guns in bad light - The Firearms Forum

fedupdon · 12-18-2008, 10:39 AM

Dear Members, The attack on our rights continues...please read and cooperate with the request. http://kilogulf59.proboards80.com/in...nd&thread=1503 I will post these every time I find one and I ask that you folks do the same. The silent majority can remain silent no longer...thank you. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, NRA Member

fedupdon · 12-18-2008, 10:42 AM

sorry did not post whole email
Dec 2008

National Geographic TV Takes Aim At Your Guns
Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
Springfield, VA 22151
(703)321-8585

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

National Geographic Channel ran a show last night entitled, "Gun In America." According to the program, there are millions of misguided gun owners across the nation. Why? Because your guns are supposedly more likely to harm you than to help you in an emergency.

"As a society, we're totally out of control with weapons," said one Philadelphia cop who was interviewed during the show. "You need to limit access that people have to these type of firearms."

That was the basic thrust of the program. National Geographic recited the usual worn-out factoids that are peddled by the Brady Campaign. It only cited anti-gun cops. And for every person who was filmed stating he or she believed in a right to own firearms for self-defense, the program would cite "facts" to prove that such a hope was misplaced.

Gun owners should let the President and CEO of National Geographic know that the channel should stick to showing pictures of kangaroos and foliage -- images that we normally attribute to National Geographic's magazine -- and keep his personal, anti-gun views to his private conversations around the Christmas dinner table.

The National Geographic Channel presents itself as an educational, unbiased alternative. But "Guns in America" was hardly unbiased, as can be seen by the following agenda items that were pushed during the program:

1. "Guns in America" would have you believe that the guns in your home are 22 times more likely to kill a family member than to protect you. This statistic can (surprise, surprise!) be found on the Brady Campaign website, but its source has been highly discredited. The factoid originates with Arthur Kellerman, who has generated multiple studies claiming that guns are a net liability.1 But Kellerman has been found guilty of fudging his data, and even the National Academy of Sciences has stated that his "conclusions do not seem to follow" from his data.2

The truth of the matter is actually quite encouraging for gun owners. Anti-gun researchers for the Clinton Justice Department found that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense, which means that each year, firearms are used more than 50 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.3

Isn't that strange? You would think anti-gunners wouldn't mind citing a study that was commissioned by the Clinton Justice Department! Apparently, the results of the study didn't fit their agenda.

2. "Guns in America" overstates the number of children who die by unintentional gunfire. The program would have viewers believe that a child dies by accidental gunfire, once every two days. But you can only reach that figure if you count violent-prone teens as "children."

In fact, when you look at the statistics involving younger children (ages 0-14), you see that kids have a greater chance of dying from choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that you feed them.4 Hmm, why doesn't National Geographic want to report on those killer peanuts?

3. "Guns in America" portrays twelve times as many negative uses of guns as positive uses -- even though in the real world, the truth is quite the opposite (as guns are used at least 50 times more often to save life than take life). The program does start with a dramatization of a legitimate self-defense story with an actual 911 call playing in the background. But after that, every dramatization is about drive-by-shootings or cops being shot or gang-related warfare.

The lesson for the viewer is: Guns are bad.

4. "Guns in America" only quotes anti-gun "authorities," thus leaving the impression that all law-enforcement support gun control. Never mind the fact that when one looks at polls of the police community, they overwhelmingly hold pro-gun attitudes:

* Should any law-abiding citizen be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self defense? -- 93% of law-enforcement said yes.5

* Do you believe law-abiding citizens should be limited to the purchase of no more than one firearm per month? -- 70.1% of law-enforcement said no.6

* Do you agree that a national concealed handgun permit would reduce rates of violent crime as recent studies in some states have already reflected? -- 68.2% of law-enforcement said yes.7

It's bad enough that a liberal teacher's union controls the education of our kids in the public schools, and that many of them are being brainwashed with politically correct thinking. We don't need supposedly neutral programs like National Geographic peddling the Brady Campaign's favorite factoids to an unsuspecting public.

ACTION: Please contact Tim T. Kelly, the President and CEO of National Geographic Ventures (which includes their television division), and urge him to steer the NatGeo channel away from politics. If the National Geographic Channel can't run a balanced program -- where they use real statistics -- then they just need to stick to filming those cute little animals that helped make their magazine so famous.

You can go to http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/contact to cut-and-paste the sample letter below into their webform. Since you will need to select a Topic, please choose "I have a complaint." And for "Department," we would suggest selecting "Factual Questions" or "General."

---- Pre-written letter ----

Dear Mr. Kelly:

I will think twice before ordering the National Geographic magazine, because I don't want to help you fund any more anti-gun propaganda. Your Explorer show entitled "Guns In America" -- which has run several times this month -- was heavily slanted to the gun control position. The show used fallacious statistics without rebutting them, all in an effort to demonize firearms.

For example, "Guns in America" falsely claimed that guns in the home are 22 times more likely to kill a family member than to serve as protection. That is simply not true. The author of this study, Arthur Kellerman, has been discredited many times (by groups such as the National Academy of Sciences), so it's shameful that your channel would even cite his work.

Second, "Guns in America" overstates the number of children who die by unintentional gunfire. In fact, when you look at the statistics involving younger children (ages 0-14), you see that kids have a greater chance of dying from choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that you feed them. Can I expect to see a show in the near future highlighting the danger of feeding children?

Third, "Guns in America" portrays twelve times as many negative uses of guns as positive uses -- even though in the real world, the truth is quite the opposite. According to statistics from the Clinton Justice Department in 2007, guns are used at least 50 times more often to save life than take life.

Finally, "Guns in America" only quotes anti-gun "authorities," thus leaving the impression that all law-enforcement support gun control. Never mind the fact that when one looks at polls of the police community, they overwhelmingly hold pro-gun attitudes. (Please see the poll results on the website for the National Association of Chiefs of Police.) Why were none of these authorities ever cited?

The National Geographic Society's purpose is "to increase and diffuse geographic knowledge while promoting the conservation of the world's cultural, historical, and natural resources." I would submit to you that pushing gun control is far afield from your stated purpose.

Sincerely,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ENDNOTES:

1 Arthur Kellerman has generated multiple studies that claim gun owners are more likely to be injured by their guns than to use those guns in self-defense. His results range from 3 to 22 to 43 times more likely to be injured by a gun in the home. His methodology has been debunked, however, many times over. (See endnote 2.)

2 See http://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm . Also, see Charles F. Wellford, John Pepper, Carol Petrie, Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review (National Research Council of the National Academies, 2004), p. 118.

3 See http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

4 See "Children Accidental Death Rates (Ages 0-14)," Gun Control Fact Sheet (2004) at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

5 National Association of Chiefs of Police, 20th Annual Survey Results (Survey questions sent to Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs in the United States: 2008).

6 National Association of Chiefs of Police, 15th Annual Survey Results (Survey questions sent to Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs in the United States).

SolidVFR · 12-18-2008, 11:46 AM

Done.

mrkirker · 12-18-2008, 12:05 PM

I recently cancelled a family subscription to N/G that extended back into 1914, because of their consistantly slanted, overly PC, enviornmentally warped, content.

cutter · 12-18-2008, 08:05 PM

Done!!!!!

45nut · 12-19-2008, 10:41 AM

I did it too and added my own commentary above the form letter. Maybe they'll read the first part before round filing it!!

DontCryMrJefferson · 01-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Done.

TranterUK · 01-07-2009, 11:41 PM

I am sadly appalled by the various organisations and individuals these days who take it upon themselves to push opinions well outside of their remit when and as it suits them.
It is disgraceful.

ampaterry · 01-08-2009, 03:49 AM

Done.

I have noted that one of my fovorite shows, "Cops", continues to harp about how dangerous it is for the public to be armed.
Whenever someone is stopped for a minor traffic violation, if they have a gun WITH a CCW, they are treated like a criminal.

But I guess I can understand their attitude.
Look how the crime rates dropped following the huge gun ban in Australia!

Oops - they ROSE instead, just as they have in EVERY country/state/locality that banned private ownership of guns.

That's OK -
NEXT time it will be different.

carver · 01-08-2009, 05:24 AM

Done.

TranterUK · 01-08-2009, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ampaterry

But I guess I can understand their attitude.
Look how the crime rates dropped following the huge gun ban in Australia!

Oops - they ROSE instead, just as they have in EVERY country/state/locality that banned private ownership of guns.

That's OK -
NEXT time it will be different.

Governments say banning guns is to reduce their use in crime. They know they will get public support for trying to reduce armed crime, they also know full well it does not work, so why do it? Why do western Governments today seem to be in such a hurry to disarm their citizens?

mrkirker · 01-08-2009, 06:49 AM

Why do western Governments today seem to be in such a hurry to disarm their citizens?

I'm afraid it is all about CONTROL. While Western governments are avowed enemies of several near-east, middle-east, and far-eastern governments, I strongly suspect that they are quietly envious of those governments total control over their populations.

Control is achieved through a sense of helplessness; enhanced greatly buy those various population’s inability to own effective means of self-defense. It matters not, that in those countries (as in this), military firearms and weapon systems are in large part greatly superior to any that can be legally possessed by an average citizen, the ‘mental frame’ of defenselessness aids in the governing body’s domination of the populace.

TEXAS 1957 · 01-08-2009, 03:35 PM

Done with additional comments. We all need to take note of who supports our firearms rights and who seeks to erode them
NRA Life Member

mrkirker · 01-09-2009, 08:46 AM

. . . . kids have a greater chance of dying from choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that you feed them. Can I expect to see a show in the near future highlighting the danger of feeding children?

A National Geographic Special Report:

Hot Dogs in America - the benign KILLER of America's Youth!
They're in the Fridge, the Lunchbox, the Snackstand . . . WAITING!

"NOT!"

ponycar17 · 01-12-2009, 06:09 PM

It never fails that media outlets will pull this BS. This is why I adamantly urge concerned gun owners to not only join the NRA, GOA or other such organizations but also to be an EXPERT in gun facts. We can't call the other side uneducated on the issues if we are ourselves.

With today's readily available information, you can be a walking statistics journal regarding guns and their use in crime.

If you don't take an interest, it's your fault when you lose your rights to ignorant journalists and mal-intentioned and/or ignorant politicians.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.gunfacts.info
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEW...FBI_Report.PDF
http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/stop0584.pdf

12-18-2008, 10:39 AM	#1
fedupdon V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 307	guns in bad light Dear Members, The attack on our rights continues...please read and cooperate with the request. http://kilogulf59.proboards80.com/in...nd&thread=1503 I will post these every time I find one and I ask that you folks do the same. The silent majority can remain silent no longer...thank you. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, NRA Member -->

12-18-2008, 10:42 AM	#2
fedupdon V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 307	Re: guns in bad light sorry did not post whole email Dec 2008 National Geographic TV Takes Aim At Your Guns Gun Owners of America 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102 Springfield, VA 22151 (703)321-8585 Wednesday, December 17, 2008 National Geographic Channel ran a show last night entitled, "Gun In America." According to the program, there are millions of misguided gun owners across the nation. Why? Because your guns are supposedly more likely to harm you than to help you in an emergency. "As a society, we're totally out of control with weapons," said one Philadelphia cop who was interviewed during the show. "You need to limit access that people have to these type of firearms." That was the basic thrust of the program. National Geographic recited the usual worn-out factoids that are peddled by the Brady Campaign. It only cited anti-gun cops. And for every person who was filmed stating he or she believed in a right to own firearms for self-defense, the program would cite "facts" to prove that such a hope was misplaced. Gun owners should let the President and CEO of National Geographic know that the channel should stick to showing pictures of kangaroos and foliage -- images that we normally attribute to National Geographic's magazine -- and keep his personal, anti-gun views to his private conversations around the Christmas dinner table. The National Geographic Channel presents itself as an educational, unbiased alternative. But "Guns in America" was hardly unbiased, as can be seen by the following agenda items that were pushed during the program: 1. "Guns in America" would have you believe that the guns in your home are 22 times more likely to kill a family member than to protect you. This statistic can (surprise, surprise!) be found on the Brady Campaign website, but its source has been highly discredited. The factoid originates with Arthur Kellerman, who has generated multiple studies claiming that guns are a net liability.1 But Kellerman has been found guilty of fudging his data, and even the National Academy of Sciences has stated that his "conclusions do not seem to follow" from his data.2 The truth of the matter is actually quite encouraging for gun owners. Anti-gun researchers for the Clinton Justice Department found that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense, which means that each year, firearms are used more than 50 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.3 Isn't that strange? You would think anti-gunners wouldn't mind citing a study that was commissioned by the Clinton Justice Department! Apparently, the results of the study didn't fit their agenda. 2. "Guns in America" overstates the number of children who die by unintentional gunfire. The program would have viewers believe that a child dies by accidental gunfire, once every two days. But you can only reach that figure if you count violent-prone teens as "children." In fact, when you look at the statistics involving younger children (ages 0-14), you see that kids have a greater chance of dying from choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that you feed them.4 Hmm, why doesn't National Geographic want to report on those killer peanuts? 3. "Guns in America" portrays twelve times as many negative uses of guns as positive uses -- even though in the real world, the truth is quite the opposite (as guns are used at least 50 times more often to save life than take life). The program does start with a dramatization of a legitimate self-defense story with an actual 911 call playing in the background. But after that, every dramatization is about drive-by-shootings or cops being shot or gang-related warfare. The lesson for the viewer is: Guns are bad. 4. "Guns in America" only quotes anti-gun "authorities," thus leaving the impression that all law-enforcement support gun control. Never mind the fact that when one looks at polls of the police community, they overwhelmingly hold pro-gun attitudes: * Should any law-abiding citizen be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self defense? -- 93% of law-enforcement said yes.5 * Do you believe law-abiding citizens should be limited to the purchase of no more than one firearm per month? -- 70.1% of law-enforcement said no.6 * Do you agree that a national concealed handgun permit would reduce rates of violent crime as recent studies in some states have already reflected? -- 68.2% of law-enforcement said yes.7 It's bad enough that a liberal teacher's union controls the education of our kids in the public schools, and that many of them are being brainwashed with politically correct thinking. We don't need supposedly neutral programs like National Geographic peddling the Brady Campaign's favorite factoids to an unsuspecting public. ACTION: Please contact Tim T. Kelly, the President and CEO of National Geographic Ventures (which includes their television division), and urge him to steer the NatGeo channel away from politics. If the National Geographic Channel can't run a balanced program -- where they use real statistics -- then they just need to stick to filming those cute little animals that helped make their magazine so famous. You can go to http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/contact to cut-and-paste the sample letter below into their webform. Since you will need to select a Topic, please choose "I have a complaint." And for "Department," we would suggest selecting "Factual Questions" or "General." ---- Pre-written letter ---- Dear Mr. Kelly: I will think twice before ordering the National Geographic magazine, because I don't want to help you fund any more anti-gun propaganda. Your Explorer show entitled "Guns In America" -- which has run several times this month -- was heavily slanted to the gun control position. The show used fallacious statistics without rebutting them, all in an effort to demonize firearms. For example, "Guns in America" falsely claimed that guns in the home are 22 times more likely to kill a family member than to serve as protection. That is simply not true. The author of this study, Arthur Kellerman, has been discredited many times (by groups such as the National Academy of Sciences), so it's shameful that your channel would even cite his work. Second, "Guns in America" overstates the number of children who die by unintentional gunfire. In fact, when you look at the statistics involving younger children (ages 0-14), you see that kids have a greater chance of dying from choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that you feed them. Can I expect to see a show in the near future highlighting the danger of feeding children? Third, "Guns in America" portrays twelve times as many negative uses of guns as positive uses -- even though in the real world, the truth is quite the opposite. According to statistics from the Clinton Justice Department in 2007, guns are used at least 50 times more often to save life than take life. Finally, "Guns in America" only quotes anti-gun "authorities," thus leaving the impression that all law-enforcement support gun control. Never mind the fact that when one looks at polls of the police community, they overwhelmingly hold pro-gun attitudes. (Please see the poll results on the website for the National Association of Chiefs of Police.) Why were none of these authorities ever cited? The National Geographic Society's purpose is "to increase and diffuse geographic knowledge while promoting the conservation of the world's cultural, historical, and natural resources." I would submit to you that pushing gun control is far afield from your stated purpose. Sincerely, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENDNOTES: 1 Arthur Kellerman has generated multiple studies that claim gun owners are more likely to be injured by their guns than to use those guns in self-defense. His results range from 3 to 22 to 43 times more likely to be injured by a gun in the home. His methodology has been debunked, however, many times over. (See endnote 2.) 2 See http://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm . Also, see Charles F. Wellford, John Pepper, Carol Petrie, Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review (National Research Council of the National Academies, 2004), p. 118. 3 See http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm 4 See "Children Accidental Death Rates (Ages 0-14)," Gun Control Fact Sheet (2004) at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm 5 National Association of Chiefs of Police, 20th Annual Survey Results (Survey questions sent to Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs in the United States: 2008). 6 National Association of Chiefs of Police, 15th Annual Survey Results (Survey questions sent to Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs in the United States).

12-18-2008, 11:46 AM	#3
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12-18-2008, 12:05 PM	#4
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: guns in bad light I recently cancelled a family subscription to N/G that extended back into 1914, because of their consistantly slanted, overly PC, enviornmentally warped, content. __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

12-18-2008, 08:05 PM	#5
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12-19-2008, 10:41 AM	#6
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,433	Re: guns in bad light I did it too and added my own commentary above the form letter. Maybe they'll read the first part before round filing it!! __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

01-07-2009, 11:29 PM	#7
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01-07-2009, 11:41 PM	#8
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: guns in bad light I am sadly appalled by the various organisations and individuals these days who take it upon themselves to push opinions well outside of their remit when and as it suits them. It is disgraceful. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 01-07-2009 at 11:43 PM..

01-08-2009, 03:49 AM	#9
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,378	Re: guns in bad light Done. I have noted that one of my fovorite shows, "Cops", continues to harp about how dangerous it is for the public to be armed. Whenever someone is stopped for a minor traffic violation, if they have a gun WITH a CCW, they are treated like a criminal. But I guess I can understand their attitude. Look how the crime rates dropped following the huge gun ban in Australia! Oops - they ROSE instead, just as they have in EVERY country/state/locality that banned private ownership of guns. That's OK - NEXT time it will be different. __________________ Reason given by one of Obama's more intellectual supporters when asked why she voted for him: *"He gave me a PHONE!!"*

01-08-2009, 05:24 AM	#10
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01-08-2009, 06:49 AM	#12
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: guns in bad light Why do western Governments today seem to be in such a hurry to disarm their citizens? I'm afraid it is all about CONTROL. While Western governments are avowed enemies of several near-east, middle-east, and far-eastern governments, I strongly suspect that they are quietly envious of those governments total control over their populations. Control is achieved through a sense of helplessness; enhanced greatly buy those various population’s inability to own effective means of self-defense. It matters not, that in those countries (as in this), military firearms and weapon systems are in large part greatly superior to any that can be legally possessed by an average citizen, the ‘mental frame’ of defenselessness aids in the governing body’s domination of the populace. __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

01-08-2009, 03:35 PM	#13
TEXAS 1957 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas forever outside of Waco Posts: 38	Re: guns in bad light Done with additional comments. We all need to take note of who supports our firearms rights and who seeks to erode them NRA Life Member

01-09-2009, 08:46 AM	#14
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: guns in bad light . . . . kids have a greater chance of dying from choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that you feed them. Can I expect to see a show in the near future highlighting the danger of feeding children? A National Geographic Special Report: Hot Dogs in America - the benign KILLER of America's Youth! They're in the Fridge, the Lunchbox, the Snackstand . . . WAITING! "NOT!" __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

01-12-2009, 06:09 PM	#15
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: guns in bad light It never fails that media outlets will pull this BS. This is why I adamantly urge concerned gun owners to not only join the NRA, GOA or other such organizations but also to be an EXPERT in gun facts. We can't call the other side uneducated on the issues if we are ourselves. With today's readily available information, you can be a walking statistics journal regarding guns and their use in crime. If you don't take an interest, it's your fault when you lose your rights to ignorant journalists and mal-intentioned and/or ignorant politicians. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp http://www.gunfacts.info http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEW...FBI_Report.PDF http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/stop0584.pdf Last edited by ponycar17; 01-12-2009 at 06:14 PM..