kel-tec

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Old Guy

I have done a lot of looking and research and a PF9 will be my next purchase. Keltec is an innovative American company that I feel deserves more of a look than we have given them.

Ditto here.

Key phrase here folks: innovative AMERICAN company.

Everyone should go out and buy one today (after reading so much of the sentiment here), just on that principle ALONE.

[polishshooter]

Every time I pick up a Kel Tec pistol or rifle contemplating buying it, I keep thinking "Mossberg...."

Now I have fired MANY Mossberg shotguns, and they all WORK, sometimes I shoot them better than what I have...and I KNOW they were and are great guns, especially for the price....and I even remember a buddy's Mossberg slug gun that shot slugs at 100 yds as good as my '97 does....

But for some inexplicable reason I just don't like them, and I have NEVER owned one....just SOMETHING about them make me prefer Remingtons and Winchesters, and even Savage/Stevens for my shotguns....


Maybe someday I WILL buy a Kel tec if I have the need for a .32 acp or a .380....and was considering one for my wife until I got her a revolver which she prefers and doesn't have to pull back any slide....

But until then I will stick with my Makarov as my little carry gun....

[Double Deuce]

I am interested in the PMR30 handgun, I just bought a Kel tec RFB and will be getting the KSG once it is out this fall. Will be selling my mossberg to get it.

[Brisk44]

Bravo I have the LCP and like it just fine. It's a double action pistol so the trigger pull seems alittle long but thats just the way d.a. pistols are. Plenty accurate enough. I would buy the LC9 but it's just a little to big to fit concealed in my back pocket. Your uncle should love his.

[rhmc24]

I just traded in my PF9 for a Ruger LC9. Couldn't accept the horrendous trigger pull of the PF9. In the first 50 rounds it had three hangups, one failure to feed, failure to go to battery and a stove pipe. I can't see buying a gun that has to be broken it to do what it is sold to do - or one that won't handle common ammo. At least the Ruger has a smooth trigger, altho long like KT.

OTOH my P3AT seems OK. Had it sent back to KT for failure to go to battery. Came back saying "replaced internal part". Gun is kind of on probation till I get more rounds thru it.

[tonygrz]

Sorry about being a late comer to this topic. I have had the 32, 380 and the P-11 9mm. I carried the 32 for about a year. About a month ago, I went to the range to test my NEW 380 and 9MM. I also took my 32. I started with the 32. Fired the first shot and then had a FTF. Work it out and then tried again. I had a FTF at least once in every magazine. Put that one aside and tried the new 380. With every magazine, the third round was a FTF. Just the third round. Put that one aside and tried the P-11 9MM. I had at least one FTF or double feed at least once in every magazine. All the guns were cleaned before taking to the range. Outcome............sold all three at the next gun show and made a profit. Now I carry a S&W airweight 38. When I pull the trigger it goes bang and if it doesn't, I just pull the trigger again. Problem solved.

Tony

[graehaven]

Ordered a PF9 today. Wooot!

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by polishshooter

Every time I pick up a Kel Tec pistol or rifle contemplating buying it, I keep thinking "Mossberg...."

Now I have fired MANY Mossberg shotguns, and they all WORK, sometimes I shoot them better than what I have...and I KNOW they were and are great guns, especially for the price....and I even remember a buddy's Mossberg slug gun that shot slugs at 100 yds as good as my '97 does....

But for some inexplicable reason I just don't like them, and I have NEVER owned one....just SOMETHING about them make me prefer Remingtons and Winchesters, and even Savage/Stevens for my shotguns....


Maybe someday I WILL buy a Kel tec if I have the need for a .32 acp or a .380....and was considering one for my wife until I got her a revolver which she prefers and doesn't have to pull back any slide....

But until then I will stick with my Makarov as my little carry gun....

Want to try out one of the Keltec .380s sometime? I'm just down the road.

[springerbuster]

Just bought a plr16 off of BrandX today. Can't wait to see how it shoots. I already own a Kel Tec 3at and have no regrets about buying it.

[patrol]

Originally Posted by tonygrz

Sorry about being a late comer to this topic. I have had the 32, 380 and the P-11 9mm. I carried the 32 for about a year. About a month ago, I went to the range to test my NEW 380 and 9MM. I also took my 32. I started with the 32. Fired the first shot and then had a FTF. Work it out and then tried again. I had a FTF at least once in every magazine. Put that one aside and tried the new 380. With every magazine, the third round was a FTF. Just the third round. Put that one aside and tried the P-11 9MM. I had at least one FTF or double feed at least once in every magazine. All the guns were cleaned before taking to the range. Outcome............sold all three at the next gun show and made a profit. Now I carry a S&W airweight 38. When I pull the trigger it goes bang and if it doesn't, I just pull the trigger again. Problem solved.

Tony

I wen't ahead on impulse mostly because of the $280 price tag and bought the PF9 and carried it back up fashion in my vest on duty all week and it's amazing how I can't even feel it unlike the shape of a revolver that doesn't fit flush against your body due to a cylinder but seriously I had second doubts after shooting it and having issue's with the PF9 especially with hollow points, good god name it...double feeding..fail to go into battery..stove piping..I only shot eight rounds of federal 124 grain hollow points out of it and it was nothing but immediate action drills, slap rerack tap, name it it was no way for a life saving back up gun to act and I don't care if it says like the all expensive "Kahr" you have to break it in and shoot what ever "said" amount of rounds out of it the freakin thing needs to go bang when i pull the trigger..period..I will go out and put a couple hundred maybe three out of it now that i'm off now but other than the actual carry and size of this gun I already have negative reservations about this little thing. If I break it in and it feeds flawlessly then the last relay I shoot hollow points and it feeds flawlessly i'll trust it, if not I'm done with it. I will do as most have said and stick to good ole Jframe airweight SW 638 for back up..it just sux u gotta spend six hundred bux "starting" or more for a reliable back up micro-9mm and for all u LCP fans out there u can keep your .380acp I not only don't trust its stopping power the freakin ammo cost as much as 45acp! and that's a no go. And honestly if I can get another Kahr since there are absolutely no differences in the pistol dimensions between the 40 and a 9mm you can bet I'll get another 40sw..I do regret getting rid of the P40 i toted around a few years back vs my thick ass hunk of two by four G27 but then again the 11 plus 1 is worth it. In fairness I will break in this Kel Tec PF9 but geez ive only shot twenty rounds out of it and it's alread rattling like a rattle snake and now the jams on defensive hollow points..not lookin good fans..I don't care who you are if i owned a gun company i would never say oh hey by the way before my product will become reliable you have to shoot a couple three hundred rounds out of it instead I would do that myself before I sold it..If I have problems tommorow or sunday i'm takin it back to the place I bought it and tell them to keep it and give me more than regular rip off trade in value since im an unhappy customer and I'll trade it and by from them, if not and the get all like sorry sir trade in value only some like fifty percent now vs old days of seventy five percent at least of what the will resale it for I will be their biggest enemy and as a Range Master and a Veteran Cop I have lots of ears all over this country including friends who you see shoot on TV..sorry just venting..i'll let ya know what happens folks..god bless

[TnRebel]

I have been carrying my P3AT 2nd gen now for about a year as a bug and have out about 500 rounds through it with out a hiccup after i did a Fluff n Buff on it .

[Old Guy]

I just bought a PF9 at a show. It is light, thin, and fits well into the hand. I have not shot it yet, but the trigger is much sweeter than my LCP by a long shot. Initial impression is very good. It may be a week or so before I can give it a whirl at the range.

[Brisk44]

I have the LCP and think it's nice little gun for the purpose it's intended. Size wise it's perfect. I would have bought the LC9 but it does not fit completely in my back jeans pocket. The trigger pull is what you would expect for a double action semi-auto. I still may get an LC9 just because I like the looks and fit in my hand or possibly the Kel-Tec PF9 and an SR9c. You just never know what little gun jennie will put you under her spell.

[The Count]

My 2 cents worth...

if you are looking for a plain pistol you are probably better off getting a ruger for just a few dollars more. while the kel tecs generally do operate relatively reliably, the fit and finish is pretty poor.

where kel tec shines in my opinion is with unusual weapons, such as the PLR 16 and K2000, both which i have.

[K75RT]

FWIW Gun Tests magazine did a review of the PF-9 and the LC9 in the April 2011 issue. The Keltec got an "A" and the Ruger LC9 got a "C". The RDCV is that the LC9 is a copy of the PF-9 with the addition of a manual safety and the omission of the light/laser rail. The trigger pull is long and similar to the PF-9, the LC9 weights 2.5 ozs more than the PF-9 and it is also $110 more expensive...

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by The Count

My 2 cents worth...

if you are looking for a plain pistol you are probably better off getting a ruger for just a few dollars more. while the kel tecs generally do operate relatively reliably, the fit and finish is pretty poor.

where kel tec shines in my opinion is with unusual weapons, such as the PLR 16 and K2000, both which i have.

You can have those ruger bricks (copy cats too). I'll stick with light, reliable, and innovative.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by K75RT

FWIW Gun Tests magazine did a review of the PF-9 and the LC9 in the April 2011 issue. The Keltec got an "A" and the Ruger LC9 got a "C". The RDCV is that the LC9 is a copy of the PF-9 with the addition of a manual safety and the omission of the light/laser rail. The trigger pull is long and similar to the PF-9, the LC9 weights 2.5 ozs more than the PF-9 and it is also $110 more expensive...

Exactly, for the $110 more, I will buy four extra mags and ammo. w00t!

[K75RT]

Here is my Keltec PF-9, it has been nickel plated by Jack Fuselier, and the action has been deburred and polished, please note the barrel. This gun functions 100% and is reasonably accurate for its intended purpose. I picked it up 2nd hand for $150.00, $35.00for the slide plating...she's a great gun!

[graehaven]

Just picked up mine today!

Only has had 2 mags run through it, so got it for a discount. Gun with one mag + 3 extra mags........ $200.

[focusmaniaczx3]

well i might as well put my $.02 in on this one. i picked up a kel-tec pf9 at a gun show awhile back to be used as a BUG on most days and as my main carry when im wearing very light clothes. i have since put about 700 rounds through it. here is my break down on this gun.

it's size makes it by far the most easily concealable 9mm out there right now period. its very light so it wont drag your drawers down with it and its so narrow!
it can fire +p ammo. this is a big plus for any gun being used for personal defense.
it is more accurate than i can shoot it. i added crimson trace to it and i can make 4 inch groups at 25 yards. thats pretty good for a shaky handed sucker like me.
the crimson trace is very form fitting and does not negatively impact the concealability or weight in any way.
it feeds, goes bang, ejects brass, and feeds again every single time no matter what ammo i put through it.

those were all the good points, now for the bad stuff
it took 300 rounds before it quit showing its ass. it seemed like every other mag full had at least one failure to fire, feed, or eject. it absolutely refused to feed the corbon +p HP i got specifically for self defense. and that is some high dollar ammo so it darn well better eat it. but after 300 rounds and a thorough cleaning i went back to shoot it more and it was like it had changed over night. i have since put about 350 more FMJ rounds through it and 50 HP rounds of varying brands including 7 corbon +P rounds and everything i have put through it since about that 300 round mark has fed, fired, and ejected flawlessly.
more bad stuff though
there is a frame pin that tries to work loose after about every 50 rounds or so which has to be driven back into the frame. im not sure what it is for in the gun itself but it cannot be good for it to fall out without my knowledge while im shooting and fire the gun without it. im contacting kel-tec about that this weekend.
it is an extremely snappy gun. it will make your hand hurt some if you shoot it alot.
the muzzle flash and flip is to the extreme but all of that is to be expected with such a lightweight and short barreled gun.
the frame clip that i got like k75rt and graehaven have pictured in the posts above this keeps working loose. every 50-100 rounds i will take the allen wrench to it to tighten it back up. loctite wont hold the screws in place.

my overall opinion of the gun. i would buy another one if i needed it. it takes a little bit of breaking in but afterwards its all the better for it. go ahead and spend well over $100 more for a "better" gun. i will take the money i didnt spend on my gun and use it to buy beer, car parts, ammo, or another gun! what made me a believer for this gun more than anything was when a buddy of mine took his p3at out of his pocket at the lake a few months ago and shot a possum with it. that in itself was no big accomplishment except for the fact that the gun had been in that same pocket holster with those same rounds every single day for well over a year without being fired and all that time getting clogged up with pocket lint and any other obscenities that go into a man's pockets and it still chambered, fired, ejected, and chambered the next round flawlessly. i became a kel-tec believer that day.

[graehaven]

Took mine to the range Saturday.

This is NOT a pleasant gun to shoot, but it shoots well.

I put 125 rounds through it, mag after mag, with NO hiccups of any kind. Ate 3 different kinds of ball, and one kind (winchester sxt) JHP round - no problems.

The long trigger pull is a bit different to get used to as opposed to a glock, but can be overcome.

Great little package.

[Jim Hauff]

For SD ammo - take a close look at the Hornady FTX Critical Defense loads - check out the extreme taper of the ogive. These are made to load. I've fired a box through my KelTec P3AT - no problems, smooth as silk feeding.

[patrol]

Kel Tec PF9...Ok, I shot about 100 rounds through it of hardball ammo then a handful about thirty rounds of various "defensive" loads from hollow points to hydroshock. It was consistently doing everything wrong from failing to go into batter to stove pipe to just jamming to light strikes on the primers. I took it where I bought it and the guy told me their customer service was so excellent to just let them send it back and they would return a flawless firearm. I trusted the guys judgement because I have known him for many years and purchased a crazy amount of firearms and accessories from him. Can't wait to get it back and see how it performs. You really can't beat the size and the trigger like I said before is way smoother than the Ruger LC9. I will keep you guys posted.

[McDhuibh]

[QUOTE=graehaven;737647]Took mine to the range Saturday.

This is NOT a pleasant gun to shoot, but it shoots well.

This is my thoughts too. My hand can't handle the brutality + it pinches my finger between the guard. I have to go to the ruger, 5oz heavier more expensive and had to send it in for repair in the first week, but that seems to quite the abuse to my hand. The down fall to the ruger is the trigger pull is even longer than the PF9, my god, if these little guns get any more safety over-engineering they will have to put a ratcheting trigger in them.

[graehaven]

[QUOTE=McDhuibh;740105]

Originally Posted by graehaven

Took mine to the range Saturday.

This is NOT a pleasant gun to shoot, but it shoots well.

This is my thoughts too. My hand can't handle the brutality + it pinches my finger between the guard. I have to go to the ruger, 5oz heavier more expensive and had to send it in for repair in the first week, but that seems to quite the abuse to my hand. The down fall to the ruger is the trigger pull is even longer than the PF9, my god, if these little guns get any more safety over-engineering they will have to put a ratcheting trigger in them.

Makes up for it in the "pleasant to carry" category though.