Countersniper scopes???

[Shooter45]

I reread the complete thread and I don't think you were being addressed. Read it again and You may see the same. Correct me if I'm wrong as I may have missed something.

[ampaterry]

My aunt used to tell me that to avoid fights, don't talk about religion or politics.

She apparently forgot to add Scopes to that list - -

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by Shooter45

I reread the complete thread and I don't think you were being addressed. Read it again and You may see the same. Correct me if I'm wrong as I may have missed something.

I thought so because of this.

Originally Posted by okiefired

I will say this, the two guys promoting the CS here have, between the two of them according to thier posts, 300 rnds set off under the scope. Thats pretty funny considering they were both yelling "what experience do YOU have with it personally" !.................. To come on this site and make a blanket statement about them like "nothing but a bunch of wanna be snipers" is pure ignorance and lets me know right off that nothing else you say needs to be taken with one bit of seriousness, your credibility just went right out the window. okie

1. Although I don't feel I'm promoting CS scopes, I have spoken positively, factually and objectively about them.

2. I did say that about snipershide, and like all internet forums, there are pros and there fanboys. Not everyone there is a trained "sniper" so to speak and fanboys and dilettantes often infiltrate these sites. I meant no disrespect for the actual professionals there or the real value of the site. I have referenced it from time to time myself when it came in searches for rifle reviews. The reviewers at snipershide gave bad reviews to the scope, I simply disagreed. I apologize if that statement came out wrong.

3.If it was not directed to or referenced me, I also apologize to Okie, however, I think I assumed safely on this one.

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

My aunt used to tell me that to avoid fights, don't talk about religion or politics.

She apparently forgot to add Scopes to that list - -

I try not to just flat out take a dump in someones bowl of cheerios, but knitting circles bore me.

We could add to that list-rifles, pistols, ammo, trucks,,,,,its a big list.

[okiefired]

"How many actual snipers do you think are at snipers hide?"

I dont know, you count'em and let us know.

"And btw, I doubt that snipershide has any real snipers to be found. Please do not put any confidence in these rubes, gameboys and fanboys."

All the more reason for you to head on over there and teach'em what its all about...and you might want to show up at a few of thier matches too...that'l help.

"All I can tell you is read my post just a few up. I had this scope for two months, shot over a hundred rounds through my NM M1A with it and it was repeatable, bright and clear."

100 rnds? Really? You seriously said that on a public forum expecting that to be proof? A BSA could hold up for 100 rnds.

"Well...I guess I will spend a few minutes I will never get back to straighten out a fan boy noob......."

This quote really had no bearing, I just found it so funny I had to post it.

"Oh and the counter snipers were never used in the military or were ever contracted."

"That's easy to find out. Its called marketing, they all do it"

Be sure and let us know who "they all" is so we'll know exactly who it is CS is running with.


I didn't address you "directly" because I didn't feel it was needed...Infidel. I try and not get personal on forums...Infidel...obviously you do and if thats the way you'd like to be...thats fine, I can go with that. These quoats above are from you so you be sure and let me know (publically, not privately) where I misrepresented anything. I comented on just what was posted on this thread and nothing else....you and everyone else can take it exactly as they want.

okie

[Thug-o-nomics]

For anybody who's still interested, here's a simple testimonial from somebody who's used one : I purchased my Counter-Sniper 3-9x42 scope back in August and mounted it on a custom FAL that I'd just had built. Since then, I've put over 600 rounds of .308 through the combo. I initially made the mistake of buying a cheap dust cover/scope mount combo (to avoid starting another war of words, I won't mention the brand name - suffice it to say, I got what I paid for). The mount was literally shaken to pieces by the time 200 rounds were down range. The scope, on the other hand, has performed flawlessly. After coming to my senses and buying an A.R.M.S. #3 scope mount, I have been enjoying the heck out of it. This isn't a low recoil weapon and the scope has never lost zero or manifested any sort of defect that I've been able to detect.

For the sake of openness, this account is coming from somebody who's probably an average shot. (Maybe a Mil-Dot above average on a good day.) I can drop a white tail on a dead run at 200 yards but that just makes me a carnivore, not a sniper.

The only beef I might make about this scope is the ultra-fine reticule. (I can definitely understand where Infidel is coming from on this account.) Would my experience be the same had I chosen a scope from a different manufacturer? Don't know. This is the only scope I've mounted on my beast, so to say anything else would be mere speculation. What I can say is this: I've used my CS scope hard and it's never let me down. I can't ask for more.

[reynolds357]

I have considered buying one, but I have two major questions that I need cleared up before I purchase a counter sniper. 1. They claim to be a military contract scope. What military contract were they awarded?
2. Why do they not have a lifetime warranty?
I am not nocking them because I have never shot one. I just want some good info. to make an informed decision.

[Thug-o-nomics]

Fair questions Reynolds. You're probably going to have to contact CounterSniper (866-883-9444) to get specifics about their military contracts. I wouldn't expect a great deal of granular information though. I make my living in the realm of procurement and contract negotiations, so I can tell you from experience that, depending upon how long ago a given contract was awarded, CS is very limited (legally/contractually) regarding the specific information they can share with the public. There are so many rules vendors MUST follow when contracting with the Federal Government - particularly with the DoD - that it's basically a science on to itself. In this case, the DoD has some particularly stringent non-disclosure terms (understandably so, I may add), so I'm guessing the best you can hope for is some fairly general information.

I think I can help you out regarding their warranty though. These quotes come directly from CS' website (www.countersniperoptics.com).

For their top line scopes: "The CMOG Titanium Line is the only tactical riflescope in the world UNCONDITIONALLY warranted for life. Battle damage, bomb damage, even bullet impacts are covered. If it is damaged unworkable, send it to us and we will fix it or give you a new one."

For their other scopes:"For Factory New Unissued Models in the Aluminum line, the warranty is also Lifetime, covering manufacturing defects, albeit battle and accidental damage and normal wear and tear are not covered. Contract overruns carry a 10 yr. manufacturer warranty. "

Hope this helps!

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by okiefired

I dont know, you count'em and let us know.

I would bet that very few are compared to thier total membership.

"All I can tell you is read my post just a few up. I had this scope for two months, shot over a hundred rounds through my NM M1A with it and it was repeatable, bright and clear."

100 rnds? Really? You seriously said that on a public forum expecting that to be proof? A BSA could hold up for 100 rnds.

I wasn't attesting to its durability. I said exactly what I meant. The other things you quoted were taken out of context and don't deserve reply.

"Well...I guess I will spend a few minutes I will never get back to straighten out a fan boy noob......."

This quote really had no bearing, I just found it so funny I had to post it.

Glad I could amuse you.

"Oh and the counter snipers were never used in the military or were ever contracted."

"That's easy to find out. Its called marketing, they all do it"

Be sure and let us know who "they all" is so we'll know exactly who it is CS is running with.

Marketing...anyone who advertises through any media is marketing something. Its a marketing slogan afaic.

I didn't address you "directly" because I didn't feel it was needed...Infidel. I try and not get personal on forums...Infidel...obviously you do and if thats the way you'd like to be...thats fine, I can go with that. These quoats above are from you so you be sure and let me know (publically, not privately) where I misrepresented anything. I comented on just what was posted on this thread and nothing else....you and everyone else can take it exactly as they want.

okie

I wouldn't say you misrepresented, I would say that you misunderstood my posts. Look, I don't want to get into a pissin contest with you, I just want to give a fair shake to a product that doesn't warrant all the flak this one is getting. I just try to educate with facts about it.

Fact-Its is made in the US-Rochester NY with Schott glass from Germany.

Fact- The one I had performed well, exactly as i said.

I never attested to anything else about it, however, there are others here that have and many others have purchased on many websites and stores and sales must be good because they have been around awile now and are being sold at many reputable outlets. I don't know what else to say about it.

[Infidel]

I have been shopping for a scope for awhile now for my M1. I was at Midway USA and browsing thier with their selection tool. For the helluvit, I searched for CS and read a few reviews. Interesting.....

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimens...erSearchQuery=

[reynolds357]

Originally Posted by Thug-o-nomics

Fair questions Reynolds. You're probably going to have to contact CounterSniper (866-883-9444) to get specifics about their military contracts. I wouldn't expect a great deal of granular information though. I make my living in the realm of procurement and contract negotiations, so I can tell you from experience that, depending upon how long ago a given contract was awarded, CS is very limited (legally/contractually) regarding the specific information they can share with the public. There are so many rules vendors MUST follow when contracting with the Federal Government - particularly with the DoD - that it's basically a science on to itself. In this case, the DoD has some particularly stringent non-disclosure terms (understandably so, I may add), so I'm guessing the best you can hope for is some fairly general information.

I think I can help you out regarding their warranty though. These quotes come directly from CS' website (www.countersniperoptics.com).

For their top line scopes: "The CMOG Titanium Line is the only tactical riflescope in the world UNCONDITIONALLY warranted for life. Battle damage, bomb damage, even bullet impacts are covered. If it is damaged unworkable, send it to us and we will fix it or give you a new one."

For their other scopes:"For Factory New Unissued Models in the Aluminum line, the warranty is also Lifetime, covering manufacturing defects, albeit battle and accidental damage and normal wear and tear are not covered. Contract overruns carry a 10 yr. manufacturer warranty. "

Hope this helps!

Thanks. Helps a little. I guess my question now evolves into "contract overruns." I have looked at these "contract overrun" scopes. My problem with them is I have talked to no one in the military who recognizes them as anything they have ever seen. I spoke with one person who says they have never provided a scope to the military. He said the only thing they have ever contracted is a scope tube to another manufacturer who supplies scopes to the military. I have heard so much B.S. surrounding Counter Sniper scopes that I have no idea what to believe.

[okiefired]

First off, my response to you, Infidel, was because of your attitude towards the members at SH, not wether the CS scope was any good or not....I could care less.

Originally Posted by Infidel

I would bet that very few are compared to thier total membership

I totally agree if you're talking about Mil trained snipers and pros. You of all people should know that being one yourself. I think they have somewhere near 30K members. They could have several thousand and still have "very few compared".


I wasn't attesting to its durability. I said exactly what I meant. The other things you quoted were taken out of context and don't deserve reply.

Duribility is exactly what you were talking about. You're the one that said 100 rounds and several months, that is a measure of durability, although a very insignificant one. Reply as you want, but I took it as you said it.

Glad I could amuse you.

It really was funny, coming from someone with your self admited experience with the product.

Marketing...anyone who advertises through any media is marketing something. Its a marketing slogan afai

Once again, I agree. Simply asked you to give examples of other makers we could group CS in with.


I wouldn't say you misrepresented, I would say that you misunderstood my posts. Look, I don't want to get into a pissin contest with you, I just want to give a fair shake to a product that doesn't warrant all the flak this one is getting. I just try to educate with facts about it.

Fact-Its is made in the US-Rochester NY with Schott glass from Germany.

Fact- The one I had performed well, exactly as i said.

I never attested to anything else about it, however, there are others here that have and many others have purchased on many websites and stores and sales must be good because they have been around awile now and are being sold at many reputable outlets. I don't know what else to say about it.

Hey, I never wanted to get into a pissin contest with you either. You like the scope, thats great, hope it continues to work fine for you. Like I said, my dissagreement with you was on your comments about the members of SH. Yeah, it, like this site and all others is over run with people who join, read for a bit what everyone else has to say, and then they're all of the sudden, "wasteing thier time linning all the noob's out"......most of them probably havn't pulled a trigger 100 times in thier life. There are many professionals on the Hide, a man like you should fit right in. I'm curious as to why you didn't. You talk like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Anyway, best of luck with your scope and thanks for your service.

okie

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by okiefired

First off, my response to you, Infidel, was because of your attitude towards the members at SH, not wether the CS scope was any good or not....I could care less.

I'll take that. I will admit I certainly came off strong out of the gate on that one. My apologies, as I said before.

I wasn't attesting to its durability. I said exactly what I meant. The other things you quoted were taken out of context and don't deserve reply.

Duribility is exactly what you were talking about. You're the one that said 100 rounds and several months, that is a measure of durability, although a very insignificant one. Reply as you want, but I took it as you said it.

Do you really think I would call 300 rnds a durability test? (and that was bench shooting!) I only said it held its zero and didn't fall apart like some folks reported in the amount of time I had it.

Hey, I never wanted to get into a pissin contest with you either. You like the scope, thats great, hope it continues to work fine for you.

Acyually no. If you read my posts you would have seen that I returned it shortly after I bought it. It has FFP crosshairs and they are SUPER fine. I couldn't see the damn things and the crazy psuedo MIL-Dot reticle in it was too busy and I didn't care to figure it out.

Like I said, my dissagreement with you was on your comments about the members of SH. Yeah, it, like this site and all others is over run with people who join, read for a bit what everyone else has to say, and then they're all of the sudden, "wasteing thier time linning all the noob's out"......most of them probably havn't pulled a trigger 100 times in thier life. There are many professionals on the Hide, a man like you should fit right in. I'm curious as to why you didn't. You talk like you've got a chip on your shoulder.

Well, that is a long story for another time but suffice it to say, I must admit I do have somewhat of a chip on my shoulder. Some things just don't go away and we can't seem to let them.

But since we're here, I'll explain a little.

After the Military, after working as a security contractor and after serving as a deputy Sheriff in my home county, I finally married and walked away from all the action Jackson jobs I had become accustomed to. I applied my self to a nice simple private sector job that didn't require carrying a gun and I became a casual shooter. For several years I never even owned a gun besides my old mossy pump I got when I was a teenager. About a decade ago I got an itch and decided to get back in. I filled the safe with all my old favorites and started shooting casually at my own range. Last year I attended the OFASTS with a friend that came out from L.A.(he never shot a FA) and I saw they were having a "sniper" contest. I thought, hmm, that might be fun, so I checked into it. It wasn't a sniper comp like I had ever seen. It was really a long range competition with a bunch of guys shooting bench or prone. Reminded me of some NRA comp.

Well, the last time I was in a sniper comp, you didn't see the competitors until they got spotted or finally stood up. I spent way too much time laying in tall grass on a dirt mound for days at a time in Panama, or stalking around AO's gathering intel to recognize a long range shooting comp as a "sniper match". I know it sounds like splitting hairs, but its just a raw spot with me.

Anyway, best of luck with your scope and thanks for your service.

okie

thanks man, I appreciate that. I'd do it all again in a heartbeat. Except for the scope, I think my next one is a Bushnell tactical. Its a grand, but I've good luck with Bushy and this one has REAL mildots.

[gun runner]

Nightforce is probaly your best bet for performance, quality and good times. Countersniper is just as good.

[okiefired]

okie

[reynolds357]

Originally Posted by gun runner

Nightforce is probaly your best bet for performance, quality and good times. Countersniper is just as good.

Nightforce is best but Countersniper is just as good.
I really dont understand that.

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by reynolds357

Nightforce is best but Countersniper is just as good.
I really dont understand that.

I don't either. If I could afford a NF, I would buy one. However, I would NEVER compare a CS to a NF.

NFs are proven on the battlefield and IIRC, a NF was on the rifle that made the new record long distance kill by a military sniper over in A-stan. Canadian kid, don't remember his name right off.

[ampaterry]

Thread restored, personal attacks deleted, troll removed.

[pickenup]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

Thread restored, personal attacks deleted, troll removed.

Thanks

[Deadly0311]

Originally Posted by jack404

theres a link to another forum where the post is , he is correct it does state the rifle , but when i PM's the guy , he explained it was his friends and then i got another link to the exact same post on another pseudo sniper forum , when i asked there same story , a friends rifle .. Donny i dont mind a bagging but i've been seeing a pattern against some makers, maybe they where real junk before , i dunno , but shooting handling knowing 10 and not one bad thing besides the alu mount screws? meeh on the BP group a friend has a issue , sent it back , got a new one , dunno the issue it was a while back , so even that side is ok

when asked what there first hand experience with this scope is, they dont reply , not one ..

we asked the forum and a couple owners stated they where ok , no one claimed they where anything they aint .. a bang for buck scope, but we are all idiots for not following onw post thats been dupicated in a couple places , thankfully not here

if something is junk , the members will say so , i've been steer'd away from things because too many folks here had issues , but they aint seen fit to say these are bad.. and how many regulars we got now ? 28K ? more ?
and i dont see it , their facts are just wrong , plastic knobs ? not on any i've seen...
i smell 1 or 2 people pestering forums with this and some other small US scope makers , why ? i dunno ,

That was my review.....was a Marine for 5 years. I did shoot it on MY RIFLE....and for you to say that you PM'ed me asking about it is complete twinkydink.

I still have that hunk of **** in my basement. For the record I run Hensoldts, Nightforce, SB, and Premiers. I can say that the Counter Sniper is most certainly made in China. You can believe all the claims you want about it being made in NY, but as the old saying goes "Ignorance is bliss"

[jack404]

so why is your IP the same as the other guys who pasted me , does the person from that IP still state that i have no military experience , that i know nothing of guns and all the rest of the crap ?

mate i'm sick of ya , go away , if your story is legit , sorry..

but to attempt to charachter assassinate me , call me all those things

all based on my opinion that the thing is ok , thats nuts ,

i aint interested no more .

in fact go away , ya bother me sonny

if you are a Marine ask yourself this , how would you feel haveing your service ridiculed , your name slandered and those around you stating your a liar you never served , over a rifle scope ?

real or not , marine or not

go away you burned your bridges long ago

[Deadly0311]

Need a DD214 or Retired Military ID to prove it?

Facts:
You said that you spoke to me about the test that I ran....which never happened because I would have told you that it was my scope and my rifle.

The rory kid you banned lives in Michigan, I know him and his brother. I live in Alabama, strike two (hey you're pretty good at this)

Character assasination normally occurs when the accused party is in the wrong, which you most certainly are.

So, do as you may and use your 9500 posts and tell me what I am saying is wrong because my post count isn't as high as yours.

Have a good one buddy.

P.S.
Can you look yourself in the mirror and lie to yourself as well about talking to me, the IP address BS, and all your other misfindings?



Editted to Add:

Here is the scope that I tested.


On this rifle


And wait a second, here is me in Iraq and 29 Palms......a couple of times




Walking through the airport on the way to Iraq:

[jack404]

ok , so you had a bad deal , as stated before , sorry , so why have you and your friend been calling anyone whos finding not the same as yours liars ?

sayin "he's probably never been anywhere near the military" " just a troll" etc ?

all i did was post some pic's of one here a young guy bought

i liked it so much i bought 2 ( still waiting on the 2nd but i'm in Australia thats common , waiting ...)

some parts may be made in china but i called the place and asked , i forget what was made where some parts japan some in EU and some in the USA and assembled there

then i was told i did not call ..

like i cant trace IP address's

sir you dont know what i can do or see , or who i call , heck i call the us at the drop of a hat to check stuff , but you or your friend know i did not .. sheeeesh

trust me you IP has been here before , and a few other forums all stating the same hate against folks who say anything decent about CS scopes

if its so bad why not spend the time going against the company to right the wrong ??

instead of attacking folks here and other places who state their own experiences and saying they are liars , work for CS or their agents , or are resellers as i am not , i would not sell enough to qualify as a dealer so i buy mine from the sellers here

i'm just a small trader repairer here in Australia , i think they are value for money , yes there are better scopes but you pay for that quality and they aint all made in china as i checked , i suggest you do too , call the company and ask them to sort it

instead of attacking folks who's experiences are different to yours

and your friend was banned for doing just what was stated , but not by me

but another mod who saw personal attacks against anyone saying they where OK

and you and your friend have done this on 6 forums .. 6 !! you have no credability sir

you explain your friend was at it , ok theres a few of you ,

aint any of you got anything better to do than attack folks for saying they where ok ( not brilliant , not exceptional but just OK decent value nothing huge)

or wont you stop until we all swear CS is evil and terrible and other crap ??
( your own jihad ? )

end of story

good bye

[Deadly0311]

Can you tell me the 6 forums that I have done this on? Because this being the 2nd forum that I have ever said anything about Countersniper. The first was Snipershide. I post under the same name on all the forums that I am on. I wasn't attacking you, I was letting others know that you are full of crap when you said that you talked to me, and that it was not my rifle nor my test that I myself conducted. I have never talked to you, like you stated. I honestly do not care what you guys run scope wise, if you are happy with the Counter Sniper then rock on.

If you can post me some references where I have done this on 6 forums, I will gladly concede that you are right. Likewise, here is my IP Address from the computer that I am typing on at this very moment. 192.168.5.23

[Shooter45]

Personal attacks are NOT ALLOWED. Read the rules !!

If you want to post a reply about CS scopes, go ahead. If not, have a nice life.