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Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details. A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the office of President..." What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almost inconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy his original birth certificate. Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and casts their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari. The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature. The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify. Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship: · The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship; · The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship; · The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen; · The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president. · The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth." · The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public; Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.
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Don, thank you for the update.
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I also thank you! Watching, and waiting with anticipation. Guestion? If it turns out that BO is not eligible for the Presidancy, will Biden become Presidnet? If so, does he get to pick his VP? I am assuming that this will all take place before Dec. 15, is that right?
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Here's another update from 11/26/08 -
he's requesting us to write letters and mail them overnight today to the supreme court... http://video.aol.com/video-detail/be...id=VIDURVNWS10
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I'm beginning to think there really is something to this allegation, mostly because Obama could long ago have resolved the problem simply by producing his birth certificate and other evidence of his birth. He has steadfastly declined do that. Unfortunately, I also think this case will never really see the light of day. It will be quietly swept under the rug, probably dismissed on some legal technicality.
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Well "shucky durn".....
Let the riots commence ...
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I just found this video about what would happen if Obama gets tossed out. Supposedly it would go to McCain/Palen.
(after all the riots and crap that will most certainly happen) In other words...it will be a real mess....as we all predicted in some other threads... http://video.aol.com/video-detail/be...ate/3500369927
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Why hasn't he already if there is nothing to hide? Is this just a mind game to make those that ask constitutional questions look like they have tin foil hats on? Or does he think that his lap dogs in the media just make this one go away again?
Pistol, watch this one again. Then ask yourself, "Why?" [FONT='Georgia','serif']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs [/FONT]
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Now I am not going to get my hopes up but does anyone know if this has any validity? I looked at the Supreme ruling and it looks to me as if Souter just denied the claimants request. Somebody enlighten this old sailor. Hush Al comment from the peanut gallery not required
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According to Snopes.com some of it is not.
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Just for information Snoops.com is owned and operated by a very ardent Obama supporter. Beware your info from there. Truthor fiction is another fact finding location. I still haven't been able to verify anything on this.
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Let me know.... the one I posted above seems to be the latest news about the suit.... Lori
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I can see the T-Shirts now..... where's YOUR birth certificate, huh? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() mike gn
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This link is a short interview with Mr. Berg, when he first filed the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs This is the case Mr. Berg submitted. http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/All relevant documents are available in the bottom portion of the page and #1 is the actual case. This is a speculative Obama timeline. [FONT='Georgia','serif']http://colony14.net/id41.html Here is a list of lawsuits against Obama, all for the same reason. [FONT='Georgia','serif']http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80928 [/FONT][/FONT]
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If you were to ask me I would have to say that it is all wishful thinking on someones part. G Bush is still in charge of the FBI and the CIA don't you think that he would have checked this out by now. What about the McCain camp, would they have jumped on it.
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This whole matter is such a mess....if they let him become President, he has succeeded in total Fraud of the Nation...
If they find him guilty of fraud, the nation will fall apart in a very bad way.... Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/11/...illegal-alien/ There are two cases in the supreme court about this case and other's pending in various states. Also Alan Keyes has filed suit http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/elect.../34587804.html There are arguments growing in many places... http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/elections/ and http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=134 and http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=124 and the list goes on and on and on.... sigh ![]()
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As we all know history repeats itself. Conditions are such in this country and around the world that this is exactly the same sistuation in how Hilter came to power. He told people what they wanted to hear. May God help us all.
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Thanks for the update Don. It makes me want to go celebrate that the case may even be heard. I have a very bad feeling about what will happen upon the presentation of the official birth certificate. Obama has only submitted a Certificate of Live Birth, which Hawaii at one time would produce for anyone from any country, given a birth certificate from that country... There are a lot of skeptics and lots of theories on what is truly going on.
I think that riots in the streets are a very believable happening if Obama is ruled ineligible for the POTUS office. The Snopes.com article only addresses one aspect of the Obama birth certificate fiasco. I've seen people quote it before. There are far more aspects, as referenced above that are still in question. |
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Don, please consider linking your sources... It's EASY.
I haven't been able to find the source article yet... I assumed that the link in your post was a link to the story but it is not. From a previous thread... Quote:
Now, I'm still skeptical of the thread as you provided NO SOURCE to the information. Can you go back and provide a source given the information provided on how to do so? I'd like to share the story but can find nothing but blog chatter, and can't find the whole story anywhere. Last edited by ponycar17; 11-30-2008 at 02:32 PM.. |
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There is a lot of saber rattling going on right now but not even the supreme court would not dare tell Obama that he can not hold the office if they are right and he is not US born.There would be a civil war like never seen anyplace else in the world.
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Thankyou for this info Don.. Guess it means there's still hope and praying might do some good. Then again, if he were to be disqualified, all hell would break loose.
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Lori you are dead on with your statement!!!!! The aftermath would be terible.
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