54r...the only thing I use it for is a SVT-40, and by y'alls "farkin'" rules I can't use...Tell me what y'all think...

The 91/30 is a very good rifle, Guns. I have three of them. They aren't particularly handsome, but they shoot right well indeed. I've always felt the Russians put most of their manufacturing effort into making good barrels and reliable actions on those rifles, instead of investing in time consuming finish work. A better choice would be a Russian PPSh 41, but Swanie got his drawers all in a knot when I mentioned I wanted to use a submachine gun for his contest.

[Smokin Guns]

The 91/30 is a very good rifle

I'm gunna give it a go Pistol...