I am an American

[bizy]

I served 3 1/2 years on the rivers in viet Nam. I'm not saying I agreed with that "WAR", but I served the president's orders. I am now 62 and I will serve this president. I don't agree with many things Obama is saying or doing. I will be writing letters to stop the things I don't agree with, I am still an American protecting my rights to own guns and fight more gun laws.

I am registered independent and, not Rep or Dem. Look at it this way. Buy all the guns you can and watch the price go up. If you do not have a conceal carry lic, you better get it ASAP. When times get really tough, 3 things will always be in demand. Sex, Drugs, Guns. I don't do drugs and my wife says I don't do sex, but, I gotta bunch of guns..

To make a long story short, Just make the best of a bad situation. We got it because a bunch of Republicans crossed party lines and voted for a Democrat. And some democrats crossed party lines because of racial issues. This is already a confusing mess and things are just starting to roll.

This is the American way...

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by bizy

I served 3 1/2 years on the rivers in viet Nam. I'm not saying I agreed with that "WAR", but I served the president's orders. I am now 62 and I will serve this president. I don't agree with many things Obama is saying or doing. I will be writing letters to stop the things I don't agree with, I am still an American protecting my rights to own guns and fight more gun laws.

I am registered independent and, not Rep or Dem. Look at it this way. Buy all the guns you can and watch the price go up. If you do not have a conceal carry lic, you better get it ASAP. When times get really tough, 3 things will always be in demand. Sex, Drugs, Guns. I don't do drugs and my wife says I don't do sex, but, I gotta bunch of guns..

To make a long story short, Just make the best of a bad situation. We got it because a bunch of Republicans crossed party lines and voted for a Democrat. And some democrats crossed party lines because of racial issues. This is already a confusing mess and things are just starting to roll.

This is the American way...

Amen. And thank you for the 3 1/2 years you spent on the rivers. Thank you.

[RunningOnMT]

Welcome home brother. Let me begin by saying I understand where you are coming from. You respect the fact that Barack Hussein Obama because of the majority vote of the citizens of this country is the duly elected president of the United States. I do disagree on the point about "serving" this president.

I too am a Vietnam vet. I took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same. Furthermore I swore to obey all LAWFUL orders of the POTUS and those appointed over me.

No order which is in violation of the constitution is lawful. Barack Obama is on record as favoring policies which would infringe on those constitutional rights. To the extent that he would attempt such infringement I feel no obligation moral or legal to serve this man in any capacity.

Currently I view Barack Obama as an enemy of those principles upon which this country was founded. My expectation is that he will not support the constitution in several regards. It is up to him to prove me wrong.

[new308handloader]

I am also an American and will accept who our new leader is….whether I like it or not….and I will abide by the law. As you said, the proper way to change things is to right letters and vote your conscience. However, was it not the intent of the 2nd Amendment to ensure citizens had the right to self defense AND to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical? At what point is the government considered tyrannical? Is it when they take away one or more of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights? …and when it is considered tyrannical, what are we to do about it?

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by new308handloader

I am also an American and will accept who our new leader is….whether I like it or not….and I will abide by the law. As you said, the proper way to change things is to right letters and vote your conscience. However, was it not the intent of the 2nd Amendment to ensure citizens had the right to self defense AND to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical? At what point is the government considered tyrannical? Is it when they take away one or more of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights? …and when it is considered tyrannical, what are we to do about it?

That's basically my point also. We have a system of government created by our founding fathers and prescribed in the constitution. Our leaders are chosen by a procedure laid out in that constitution. Does not someone who will not faithfully execute his responsibility to uphold the constitution, surrender a claim to office under that constitution? In other words, doesn't he nullify his election by constitutional procedures when he does not support and defend all of it's (the constitutions) provisions?

[bizy]

Don't get me wrong I want to preserve our rights as explained in the "ORIGINAL" constitution. Politicians have butchered our rights and bent it's true meaning. Hopefuly we can hang on to what we have left. No matter how it turns out, I'm gonna keep my guns. We will never loose our human rights of self defense.

To make a long story short, I think we all agree on one thing. "WE THE PEOPLE" no matter our political views, must all pull together as a whole to preserve the American way of life..

John Wayne, Apple Pie and O'le Glory!!

[RunningOnMT]

Absolutely, and as long as the president upholds the constitution, whether I like him or not...He IS the president.

[new308handloader]

[QUOTE=bizy;385023]

To make a long story short, I think we all agree on one thing. "WE THE PEOPLE" no matter our political views, must all pull together as a whole to preserve the American way of life..

Amen!

[Forte]

Thanks for your service to our country

[AL MOUNT]

Originally Posted by bizy

I served 3 1/2 years on the rivers in viet Nam.

For me it was 9 1/2 months in the Jungles & mountains of I Corps.

Welcome home Brother.

[Ed K]

the new presidend should be shown the same respect and treatment that the bush haters have given a REAL PRESIDENT Geo.Bush

[pl1215]

I served in Nam with the 554 Engineer Batalion 67-68 and I am extremely in favor of preserving our constitution and especially the first ten amendments. I wrote a book about what could happen if we gave up many our rights to feel safe from terrorism. I disagree about the right to carry permit though. If everyone gets a permit and guns are banned (God forbid!); they will know exactly where to look to confiscate.

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
- Julius Caesar

[Doug.38PR]

What's an American these days? To our current elites, an American is any warm body from anywhere on the globe. We are the third world flop house or slaves in an economic institution. To say American doesn't really mean anything anymore.

I'm a Southerner. I am a Texan or Louisianian. That is my culture and people and I fight to defend it. Let multiculturalists and socialists in Kalifornia and New York do what they will, I have no regard for them (although they have enough regard for themselves to go around) except to leave them alone to their little world.

Back in the election I said Ron Paul or nothing. To Hell with Obama and To Hell with McCain

[thomas44]

Obama is a Trojan Horse and he's unloading all his socialist buddies in D.C. to begin the destruction of America. I don't "serve" the President, I serve my country in spite of who happens to be in place in the government. I'm sure closing down GTMO will make all the liberals "feel" better, and after all, isn't that what's most important ?

[Teejay9]

There you go again, Doug, painting us all with the same brush. I can't blame you for seeing us all through jaundiced eyes but believe me we're not ALL multi-cultural socialist here. I can't speak for New Yorkers, as they've voted for Hillary and Chuck, but not all Californians are like how you describe us. We've given the country Reagan, and some very pro-gun people. Nearly all of our Reps in Congress are Republicans from So Cal. Northern California is a different story. There's be a movement afoot to separate the state into two.
I don't view Southerners as country bumpkins and hillbillies as they've been portrayed in countless movies, etc.. That would be highly prejudiced and unfair. I have always liked the Southerners I've met. I have relatives from the South.
I, too, voted Ron Paul. That merely turned out to be a wasted vote. Hold up a bit on the blanket statements, OK? I am impressed by your fervor, but not always with your conclusions and generalizations. I never have met anyone who said that they've voted for Clinton OR Obama, and only one who voted for Kerry, so there you go. We are all Americans (with a couple of Brits thrown in), and are like-minded or we wouldn't be here on TFF. TJ

[Hells Toy Master]

Fist off I would like to thank every Person who serves this Nation by fighting the forces of evil, wether they be comunistis in Nam or they be crack heads down the street, bolth are a great service to this nation.

Originally Posted by Doug.38PR

Back in the election I said Ron Paul or nothing. To Hell with Obama and To Hell with McCain

Doug, that is your right and I fully suport your right to do so, but I personaly disagree.

Ron Paul had ALOT of good Ideas but he did not have enough going for him...

Ron Paul suffered the most from the one abiltiy that every Republican canidite has lacked since Reagen.... And thats the ability to speak to the amarican people...

Obama has been able to fake it, .... and the only Person That I have seen that can do so is Palin.

But Im rambling...

Anyways Doug, I belive that somtimes we need to slow the bleeding however we can and I voted for the snake becasue I think he would be marginaly less...

My thoughts,

Kindly

HTM

[bizy]

An American isn't always a U.S. citizen. An American is a mind set that tolerates/accepts people for who or what they are. One who stands up for their country and their beliefs. A person that protects his family and property. And most of all a person that followers the leaders elected by the majority of the citizens.

Last but by no means least, the right to own and carry firearms for the protection of self and property.

[thomas44]

Originally Posted by bizy

An American isn't always a U.S. citizen. An American is a mind set that tolerates/accepts people for who or what they are. One who stands up for their country and their beliefs. A person that protects his family and property. And most of all a person that followers the leaders elected by the majority of the citizens.

Last but by no means least, the right to own and carry firearms for the protection of self and property.

I believe it's a common misconception that politicians are "leaders". They're supposed to be "representatives", or in the case of the President, an executive. I wouldn't "follow" the vast majority of politicians in Washington because in my humble opinion they're a bunch of self-serving snakes in the grass, with a moral compass that changes direction with every poll and focus group. So, I guess I'm not much of an American in your view.

[bizy]

Hey, thomas44.. Please, don't get the wrong idea. You are probably a great American. It is just that we don't have that much of a choice. We just gotta make the best of a bad situation. You are right about politicians being a snake in the grass.. They flip flop all over the place.

Bush 1 - Read My Lips! No New Taxes.
Clinton - I did not have sex with that woman, AND, I didn't inhale.
Bush 2 - Same sex marriage is OK, not OK, is OK.

Flip Floping is the uniform of the day.

At least we can speak our mind on this forum without reprisal, 1st ammendment... Most of us own and/or carry guns, 2nd ammendment.

[Doug.38PR]

Originally Posted by Teejay9

There you go again, Doug, painting us all with the same brush. I can't blame you for seeing us all through jaundiced eyes but believe me we're not ALL multi-cultural socialist here. I can't speak for New Yorkers, as they've voted for Hillary and Chuck, but not all Californians are like how you describe us. We've given the country Reagan, and some very pro-gun people. Nearly all of our Reps in Congress are Republicans from So Cal. Northern California is a different story. There's be a movement afoot to separate the state into two.
I don't view Southerners as country bumpkins and hillbillies as they've been portrayed in countless movies, etc.. That would be highly prejudiced and unfair. I have always liked the Southerners I've met. I have relatives from the South.
I, too, voted Ron Paul. That merely turned out to be a wasted vote. Hold up a bit on the blanket statements, OK? I am impressed by your fervor, but not always with your conclusions and generalizations. I never have met anyone who said that they've voted for Clinton OR Obama, and only one who voted for Kerry, so there you go. We are all Americans (with a couple of Brits thrown in), and are like-minded or we wouldn't be here on TFF. TJ

I don't mean everybody in Kalifornia is a socialist multiculturalist queer. I NEVER said that. Lots of people in said places are true Americans. Unfortunatly, they are few and far between enough that the majority of the state is run by the above said undesirable tyrants. They keep getting elected by somebody. Just because good people live in occupied territory doesn't mean that the rest of us in more American states have to suffer being in the same nation under the same imperial umbrella and it's unjust laws.


Hells Toy Master,
1) Ron Paul had a lot going for him, it was the media and republican leadership that purposefully obscured him and ridiculed him and...I think ran McCain to the front of the line ahead of Paul by rigging state electoral colleges. You will never convince me that Ron Paul who won each news dabate ahead of everybody else wasn't didn't have what it takes and John McCain who was at the bottom in the debates was the prefered by the American people. 2) The fact that we supposedly need an actor that looks good on camera to make Americans "feel good" in order to get anything done says just how far we have fallen as people. It's all about charisma. BUT, in all honesty, Ron Paul came across well to me. He explained his positions well, he came across as non-egotistical (he wasn't in this for himself but rather for the cause) unlike the others and came across as an honest down to earth fellow.

[Teejay9]

Doug, I accept your explanation, and agree up to a point. It is, after all, the Left Coast, and the home of some Very misguided people. I would like a list of the "more American States" as you put it. Maybe someday I'll be relocated and I'll want to move to a good spot. TJ

[new308handloader]

Originally Posted by Doug.38PR

Back in the election I said Ron Paul or nothing. To Hell with Obama and To Hell with McCain

Ron did have some good ideas....and if just prior to voting time he had enough support to have been competitive in the race then I may have voted for him. A week before the election I had a Ron Paul worker call me and ask me to vote for him...this was my response
"At this time Ron as absolutely no chance of winning...it is currently between Obama and McCain....and Obama is now slightly ahead. A vote for Ron would not only be a wasted vote, but it might as well be a vote for Obama. Instead of calling me and asking me to vote for Ron, please call all of your supporters and ask them to vote for McCain. Ron sides more with McCain than with Obama and by asking the supporters to vote for him at this point is going to hurt the country".
...and obviously it did....I have to wonder if the outcome would have been different if all that voted for Ron had voted for McCain.

[new308handloader]

Originally Posted by bizy

No matter how it turns out, I'm gonna keep my guns.

I'm with you bizy...this is how I feel. I'm not sure what it is going to take to keep them, but as long as I'm alive I will keep them.
I believe the intent of the 2nd Ammendment was to ensure the people had the right of self defense AND to prevent the government from becoming tyranical.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by new308handloader

....I have to wonder if the outcome would have been different if all that voted for Ron had voted for McCain.

You're still so negative. How about this: "I have to wonder how the outcome would have been different if all that voted for McCain had voted for Ron."

Now that's something that we would have been able to smile about.

[new308handloader]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

You're still so negative. How about this: "I have to wonder how the outcome would have been different if all that voted for McCain had voted for Ron."

Now that's something that we would have been able to smile about.

You are right...I can be open minded and look at it that way. I think everyone on TFF believes we would be better off (as far as 2nd Ammendment rights) if McCain or Ron Paul had won instead of Obama. But, what's done is done.