october surprise?

[rosierita]

click here.

[ponycar17]

Rosie, I hope you're right about this video but I believe that the world powers who want Obama to be our next president can produce any document you desire for Barack. Fact doesn't matter in this election...

[rosierita]

oh the chicago machine is definately at work...

click here to sign the petition & contact your elected officials about this.

[ponycar17]

I think it's a bit deeper than the Chicago machine.... *crawls back in bunker*...

[Marlin T]

What would happen if he is indeed elected President, Then is found to be ineligible?

Would McCain get the office by default? Or would gun ban Biden step up to the office?

[CampingJosh]

If it's after the election, I'm pretty sure that would make Biden our president. And that wouldn't really be much of an improvement, now would it?

[sabashimon]

Originally Posted by ponycar17

Fact doesn't matter in this election...

Truer words never spoken.
Darndest thing.....facts just do not matter in this election.
The MSM decides for us which facts are pertinent, according to their bias of course.
I've never seen anything like it: It would be one thing if Obama had only ONE questionable relationship.
But when you factor in Pastor Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Khalidi, Acorn, Odinga, etc., and the birth certificate issue.......you're left scratching your head.
I can hear the CEO's of CNN, NBC, Time, the NY Times, et al, every morning chanting their mantra together in a conference call:
"Nothing matters (ohm), pay no attention (ohm), elect Obama (ohm)" (repeat three times)

[artabr]

Its sad. You can hear the bleating of the sheep as they chant hope and change. They don't have a clue.

A little bit of thread drift.

I get my local fish wrapper this morning, well yesterday now , and in the national section there's the story on the Palin inquisition in Alaska.
No where in the AP story was the fact mentioned that she was perfectly within the law when she canned the public safety commissioner.
I unloaded on them on their comment section.
The press tends to get my blood boiling.
I love it when Rush puts together a montage of all the parrots in the main stream media using the exact same words to describe a situation. 10 parrots squawking the same words makes for a prejudice media.

Rant over.


Art

[dcd_enterprises]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

If it's after the election, I'm pretty sure that would make Biden our president. And that wouldn't really be much of an improvement, now would it?

No, Biden is on the ticket for assassination insurance.

[rosierita]

SON OF KENYA

[Marlin T]

Somebody posted the law suit here somewhere, I think in the Constitutional fourm maybe.

[rosierita]

another video

[KING64]

Hannity will be presenting a program on Obama on his show at 9 PM (Pacific Time) tonight (Sunday 10/12/08) on the Fox channel. I do not know if Hannity's program will be addressing this issue or not but I intend to watch.

[rosierita]

king ~ jerome corsi will be on monday night's hannity & colmes.

[doug66]

It disgusts me that there are enough STUPID voters in the U.S.A., that it is even possible obama could win. This is what happens when three entitlement generations can vote for their Messiah. Liberals love poverty, cause the poor vote for big govt., which in turn keeps the libs. in control.


bho pro's
eloquent speaker

bho con's
Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, his record, Mama was an atheist, Daddy and step Dad muslim, media and hollywood love him which proves he's the devil.

Ok I'm done. Now back to filling sand bags and loading ammo for the end of days.

[KING64]

There is only one truth that Obama preaches: He will bring change. And that scares the hell out of me.

[dcd_enterprises]

A liberal reply to this video. Anyone want to take a stab at this?

Daniel,

This attempt to use race or anything else to keep the Bush policies in the white house. Don't you think the economy failure alone is one reason the country cannot afford to do this? Second if you're trying to sway my vote it won't happen. I'm a registered Republican and would vote that way if McCain had anything new to say about the issues of the day. But the clincher is that he picked a running mate that just isn't qualified. The news media didn't ask any tough questions. If you asked me what I read on a regular basis I'd be able to rattle off 10 to 20 periodicals without even thinking. Sarah Palin became a town mayor of a small town and then governor of Alaska because she had a pretty smile and ran against a couple of idiots. I have more international experience than she does.

If you can't see that this administration has run the country into the ground at taxpayers expense while their friends got rich I feel sorry for you. Putting America or Country first means putting the country ahead of any political party.

I watched the video and it is garbage!

Unless you've decided to change your vote and give America a new direction you don't need top respond I'm voting Obama and I'll look for future candidates that are not in lock step with the religious right.

[Vladimir]

I didn't watch the video, and I know that quote was some retard who won't ever see this, but I like responding to this stuff. My mom religiously sends all her liberal friends spam to me to debunk!

This attempt to use race or anything else to keep the Bush policies in the white house.

Countless reports have been given on Obama's connections to Bush, including his campaign strategy, running as a moral judgement-based individual is straight out of Bush 2000. Two groups of people learned something these past 8 years, values and moral-based voting either does or doesn't work. Anyone who claims to the contrary is a fool. The problem is people will keep it partisan for the most part. I happen to believe Obama is right, it is entirely about judgement. The issue is America can't afford Obama's judgement.

In addition, an op-ed recently ran on CNN "Obama and Bush are not so far apart" details specific issues on which Obama and Bush are similar, if not identical. Completetly destroying the "Bush sucks" argument. Which shouldn't matter anyway since Obama should be running as Barack Obama, not "not-G-dub".

I'm a registered Republican and would vote that way if McCain had anything new to say about the issues of the day.

I'm not sure how this makes any sense. In a way, what he is saying isn't new, because unlike almost any other politician almost everything he says, he has been saying for a long time. In relation to "Bush-again," he has a lot of new things to say. His stance on energy (nuclear in particular), the use of torture (or lack of use), Guantanamo Bay, and global warming are just a few glaringly obvious examples that come to mind in 30 seconds.

But the clincher is that he picked a running mate that just isn't qualified.

It only goes one way. Most will honestly concede that McCain is wrong, it isn't experience, it is judgment. In that case Sara Palin is just as qualified as anyone else. If it is experience that matters... Obama is screwed just as badly as Palin, which is interesting since last time I checked, Obama was running for president, not Sara Palin.

The news media didn't ask any tough questions. If you asked me what I read on a regular basis I'd be able to rattle off 10 to 20 periodicals without even thinking.

Congradulations. I can't. Of course my pinky finger probably knows more about politics and foreign policy than you (or your fellow liberal chronies) do. By any count, except experience (in which case I'm fairly close to Obama). My bookshelves are full of crap I never read, you know why? Everyone says the same bullshit in 3 or 4 forms, over and over again. If you waste your time reading that crap you are an idiot.

If you can't see that this administration has run the country into the ground at taxpayers expense while their friends got rich I feel sorry for you.

Okay idiot. Who got rich because of Bush? No one, people got rich sure, but they would have gotten rich under any circumstances. If you want to claim corruption you have a sticky case since that is a fairly bi-partisan issue (*cough* Barney Frank *cough*).

Unless you've decided to change your vote and give America a new direction you don't need top respond I'm voting Obama and I'll look for future candidates that are not in lock step with the religious right.

I'm not really sure how McCain is lock-step with the religious right, but I'm not really sure what's wrong with the religious right anyway. We have professors at school who talk about it like some big evil conspiracy, which is particularly shocking since I'm at a christian school.

How dare christians try and represent their values and morals into politics! Any christian who thinks christian values don't belong in politics is a balless coward, and an idiot. It was George Washington who said it was impossible to govern morally without the bible (paraphrase). Christians simply have to believe the entire world, christian or not, would be better off living under christian law and values. If they don't believe that they are lost and haven't paid much attention on Sundays.

[dcd_enterprises]

Daniel,

I wanted to give you what my take on the party is and why I'm voting for Obama. I was going to give you facts on the many different reasons I have gone away from the party but rather than me explaining all of this I thought I'd let you see it. Go to Meet the Press and view the Colon Powell interview. Powell explains how both candidates in his opinion love their country and both would be good leaders. He then goes on to make some distinctions between the two and reveals some things that bother him about the republican party. Many of his views could have been taken right out of what I would write to you. Colon Powell is one of the parties most respected members. He has served his country in many capacities and his views reflect many of the things I think are wrong with the party.

Please look at the interview before sending anything else to me as General Powell has really captsualized what I think are some of the things wrong with the party.

www.msnbc.com

Take a look
Jay

And my reply:

Yes Sir, I watched the interview on MsNBC, The official Obama Campaign Press Platform. I've been looking hard to see what other Socialist inexperienced white people Colin Powell has endorsed. Coming up short though. He said that the next President must use the power of his personality to convey to the world that America will rise to the challenges facing her. What a load of Pap. Obama is a transformational figure. Damn right. He seeks to transform this country into the Union of American Socialist Republics. I'm sorry Barry, I'm not paying any more of a tax debt. I'll simply quit producing any more capital than I abosolutely need to survive. IT IS NOT MORE PATRIOTIC TO PAY MORE TAXES. Sorry Mr. Biden. Obama told Joe the Plumber that he "Wants to spread the wealth around." Well,
Obama $133.6 million, McCain $47 million, Why don't you start there, you Socialist pig. Why don't you spread some of your campaign wealth around to candidates with less money that you. After all, that would be fair. Oh, I forgot. It's only fair if you get to redistribute the taxpayers wealth from those who worked for it to those who didn't. That's good incentive for the producers to keep producing. Punish them. What a fool.
Joe Biden: "Mark My Words: The world will challenge Obama and his Administration within six months of the election. They will be testing this young man." Why? We've been hearing fr nearly a year now that if Obama is elected the world will again love us. That we will reclaim our standing on the world stage. He will show the world that they have nothing to fear from us, and they will then like us.

Obama has promised to raise taxes, across the board. Period. Why? He has promised to allow the Bush Tax cuts to expire. THAT IS A TAX INCREASE. Every time Bush cut taxes, Christi and Myself received a check in the mail. I guess we're some of those rich folk that Bush only gave tax cuts to. Those checks came at a critical time for us as well. Obama is going to take more money from me when they expire. period. I don't like that. I wouldn't vote for that one. Senator Government wishes to increase the Capital Gains Taxes. There's a brilliant idea when the economy is in recession. I learned how MONUMENTALLY STUPID that was in 9th grade economics class. Maybe I could go to Harvard. That is going to discourage investment in a Market that is starving for capital liquidity. If we would ELIMINATE the Capital Gains Taxes for 5 years, the $700,000,000,000 that the Government just invented using Government math could be generated from the Private Sector, eliminating the need for a Government bailout. But we couldn't have that, Uncle Sam wouldn't have his hand in the till of the market then.

Obama is going to create Government provided Health Care if elected. He thinks Health Care is a Right. Funny, I missed that one in the Bill of Rights. Must be in that addendum with Abortion.

I will bet dollars to donuts that if Obama wins the Election next month Israel WILL bomb Iran, and Bush will back Israel. We will be in a three front war by Inaguration Day if Obama is elected. The Israelis will see to it. Obama sees it as Politics, Israel sees it as their survival. I look for China to take Taiwan in the next two years, Putin to take Ukraine. We are the only thing that stands in the way of Europe being completely overrun by anyone who wishes to do so. Europe has been free to sleep comfortably under the blanket ofsecurity that we've provided for them over the past 63 years, and then have the gaul to question the manner in which we provide it. Well, the Socialists such as Saul Aulinsky, William Ayers, and Barack Obama have been listening to those questions, and will seek to weaken our military force. Vladimir Putin is a Communist. Once a KGB member, always a KGB member. The agressive use of force is the only thing he knows or understands. Ask the citizens of the Republic of Georgia. This is a world governed by the Agressive use of force. You must have the military might and they must believe you are willing and able to use it. Obama's la-la land is just what the terrorists, fascists, and communists in this world are waiting for. We've been dealing with these fundamentalists in Iran for 30 years. Thank you you monumental Fool Jimmy Carter. He was the last Democratic fool in office who thought he could change the world with his personality and showing everyone he was a nice guy. Go back pounding nails, Jimmy. 32 years later, and we're still trying to clean up your messes.

[Mrs. DCD]

Danny's Cousin is the one to whom he is replying in the above quotes. He made the mistake of forwarding that reply of his to me as well. I just got around to replying.

Let me ask you what you would do if some day you hear a knock on your door and open it to find two uniformed officers there telling you that you are under arrest for the crime of being an accessory to murder. Could you walk up to someone you don't know and kill them? Why not? Really. Why not? Is it against your beliefs? Against the Bible? What if someday you, me, every one will be held accountable for all the decisions we made. I'm not talking about the final Judgement day either. What do you think abortion is? No, not the right of some one over their body. Really, what do you think REALLY happens during an abortion? Do you have a strong enough stomach to visualize this? Can you drive by a car accident on the freeway and look at the body parts strewn about without becoming ill feeling? How would you feel to find a babies lifeless body in your garbage can one fine morning? Could you chose which one of your neighbors should die because some one told you that it was your decision to make, and not God's. Or for that matter who was allowed to be born. Remember the Christmas movie "It's a Wonderful Life"? What if George had never been born? What if your mother had never been born? YOU WOULD NOT EXIST! Every person who has ever been concieved was suposed to be concieved, weather on not YOU see the value of their life. Who ARE you to determine someone elses importance? That is not your place or right to make that decision. That right is God's and only God's right. And yet here you are proclaming with rightous indignation that you are going to support for the next President of the United States of America a man who thinks it is his right to be able to make that decision, and has even gone so far as to prevent caregivers from attending to babies who DIDN'T die after the abortion was performed on them. Yes, that is right. Not all aborted babies die from the abortion. What did Jesus say? "Suffer the little children", and not make the little children suffer for your convience, or your want for hiding a discretion. A living human being left to die. Yes, it wasn't wanted by it's MOTHER, but then so are babies given up for adoption. So, you are proud to support this man, and his way of thinking. Am I suposed to respect you for that? Sorry, but I cannot respect someone who would kill the most innocent of our species. If you vote for this man you will be guilty of being an accessory to murder, and for that matter, conspiracy to committ murder. You KNOW I am right. Are you human enough to stand up for the rights of those who can't protect themselves against the monsters of our society? Are you man enough?

Oh, and it is not the woman's body who is having the abortion, it is the babies. Now if the woman wants to have an abortion, that is called SUICIDE. Which, by the way is illegal.

Abortion was never a part of the Constitution, or the amendments. Think of the Founding Fathers and what they fought so hard to give to this budding nation, do you REALLY think they would have believed in killing more Americans!!! In fact life is one of the first liberties granted to us by them, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. No where do they give an age limit. Think about it. Perhaps your own child or grandchild will be depending on your decision.

I'm sorry if this upsets you, but them the light of truth is often blinding. Remember, God IS watching.

Besides I cannot support a man who stated that if this great nation is attacked by the Jihadists, that he would side with them on the side of Allah. Heck he wouldn't even take the oath of office on the Bible, even though he proclames to be a Christion and NOT a Muslim. Strange isn't it. I've never been in one, but I'm sure a conncentration camp is not a pleasant place to live, or die.



Christi

[dcd_enterprises]

Man...he's messing with fire now. He sent this to my Mrs., and he has my pity.

Christi,

First, Abortion is not mentioned in the original text of the Bible anywhere. Second, until recently John McCain voted in favor of a woman's right to choose he only changed to appeal to the Republican base. Third, do the words free will ever enter into your conversations? Fourth abortion wasn't mentioned in the constitution because of the time in which it was written much like the Bible.

Where did Obama say the below mentioned fabricated lie? That has never been said he is has always been and most likely will always be a Christian. He quotes scripture better than you do.

One of the things that puzzles me most is that Daniel and now you make claims but have yet to answer questions that have been posed to you. It is ok to go to start a war based on fabricated evidence? Yes or No?

The abortion issue is one that I'm close to in many ways so I'll say that I have never in my life met anyone who is "pro-abortion". I think the question we should be asking is how we can prevent the unwanted pregnancies that are over 64% of abortions, 32% are for medical reasons of the mother or the fetus the other 4% are listed as other. The current administration has cut funding to every organization that didn't subscribe to an abstinence only educational model which is just not in step with reality. Look at the numbers when education for preventing pregnancy is available, the pregnancy rate goes down. No one is for abortion! Should you want me to look up speeches by both the candidates I can do that but where you are currently standing on this issue is at best archaic.

The country was founded on religious freedom not freedom for Christians. It amazes me that you are using religion in your arguments. General Powell a decorated highly respected US citizen who served his country and a Republican is now under fire because of his interview on Meet the Press. General Powell spoke of a Muslim American mother who was visiting the grave of her son who after 911 at 12 years old decided to serve his country and died on the battle field. Is that boy not an American? General Powell also spoke of the issues facing the country and that he thought John McCain and Barak Obama were both patriotic Americans who loved their country. He unlike you has met face to face with both men on many occasions. I don't think that if you were able to sit across a table from Mr. Obama your opinion or rhetoric would remain the same hateful diatribe.

Saying the "REAL AMERICANS" are voting for McCain is just flat out stupid, yes I said stupid. I am an American first when traveling abroad the happiest day was always when I stepped back onto US soil. My vote has always gone to the person I thought had the best answers the the question of the times based on record, ideals and vision it hasn't had anything to do with party affiliations, George Washington "Father of our Country" said; [While speaking on the subject -- The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish Government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established Government.]

"All obstructions to the execution of the Laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They [political parties] serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation, the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels, and modified by mutual interests.
"However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
[Bold emphasis not in original text.]

It is not very clear how the most famous Founding Father's tenets would fit into today's political parties.
Alexander Hamilton was an extreme anti-federalist [pro-Federalist Party, opposed to de-centralized authority], inclined toward what today is referred to as "the far left." His philosophical bent would fit comfortably within the modern Left political spectrum. He would be best described as "ultra-radical left."
Born in the West Indies, Hamilton came to New York City as a young man and studied politics up close and personal, from the European perspective. He found no problem with the concept of a monarch as long as the king was kind, had a good heart, and was interested only in the welfare of the nation. Hamilton thought his mentor, George Washington, was just right for the job of King of America. He never grasped the reality of human nature that, unlike lower forms of life, humans perform poorly when left without the pressures of accountability.
Toward the other end of the political spectrum of the late 1700s was Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, both of whom believed that central power should be tightly restrained, restricted and controlled. Yet when Jefferson was President, he thankfully departed from those views by using the power of his office for the Louisiana Purchase without any 'controlling legal authority.'
Does the above indicate that Hamilton would have been a liberal Democrat and Jefferson and Madison conservative Republicans (the currently claimed popular public doctrines)? Au contraire! It is impossible to imagine Jefferson or Madison embracing political dogma in support of today's Republican Party stance on prayer in schools, abortion, etc. The notion to keep the federal government OUT of religion and religion out of government was Jefferson's, but he would be appalled to see the federal government interfering with LOCAL decisions on religion or any like subject. On abortion, or women's right of choice, both Jefferson and Madison most likely would take the position to keep the federal government OUT of personal lives, TOTALLY. Again, Jefferson and Madison perceived the central government's role as strictly national defense, international and interstate commerce, treaties, postal system, and the like. EVERYTHING else was a state or local matter.
Hamilton, on the other hand, the 'ultra liberal' thinker of the group, would have had the President decide all of the above, eliminate the state and local governments, let Congress raise the money and shovel it over to the President with few strings attached. Hamilton would have expected HIS President to outlaw abortion, write a 'middle of the road' prayer to be recited in all schools, and require every citizen to own a gun, whether they wanted a gun or not.
Many historians, citing Washington's record as President with Hamilton as his right-hand man, claim that he was a Federalist (Party, although the "Party" wasn't formed until a bit later), placing him in the same category with Hamilton and John Adams. The facts simply do not support such a classification. Washington was four-square against federal involvement in personal lives, yet he did allow Hamilton almost total leeway in establishing a federal financial system because, as the first President, he saw the necessity in a start-up situation of pushing the boundaries. What Washington despised most was the idea of political parties; factions of any kind. He further warned in his Farewell Address; discussing factions between people, between North and South, between states and between nations, "...it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy."
Washington went on to say,

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty."


Washington hated the idea of parties because of people who couldn't go outside of them even if the tenets were wrong.



Maybe you should read a little more, listen a little more and speak a lot less. I've already told Daniel and now you that you'd be better off.

Jay

My Response to him: As for what I can do for our troops now, the best thing I can do is everything in my power to see that Barack Obama gets no where near the oval office.

From CBS News: Not exactly a right wing news source.

Obama Record May Be Gold Mine For Critics
Eight Years As State Senator Were Full Of Controversial Votes, Including Abortion And Gun Control

SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Jan. 17, 2007



(AP) Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama may have a lot of explaining to do.

He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.

-This is sickening and psychotic.-

He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes.

-Heaven forbid you defend yourself in your own home, why, that's criminal!-

And the list of sensitive topics goes on.

With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn't have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes.

Obama — who filed papers this week creating an exploratory committee to seek the 2008 Democratic nomination — may also find himself fielding questions about his actions outside public office, from his acknowledgment of cocaine use in his youth to a more recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business.

-cough, Tony Resco, cough-

Obama was known in the Illinois Capitol as a consistently liberal senator

-That's enough to dissallow my vote-

who reflected the views of voters in his Chicago district. He helped reform the state death penalty system and create tax breaks for the poor while developing a reputation as someone who would work with critics to build consensus.

He had a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives.

-Abortion was left out of the Constitution. Period. It doesn't matter when it was written. There is A CLEAR AND DEFINITIVE PROCESS FOR AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION. THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. THE JUSTICES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO WRITE LAW FROM THE BENCH, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID IN ROE v. WADE. IT IS BAD, UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IT'LL NEVER PASS DOING IT THE LEGAL WAY, AND THE LIBERALS KNOW THAT THEY ARE IN THE MINORITY ON THIS. THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO DO AN ENDRUN AROUND THE CONSTITUTION.-

One vote that especially riled abortion opponents involved restrictions on a type of abortion where the fetus sometimes survives, occasionally for hours. The restrictions, which never became law, included requiring the presence of a second doctor to care for the fetus.

-The vote you say never happened-

"Everyone's going to use this and pound him over the head with it," said Daniel McConchie, vice president and chief of staff for Americans United for Life.

-And I will continue to pound, and pound, and pound. Somebody needs to ask this sick SOB when life began for his daughters. I bet that is an answer that is not above his pay grade.-

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said voters will be able to judge distorted accounts of his votes against his legislative career in general.

"I don't doubt that if you take a series of votes and twist them and kind of squint, you can write a narrative the way you want to write it," Gibbs said. "I think what people understand is that (what matters) is taking the full measure of his career and the full measure of his legislative efforts."

-Oh, yes, taking full measure of his legislative efforts really helps. I hate tax increasing Socialists.-

Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless. Some have even accused him of supporting infanticide.

-Accused him of it? Well, when the shoe fits.-

Obama — who joined several other Democrats in voting "present" in 2001 and "no" the next year — argued the legislation was worded in a way that unconstitutionally threatened a woman's right to abortion by defining the fetus as a child.

-What a concept. It defined a child as a child. Who'd've ever thought this would be a controversial concept.-

"It would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this was a child then this would be an anti-abortion statute," Obama said in the Senate's debate in March 2001.

-If this was a child?! What the HELL DO YOU THINK IT IS YOU ARROGANT ASS?-

During his 2004 run for U.S. Senate, Obama said he supported similar federal legislation that included language clarifying that the measure did not interfere with abortion rights.

-Because we wouldn't want to pass any law against a right that doesn't exist. We're too busy trying to get rid of rights that do exist, like the 'Right to keep and bear arms.'-

Such hot-button issues were the exception in a legislative career that focused more on building consensus to improve the justice system and aid the poor.

Gibbs noted Obama's leadership on legislation requiring police to videotape interrogations in murder cases. It started out as a controversial idea but ended up passing the Senate unanimously.

Allies and opponents alike say he listened to those who disagreed, cooperated with Republicans and incorporated other people's suggestions for improving legislation.

"He was looked upon by members of both parties as someone whose view we listened carefully to," said Republican state Sen. Kirk Dillard from Hinsdale, Ill.

Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

-Idiot anyway. What made him think he had the right to defend himself.-

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.

Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law.

"It's bad politics to be on the wrong side of the Second Amendment come election time," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "It will certainly be talked about. You can take that to the bank."

On the other hand, Obama parted company with gun control advocates when he backed a measure to let retired police officers and military police carry concealed weapons.

Obama occasionally supported higher taxes, joining other Democrats in pushing to raise more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. The increases passed the Senate 30-28.

-Raising more than 300 taxes is 'occasionally.' After all, it's the government's money, we're just lucky they let us have some. And if we get too much Obama will magnanamously take it away and spread the wealth around to those who didn't earn it.-

That's one reason Illinois business groups gave Obama a low rating, while labor groups praised him. But even Obama's allies say he refused to become a rubber stamp for their legislation.

"He always wants to understand an issue and think it through," said Roberta Lynch, deputy director for Council 31 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "You have to make your case no matter who you are."

For six years, Obama served in a Republican-controlled Senate, so he and fellow Democrats only got a fraction of their bills signed into law.

During his last two years, Democrats controlled the chamber and he was the go-to guy on a variety of issues. He helped pass legislation overhauling Illinois' troubled capital punishment system and was a key figure in requiring a massive statewide study of traffic stops to look for signs of racial profiling. Although police groups opposed the legislation, they say Obama listened to their concerns and accepted some of their suggestions to improve the bill.

Even when he was in the political minority, Obama sometimes played a critical role. He helped write one of the rare ethics laws in a state known for government corruption and worked on welfare reform with Republicans.

He sponsored legislation to bar job and housing discrimination against gays, and he helped create a state version of the earned income tax credit for the poor. Obama also led efforts to reject federal rules that would have put workers' overtime checks in jeopardy.

-Earned Income Tax Credit for the poor, in other words, we can give a tax refund to people who don't pay any taxes. After all, we're the government. we can do anything.-


Obama’s state senate votes on some key issues:

BUDGET & TAXES=

# Voted to raise the minimum wage in Illinois from $5.15 an hour to $6.50 an hour over two years. (2003)

-The minimum wage KILLS JOBS every time it is raised.-

# Helped pass a 5 percent earned-income tax credit for low-income working families in 2000; made the credit permanent in 2003.

-Earned Income Tax Credit for the poor, in other words, we can give a tax refund to people who don't pay any taxes. After all, we're the government. we can do anything.-

# Voted to end $300 million worth of tax breaks for businesses. (2004)
# -Businesses are evil, after all.-
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# Voted against making permanent the repeal of the state's 5 percent sales tax on gasoline. (2000)

# -Wouldn't want to make a tax-cut permanent, that just wouldn't be right.-

HEALTH CARE=

# Voted for having Illinois endorse embryonic stem cell research. (2004)

# -Something else the Gov't has no business paying for, but don't let that pesky thing called a Constitution get in the way.

# Successfully sponsored the Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide. (2004)

# -Something else the Gov't has no business paying for, but don't let that pesky thing called a Constitution get in the way.

# Voted against restrictions on public funding of abortion. (2000)

# -Something else the Gov't has no business paying for, but don't let that pesky thing called a Constitution get in the way.

# Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003)

# -Something else the Gov't has no business paying for, but don't let that pesky thing called a Constitution get in the way.

CRIME & GUN CONTROL

# Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004)
# Voted to let retired police and military police carry concealed weapons. (2004)
# Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003)
# Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003)

# -After all, cops are inheirently racist, and the criminals are being picked on.-

# Helped pass an overhaul of the state's troubled death penalty system. (2003)

# -Because it is too hard to figure out that if they are sentenced to death, Shoot them.-

# Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)
# Unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000)
# Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)

MISCELLANEOUS

# Unsuccessfully co-sponsored ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation. The measure became law after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. (2003)
# Successfully sponsored move to shield Illinois workers from federal rules that threatened overtime pay for some employees.
# Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998)
# Voted against giving tax credits to parents who send their children to private school. (1999)

# -Wouldn't want to let parents use their tax dollars to fund private schools, after all, their children may receive an EDUCATION there rather than an endoctrination, and the parents may get the false impression that the tax dollars are theirs, rather than the governments, and we just couldn't have that.-

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Daniel,

Obama's voting record for veterans is better than McCains. Obama ranks higher than McCain as seen by the veterans themselves when they looked at the voting records alone. When you read his voting record as a senator your head line should for right wing pundits, or those who cannot read and interpret the bills voted for and against.

Trying to break down the other side is a last ditch attempt to discredit someone else because you have nothing that connects with voters. You're forgetting I voted for McCain in the primaries but when his campaign turned to the Karl Rove strategy I looked elsewhere. Don't tell me what's wrong with the other guy tell me what's right with your ideas. Use the other candidates view only as a contrast to your own.

Funny how Meet the Press, CBS, ABC, NBC are anti McCain pro left when they say anything against McCain but nothing is said when negatives about Obama are brought forth. Look at the context you're seeing only the line of the bill that you can exploit read the entire bill.

Vote how you want I'm sticking with Obama.
Jay

Daniel,

Be very careful about voting records because McCain hasn't voted with the party except during the Bush administration. You wouldn't like his record on the right to choose either. Check McCains voting record on many issues. It sounds as though you're more of a Palin fan than a McCain fan anyway. I can't for the life of me figure that one out because she just isn't qualified except for the fact that she is born a us citizen and she meets the age requirement. Experience, well lets just say that 55% of republicans now don't think she's qualified so you're in the minority in the party itself.

I would have asked when your next clan meeting was had you said anything against General Colon Powell.

Best of luck
Jay

Well, you've got that right. McCain was my abosolute last choice of candidates on the Republican ticket during the primaries. I voted in the Iowa caucus for Duncan Hunter, even though I was very aware of his chances. I haven't even been lukewarm for the McCain ticket, receiving much scorn from my father when I told him I was going to probably sit this one out. 300,000,000 people in this country, and McCain/Obama are the best choices we have? I am tired of these lesser of two evil elections. That changed when McCain introduced this plain spoken, vibrant young governor from Alaska as his running mate. She is every bit as qualified for the VP slot as Obama is for the President slot. Of the four candidates for Pres and VP, she is the only one with executive experience, no matter the duration. She connects well with average American voters, and that is her strength. She is a kick ass and take names candidate, and she don't care which party she is taking on. I voted for Palin, and that guy she's running with. That's how my, and Christi's vote went.

General Colin Powell endorsed Obama because of RACE. Period. Powell said Obama is a transformational candidate. Well, that's damn right. He seeks to transform this country into the mirror of the Socialist failed European model. I've been looking hard to find the Ultra left-wing inexperienced WHITE guys that Powell has endorsed. Coming up short though.

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Daniel,

Once again you stray so far from truth or fact both would be far over the political horizon you speak of. Powell clearly outlines why Obama was a better fit for the current times than is John McCain.

When you talk of socialist Europe one needs to look no further than Alaska where Sarah Palin created the quintessential socialist program from the oil companies in that each Alaskan citizen gets a monthly check from the oil companies.

Face it you are buying into Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity way too much. Republicans are doing anything to win because the messege they present isn't new, isn't good, isn't right there are losing.

Barak Obama is considered by many in the republican party to be more conservative than is John McCain that isn't something I've created that is a fact. Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld;
I'm sure you'll now discredit him as well but Daniel you're running out of things to say and people to discredit.
Republican former Mass. governor endorses Obama
By Holly Ramer
Associated Press Writer / October 24, 2008
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CONCORD, N.H.—Former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld, a Republican, endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president on Friday, citing the senator's good judgment, "deep sense of calm" and "first-class political temperament."
Weld said he's never endorsed a Democrat for president before, but in the last six weeks or so, it became "close to a no-brainer." Obama has a history of bringing Democrats, Republicans and independents together and is the best choice at a time when America's standing in the world is at a low point, he said.
"It's not often you get a guy with his combination of qualities, chief among which I would say is the deep sense of calm he displays, and I think that's a product of his equally deep intelligence," he said in a phone interview.
He insisted his endorsement was based on an assessment of Obama's strengths, not Republican John McCain's weaknesses.
"John McCain is a very good guy," he said. "I do think the Republican Party has been playing on an increasingly small field in the last couple of elections."
Weld joined other prominent Republicans endorsing Obama over McCain in the campaign's final weeks, including former Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson and Scott McClellan, former press secretary to President Bush.
Weld announced his support at a news conference at Obama's campaign office in Salem. Last year, he came to New Hampshire to campaign for another former Massachusetts governor, Republican Mitt Romney, who ended his bid for the presidential nomination in February.
Weld was governor of Massachusetts from 1991 to 1997. Before that, he was U.S. attorney for Massachusetts under President Reagan and later led the criminal division of the U.S. Justice Department.

Another Reagan Republican voting Obama. Looks as if the air is almost out of your balloon.

Jay

I can't say it any better.

A NE Moderate Republican jumped ship when the Political wind blew the other way? Say it isn't so!

I'm sorry if you cannot even accept the facts when I present them with evidence. Obama supports infanticide. He will populate the Federal Judiciary with Justices who are incapable of reading the Constitution, and instead will look to International Law for American Juristprudence. He saw Moral equivilance between the Georgians and the Russians when Georgia was invaded. It will take two generations to undo the damage he will cause. Only a man with no moral fiber would not be repulsed by the Domestic Terrorist down the block, Williams Ayers. Ayers was the Timothy McVeigh of his day and got off due to prosecutorial misconduct. No man could be a member of a Church, be married in a church, have his children confirmed in a church for 20 years and then not know the kind of firebrand the Reverend is. He is either an Idiot, or a Liar. In either case he has no business near the Oval Office. Your Great-Grandfather would spin in his grave with this kind of RACIST Anti American Drivel coming from behind a pulpit.


McCain for President

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 24, 2008; A19

Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain. I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings.

First, I'll have no truck with the phony case ginned up to rationalize voting for the most liberal and inexperienced presidential nominee in living memory. The "erratic" temperament issue, for example. As if McCain's risky and unsuccessful but in no way irrational attempt to tactically maneuver his way through the economic tsunami that came crashing down a month ago renders unfit for office a man who demonstrated the most admirable equanimity and courage in the face of unimaginable pressures as a prisoner of war, and who later steadily navigated innumerable challenges and setbacks, not the least of which was the collapse of his campaign just a year ago.

McCain the "erratic" is a cheap Obama talking point. The 40-year record testifies to McCain the stalwart.

Nor will I countenance the "dirty campaign" pretense. The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed that McCain supports "cutting Social Security benefits in half." And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.

Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who's been cramming on these issues for the past year, who's never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of "a world that stands as one"), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as "the tragedy of 9/11," a term more appropriate for a bus accident?

Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?

There's just no comparison. Obama's own running mate warned this week that Obama's youth and inexperience will invite a crisis -- indeed a crisis "generated" precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on Nov. 4 to invite that test?

And how will he pass it? Well, how has he fared on the only two significant foreign policy tests he has faced since he's been in the Senate? The first was the surge. Obama failed spectacularly. He not only opposed it. He tried to denigrate it, stop it and, finally, deny its success.

The second test was Georgia, to which Obama responded instinctively with evenhanded moral equivalence, urging restraint on both sides. McCain did not have to consult his advisers to instantly identify the aggressor.

Today's economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb.