need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! - The Firearms Forum

slave524 · 11-25-2008, 08:22 PM

Hi!
I posted this question a while back with no pics but now I have some
This gun holds 7 shots and has a fold up trigger. My grandpa brought it back from WW2. It would be awesome if somebody could unravel the mystery of where this gun came from and who made it!

ehughes · 11-25-2008, 09:50 PM

dont know much about folding trigger handguns, and im certainly no expert, but it's similar to this http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=52008 with different grips in better shape, and it's in a larger caliber, and it appears to be a bit fancier as well, someone who really knows should be around shortly to pin down its history, but thought id say something in the meantime

slave524 · 12-01-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ehughes

dont know much about folding trigger handguns, and im certainly no expert, but it's similar to this http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=52008 with different grips in better shape, and it's in a larger caliber, and it appears to be a bit fancier as well, someone who really knows should be around shortly to pin down its history, but thought id say something in the meantime

thanks for the response! 1 step closer to the answer!

TranterUK · 12-01-2008, 10:00 AM

Belgium made pocket pistol. My best guess is between the wars production 1918-39, though it could be earlier. There were huge amounts of these made and they sold for around $1.00.

Kestral · 12-01-2008, 04:00 PM

With the length of cylinder it is most likley 5.7mm,they also made them in 25acp,known as Velo-Dogs,sold to cyclists mainly in France to shoot dog that chased them.1900 to 1920 approx.If you can get a copy of Arms of the World 1911 by Digest Books inc Northfield Illinois, there are dozens of them listed,pics enc

Kestral · 12-02-2008, 02:20 AM

Additional info,Fiocchi ammo Italy still produce 5.7mm in small quantities,maybe some gunstore might still have some.Kestral

45Auto · 12-02-2008, 02:27 PM

If there are no proof marks, then it might be Spanish.

RJay · 12-02-2008, 07:39 PM

The only country with out a National Proof House was the U.S. If it wass made in any country in Europe it should have a proof mark.

slave524 · 12-03-2008, 09:07 AM

Thanks for all the responses!
Where would I find this proof mark?
The only 2 markings that I saw on the gun that did not make it into the pictures were a 5 to 6 digit number and a very small 6 sided star stamped on the Cylinder and I think in another spot also, but I can't remember exactly (I will have to check with my Grandma again)

skiforce · 01-10-2009, 11:16 PM

What caliber is it? I have one just like it. The topstrap is marked "F Faulkner & Cie Prague." On the left side of the barrel is "22. 11. 21." The number "2110" is stamped on the frontstrap of grip and the number "268" stamped on the top of the barrel. It is an 8mm five-shot with a loading gate, a 45mm barrel length (eight sided, unrifled) and a folding trigger. It can be fired double or single action and has a bird's-head grip. The overall length is about 150mm, and height is about 90mm. I will try to get pics of it up soon. Your's looks newer.

Win_88 · 09-14-2009, 02:42 AM

Its a Veledog
FL with sabers Manufactured by FRANKEN & LÜNENSCHLOSS

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...hloss%20gb.htm

Simular as markings on this gun

http://www.littlegun.be/ma_collectio...hloss%20gb.htm

R under crown means rifled bore used 1894 to 1968

PV under a stylize lion means its Powder without smoke used 1868 to 1968

q under a star is the coutermark of the controller

Your cylinder will have more markings and so will the frame under the grips..
That will be the inspector and assembler. It may also have a serial number.

The cylinder may also has the mark of the foundry..

11-25-2008, 08:22 PM	#1
slave524 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5	need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! Hi! I posted this question a while back with no pics but now I have some This gun holds 7 shots and has a fold up trigger. My grandpa brought it back from WW2. It would be awesome if somebody could unravel the mystery of where this gun came from and who made it! Attached Images -->

11-25-2008, 09:50 PM	#2
ehughes V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 161	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! dont know much about folding trigger handguns, and im certainly no expert, but it's similar to this http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=52008 with different grips in better shape, and it's in a larger caliber, and it appears to be a bit fancier as well, someone who really knows should be around shortly to pin down its history, but thought id say something in the meantime __________________ FYI you can not, I repeat NOT carry a Winchester 94 in an ankle holster, especially with pointed bullets, that thing almost shot my foot off! Last edited by ehughes; 11-25-2008 at 09:52 PM..

12-01-2008, 10:00 AM	#4
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! Belgium made pocket pistol. My best guess is between the wars production 1918-39, though it could be earlier. There were huge amounts of these made and they sold for around $1.00. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way!

12-01-2008, 04:00 PM	#5
Kestral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Guernsey Channel Islands Posts: 355	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! With the length of cylinder it is most likley 5.7mm,they also made them in 25acp,known as Velo-Dogs,sold to cyclists mainly in France to shoot dog that chased them.1900 to 1920 approx.If you can get a copy of Arms of the World 1911 by Digest Books inc Northfield Illinois, there are dozens of them listed,pics enc Attached Images

12-02-2008, 02:20 AM	#6
Kestral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Guernsey Channel Islands Posts: 355	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! Additional info,Fiocchi ammo Italy still produce 5.7mm in small quantities,maybe some gunstore might still have some.Kestral

12-02-2008, 02:27 PM	#7
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,121	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! If there are no proof marks, then it might be Spanish.

12-02-2008, 07:39 PM	#8
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! The only country with out a National Proof House was the U.S. If it wass made in any country in Europe it should have a proof mark. __________________ RonJames

12-03-2008, 09:07 AM	#9
slave524 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! Thanks for all the responses! Where would I find this proof mark? The only 2 markings that I saw on the gun that did not make it into the pictures were a 5 to 6 digit number and a very small 6 sided star stamped on the Cylinder and I think in another spot also, but I can't remember exactly (I will have to check with my Grandma again)

01-10-2009, 11:16 PM	#10
skiforce Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! What caliber is it? I have one just like it. The topstrap is marked "F Faulkner & Cie Prague." On the left side of the barrel is "22. 11. 21." The number "2110" is stamped on the frontstrap of grip and the number "268" stamped on the top of the barrel. It is an 8mm five-shot with a loading gate, a 45mm barrel length (eight sided, unrifled) and a folding trigger. It can be fired double or single action and has a bird's-head grip. The overall length is about 150mm, and height is about 90mm. I will try to get pics of it up soon. Your's looks newer.

09-14-2009, 02:42 AM	#11
Win_88 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: need an ID on an old gun now with pictures! Its a Veledog FL with sabers Manufactured by FRANKEN & LÜNENSCHLOSS http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...hloss%20gb.htm Simular as markings on this gun http://www.littlegun.be/ma_collectio...hloss%20gb.htm R under crown means rifled bore used 1894 to 1968 PV under a stylize lion means its Powder without smoke used 1868 to 1968 q under a star is the coutermark of the controller Your cylinder will have more markings and so will the frame under the grips.. That will be the inspector and assembler. It may also have a serial number. The cylinder may also has the mark of the foundry.. __________________ Winchester Model 88 Lever Action .308 cal.