Exceptions on Gun Bans? - The Firearms Forum

Vladimir · 10-29-2008, 07:18 PM

One of the most alarming facts to me isn't that the government is always trying to ban guns... but that I have yet to see one that includes exceptions. Even in countries where weapons are tightly controlled with proper permits it seems like you have a reasonable (albiet limited and expensive) selection...

None of our proposed gun bans seem to include that.

It seems like on guns most countries tend to be in the center, we are on the right, but trying to jump clear to the left.

Is this a proper observation?

GMFWoodchuck · 10-29-2008, 10:58 PM

I'm not sure but the counties with the exceptions might be those that mandate most of the populace into the service such as Israel and Switerland. That might be the difference. I don't really know, or this a case of the rich running the governments.

Vladimir · 10-29-2008, 11:03 PM

Well if the federal law doesn't allow for any excepetions (such as permits) then the states aren't going to be able to allow it, without a messy court battle.

SaddleSarge · 10-30-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Well if the federal law doesn't allow for any excepetions (such as permits) then the states aren't going to be able to allow it, without a messy court battle.

That issue reared it's ugly head in 1861. it generally gets mired down in the slavery issue, of which was a small part, but mainly evolved around states rights vs being told what to do by the federal government.

millwright · 11-02-2008, 05:10 PM

Check the FBI website......Recent 5-year study shows NO CRIMINAL was ever deterred by a gun law - by their own admission !! Likewise perps involved in LEO shootings not only had a life-long familarity with guns - they practiced at least twice as often as their vics, ( 24+ hrs/yr vs 14 for LEOS !!! >MW

Vladimir · 11-03-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by millwright

Check the FBI website......Recent 5-year study shows NO CRIMINAL was ever deterred by a gun law - by their own admission !! Likewise perps involved in LEO shootings not only had a life-long familarity with guns - they practiced at least twice as often as their vics, ( 24+ hrs/yr vs 14 for LEOS !!! >MW

Okay obviously not going to argue with you but think about that... if a criminal was deterred by gun laws then he isn't sitting in a cell being interviewed by the FBI. If this is a real 5-year study it is just more great proof of completely meaningless waste of federal financial capital.

Silver Fox · 11-03-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by millwright
Check the FBI website......Recent 5-year study shows NO CRIMINAL was ever deterred by a gun law - by their own admission !! Likewise perps involved in LEO shootings not only had a life-long familarity with guns - they practiced at least twice as often as their vics, ( 24+ hrs/yr vs 14 for LEOS !!! >MW

The above statement is absolutely TRUE!

Gun permits restrictions, gun bans affect law abiding citizens. they do not affect criminals! Criminals could care less about laws.

redhart · 11-03-2008, 05:51 PM

In massachussetts,and washington state there is a push to ban lead ammo,that is another way to get to us, no ammo the guns are useless.

10-29-2008, 07:18 PM	#1
Vladimir Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Issaquah WA Posts: 3,558	Exceptions on Gun Bans? One of the most alarming facts to me isn't that the government is always trying to ban guns... but that I have yet to see one that includes exceptions. Even in countries where weapons are tightly controlled with proper permits it seems like you have a reasonable (albiet limited and expensive) selection... None of our proposed gun bans seem to include that. It seems like on guns most countries tend to be in the center, we are on the right, but trying to jump clear to the left. Is this a proper observation? __________________ -JVRR меня зовут Владимир или Джеймс. Я знаю только немного русский язык (я американец, но мой пра дедушка русски). STEAM (CSS, TF2, etc): Ask me! Xbox LIVE! GT: "Vlad is Rad" PS3 PSN: "Vlad_Is_Rad" -->

10-29-2008, 10:58 PM	#2
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: Exceptions on Gun Bans? I'm not sure but the counties with the exceptions might be those that mandate most of the populace into the service such as Israel and Switerland. That might be the difference. I don't really know, or this a case of the rich running the governments.

10-29-2008, 11:03 PM	#3
Vladimir Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Issaquah WA Posts: 3,558	Re: Exceptions on Gun Bans? Well if the federal law doesn't allow for any excepetions (such as permits) then the states aren't going to be able to allow it, without a messy court battle. __________________ -JVRR меня зовут Владимир или Джеймс. Я знаю только немного русский язык (я американец, но мой пра дедушка русски). STEAM (CSS, TF2, etc): Ask me! Xbox LIVE! GT: "Vlad is Rad" PS3 PSN: "Vlad_Is_Rad"

11-02-2008, 05:10 PM	#5
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,440	Re: Exceptions on Gun Bans? Check the FBI website......Recent 5-year study shows NO CRIMINAL was ever deterred by a gun law - by their own admission !! Likewise perps involved in LEO shootings not only had a life-long familarity with guns - they practiced at least twice as often as their vics, ( 24+ hrs/yr vs 14 for LEOS !!! >MW

11-03-2008, 01:01 PM	#7
Silver Fox Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Crossroads Of The World Posts: 7	Re: Exceptions on Gun Bans? Quote: Originally Posted by millwright Check the FBI website......Recent 5-year study shows NO CRIMINAL was ever deterred by a gun law - by their own admission !! Likewise perps involved in LEO shootings not only had a life-long familarity with guns - they practiced at least twice as often as their vics, ( 24+ hrs/yr vs 14 for LEOS !!! >MW The above statement is absolutely TRUE! Gun permits restrictions, gun bans affect law abiding citizens. they do not affect criminals! Criminals could care less about laws. Last edited by Silver Fox; 11-03-2008 at 01:05 PM..

11-03-2008, 05:51 PM	#8
redhart V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: east coast Posts: 83	Re: Exceptions on Gun Bans? In massachussetts,and washington state there is a push to ban lead ammo,that is another way to get to us, no ammo the guns are useless.