Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... - The Firearms Forum

Luis Fernando · 10-26-2008, 03:37 AM

Hi to all
Please help me with this
I have a Walther PPK cal 7.65 .....Carl Walther....Wattenfabrik...ULM
Nickel,off white grips,finger rest off white....has a EAGLE over the "N"
on slide and barrel.
Serial # 400468K
Please tell me about manufacture date and value.
Thanks
Luis Fernando

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wonderwhippet · 10-26-2008, 11:55 AM

Your PPK is not nickel plated, but has a special bonded brushed chrome finish which Walther called "Durgarde." It is of postwar German manufacture prior to 1968, probably around 1965, but I can't pin it down any more exactly than that. If NIB it would be worth in the neighborhood of $700. Otherwise, you would knock perhaps $75 off that figure. The 7.65 is the least valuable of the available calibers. In .380 you could add at least another $200, and in .22 at least $400.

Luis Fernando · 10-28-2008, 10:23 AM

Sorry my mistake ( ULM)
Logo Walther,Waffenfrabrik Zella Mehlis (Thur)
Walther Patent Cal 7,65 m/m Mod PPK
Luis

wonderwhippet · 10-28-2008, 07:42 PM

Had I known it was Zella Mehlis marked I would have dated the pistol around 1943. It's a "Verchromt" finish made for the civilian market and worth around $2000.

Luis Fernando · 10-28-2008, 09:42 PM

To senior member Wonderwhippet

I appreciate your help.
Thanks
Luis Fernando

Milspec78 · 11-08-2008, 10:06 AM

Some controversy on this one. Yes, a Naz-era Walther PPK "Verchromt" is indeed a rare beast. Only about 200 or so were made in 1943-44 timeframe following the Waffenamt's permisssion for Walther to resume commercial production (Whittington Vol3). They're highly collectable pistols...wish I had a few myself...

Regarding this particular pistol...the 400468K serial number with E/N proof and milled frame are correct for a late Nazi-era Walther PPK. It also appears to have an ultrachrome (silver-parkerized) finish with white factory Walther grips & magazine extention.

My question is whether this is an authentic Walther PPK "Verchromt"...or a nice Nazi-era PPK with a re-finish and new grips? There are lots of "restorations" and "replicas" out there. Nothing wrong with that...refinished PPK's are still nice guns...

Some hi-res multi-angle photos of the entire pistol, grips, and magazine would be a big help in resolving the issue. Call me a skeptic...but I'd need a closer look before I'd call this PPK a "Verchromt"...or value it at $2K...

Milspec

Luis Fernando · 11-09-2008, 02:08 AM

To
Milspec78

Please go to:http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...03886237BluEuL
I hope you enjoy the pics

Regards
Luis Fernando

Milspec78 · 11-09-2008, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis Fernando

To
Milspec78

Please go to:http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...03886237BluEuL
I hope you enjoy the pics

Regards
Luis Fernando

Thanks Luis...you have a very nice little Wartime PPK...nice collection too!

Milspec

Bill DeShivs · 11-10-2008, 12:06 AM

I would say the finish is original, not aftermarket.

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 09:25 AM

1944 pp verchromt

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 09:28 AM

additional pic pp verchromt

wonderwhippet · 08-08-2010, 03:51 PM

Schooner, are you implying that your waffenampted PP has an original verchromt finish?

SSMN · 08-08-2010, 05:42 PM

The PPK is not factory Verchromt. Plating was applied over pitting visible behind the trigger in your first photo. Grips also are not original to the gun.
David

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 06:18 PM

gentleman , are you implying that the finish on this gun is any different than that on luis fernandos gun . please look closely at the hard edge proofing on slide and ejection port .i also own no less than twenty variations of pps and ppks . two satin finish verchromts , pp ultrachromes ,early ppks,an allach factory ss marked pp, and a holster collection to drool over ,also numerous party leader and generals belts , i think you should have a powow with others and then weigh in.

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 06:33 PM

luis has sent better pics of his gun and i will post to forum, where are deiter or rankin to view this forum ?

SSMN · 08-08-2010, 07:10 PM

RE: The PP...I don't think that the military accepted plated or verchromt guns.

Jim K · 08-08-2010, 07:11 PM

Always take a look at the inside of "ivory" grips on any questionable pistols. Quite a few bear the trademark of that good old German firm from Chicago, Franzite.

Also, I might bet a bent Reichsmark that the WaA didn't accept chrome plated pistols.

Jim

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 07:13 PM

im glad that members are active and vocal , this makes for good discussion and banter , this is what gun collecting is all about , thank- you . freedom of speech is what makes us the great democracy that we can be again , hoorah.

SSMN · 08-08-2010, 07:14 PM

Don't need to look inside. They're two piece grips.

SSMN · 08-08-2010, 07:24 PM

what's an "allach factory SS marked PP"?

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 07:38 PM

many people believe that vets coming back from ww2 had these guns taken to the bumper shop and had them chrome plated , not so , in truth they didnt have a pot to pXss in and a window to throw it out of. proud to be the son of a decorated ww2 vet

Bill DeShivs · 08-08-2010, 07:41 PM

I don't know much about Walthers, but I do know a little about plating. Electrolytic nickel and chrome don't plate well in holes. The pictures show great plating coverage in the recesses. This, and the yellow tint make me think the finish on the PPK is electroless nickel. The finish is also a coarser sandblast finish than the pictured PP.

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 07:46 PM

i have a gun and holster that are serial no with the allach factory double rune logos, these guns were no to factory ss guards for the making of himmlers fanciful pottery and the 1936 olympics , the factory which produced beautiful pottery , sadly and unfortunately, used slave labor and was in direct proximity to the dachau camp

SSMN · 08-08-2010, 07:52 PM

So allach is the name of a pottery factory and the PP has "factory double rune logos"? Sounds neat. Do you have a photo to post?

schooner.207 · 08-08-2010, 08:00 PM

bill , i have a nickel plated ppk and the finish is different, this gun has a tougher finish ,its mag also has the same look, every part inside shows the quality details as the exterior. the proofs are crisp and the serial no are hard stamped and i think these would have been filled in during the plating process , also to nickel a gun the process to apply a lasting finish requires copper, in short supply after ww2 . quick note , gun has a hard dull finish

10-26-2008, 03:37 AM	#1
Luis Fernando V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal,Quebec CANADA Posts: 173	Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Hi to all Please help me with this I have a Walther PPK cal 7.65 .....Carl Walther....Wattenfabrik...ULM Nickel,off white grips,finger rest off white....has a EAGLE over the "N" on slide and barrel. Serial # 400468K Please tell me about manufacture date and value. Thanks Luis Fernando [IMG]http:[/IMG] [IMG]http:[/IMG] --> Last edited by Luis Fernando; 11-27-2009 at 01:58 PM..

10-26-2008, 11:55 AM	#2
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,585	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Your PPK is not nickel plated, but has a special bonded brushed chrome finish which Walther called "Durgarde." It is of postwar German manufacture prior to 1968, probably around 1965, but I can't pin it down any more exactly than that. If NIB it would be worth in the neighborhood of $700. Otherwise, you would knock perhaps $75 off that figure. The 7.65 is the least valuable of the available calibers. In .380 you could add at least another $200, and in .22 at least $400.

10-28-2008, 10:23 AM	#3
Luis Fernando V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal,Quebec CANADA Posts: 173	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Sorry my mistake ( ULM) Logo Walther,Waffenfrabrik Zella Mehlis (Thur) Walther Patent Cal 7,65 m/m Mod PPK Luis

10-28-2008, 07:42 PM	#4
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,585	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Had I known it was Zella Mehlis marked I would have dated the pistol around 1943. It's a "Verchromt" finish made for the civilian market and worth around $2000.

10-28-2008, 09:42 PM	#5
Luis Fernando V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal,Quebec CANADA Posts: 173	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... To senior member Wonderwhippet I appreciate your help. Thanks Luis Fernando

11-08-2008, 10:06 AM	#6
Milspec78 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 8	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Some controversy on this one. Yes, a Naz-era Walther PPK "Verchromt" is indeed a rare beast. Only about 200 or so were made in 1943-44 timeframe following the Waffenamt's permisssion for Walther to resume commercial production (Whittington Vol3). They're highly collectable pistols...wish I had a few myself... Regarding this particular pistol...the 400468K serial number with E/N proof and milled frame are correct for a late Nazi-era Walther PPK. It also appears to have an ultrachrome (silver-parkerized) finish with white factory Walther grips & magazine extention. My question is whether this is an authentic Walther PPK "Verchromt"...or a nice Nazi-era PPK with a re-finish and new grips? There are lots of "restorations" and "replicas" out there. Nothing wrong with that...refinished PPK's are still nice guns... Some hi-res multi-angle photos of the entire pistol, grips, and magazine would be a big help in resolving the issue. Call me a skeptic...but I'd need a closer look before I'd call this PPK a "Verchromt"...or value it at $2K... Milspec

11-09-2008, 02:08 AM	#7
Luis Fernando V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal,Quebec CANADA Posts: 173	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... To Milspec78 Please go to:http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...03886237BluEuL I hope you enjoy the pics Regards Luis Fernando

11-10-2008, 12:06 AM	#9
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,470	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... I would say the finish is original, not aftermarket. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

08-08-2010, 09:25 AM	#10
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... 1944 pp verchromt Attached Images

08-08-2010, 09:28 AM	#11
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... additional pic pp verchromt Attached Images

08-08-2010, 03:51 PM	#12
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,585	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Schooner, are you implying that your waffenampted PP has an original verchromt finish?

08-08-2010, 05:42 PM	#13
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... The PPK is not factory Verchromt. Plating was applied over pitting visible behind the trigger in your first photo. Grips also are not original to the gun. David Last edited by SSMN; 08-08-2010 at 08:01 PM..

08-08-2010, 06:18 PM	#14
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... gentleman , are you implying that the finish on this gun is any different than that on luis fernandos gun . please look closely at the hard edge proofing on slide and ejection port .i also own no less than twenty variations of pps and ppks . two satin finish verchromts , pp ultrachromes ,early ppks,an allach factory ss marked pp, and a holster collection to drool over ,also numerous party leader and generals belts , i think you should have a powow with others and then weigh in.

08-08-2010, 06:33 PM	#15
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... luis has sent better pics of his gun and i will post to forum, where are deiter or rankin to view this forum ?

08-08-2010, 07:10 PM	#16
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... RE: The PP...I don't think that the military accepted plated or verchromt guns.

08-08-2010, 07:11 PM	#17
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Always take a look at the inside of "ivory" grips on any questionable pistols. Quite a few bear the trademark of that good old German firm from Chicago, Franzite. Also, I might bet a bent Reichsmark that the WaA didn't accept chrome plated pistols. Jim Last edited by Jim K; 08-08-2010 at 07:12 PM..

08-08-2010, 07:13 PM	#18
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... im glad that members are active and vocal , this makes for good discussion and banter , this is what gun collecting is all about , thank- you . freedom of speech is what makes us the great democracy that we can be again , hoorah. Last edited by schooner.207; 08-08-2010 at 07:16 PM..

08-08-2010, 07:14 PM	#19
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... Don't need to look inside. They're two piece grips.

08-08-2010, 07:24 PM	#20
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... what's an "allach factory SS marked PP"?

08-08-2010, 07:38 PM	#21
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... many people believe that vets coming back from ww2 had these guns taken to the bumper shop and had them chrome plated , not so , in truth they didnt have a pot to pXss in and a window to throw it out of. proud to be the son of a decorated ww2 vet

08-08-2010, 07:41 PM	#22
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,470	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... I don't know much about Walthers, but I do know a little about plating. Electrolytic nickel and chrome don't plate well in holes. The pictures show great plating coverage in the recesses. This, and the yellow tint make me think the finish on the PPK is electroless nickel. The finish is also a coarser sandblast finish than the pictured PP. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

08-08-2010, 07:46 PM	#23
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... i have a gun and holster that are serial no with the allach factory double rune logos, these guns were no to factory ss guards for the making of himmlers fanciful pottery and the 1936 olympics , the factory which produced beautiful pottery , sadly and unfortunately, used slave labor and was in direct proximity to the dachau camp

08-08-2010, 07:52 PM	#24
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... So allach is the name of a pottery factory and the PP has "factory double rune logos"? Sounds neat. Do you have a photo to post?

08-08-2010, 08:00 PM	#25
schooner.207 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: maine Posts: 50	Re: Walther PPK cal 7.65...... Nickel ,White grips and finger rest...... bill , i have a nickel plated ppk and the finish is different, this gun has a tougher finish ,its mag also has the same look, every part inside shows the quality details as the exterior. the proofs are crisp and the serial no are hard stamped and i think these would have been filled in during the plating process , also to nickel a gun the process to apply a lasting finish requires copper, in short supply after ww2 . quick note , gun has a hard dull finish