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Just on the surface it sounds like a worthy bill, but i think you are right they just need to toss this one out and start over.
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You dont think that wouldnt be for stubborn gun owners? Or how about christians that wont deny christ just before the rapture? THATS WHAT I THINK!
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One thing after another, their setting the board, beware when the pieces start moving.
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the crazy thing is they already have camps all over the states right now....I saw a map of them not too long ago...
and one or two of them are equipped with buildings that will gas people in large quantities... I think it's just sickening to think that America is coming to this... Can't we all just live in peace without all this crud? I'm getting ready to retire....and I sure as hell don't want to live in fear for the rest of my life... or do I have to leave the country I love so much? sigh this just sucks... and I'm sad and mad all rolled up into one!
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The most frightening paragraph is at the end. If this doesn't show the agenda and what this bill is aimed at, I don't know what will:
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Lori, Do you have a link to these camps? I'd like to know if there's any close to me.
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http://www.uaff.us/deathcamps.htm I just scrolled this website and it's really creepy! Good God....is this America??????
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Well, anyone who has read the laws involving FEMA knew this stuff when Bush Sr was president and sucessfully pushed for it. It's in plain english. How do you think the whole situation happened in New Oleans? It wasn't to see if the government could help, but to see how well it could take control after chaos started.
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A BILL
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.
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The map shows one near me on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario. I'd like to go look at it but, can't get a good location. The map is real neat and all that but, after some research, I can't find an ACTUAL location of any of them. If you find one, let me know, I'll go check it out! ![]() Edit: OK, I'm an idiot...it says, right on the map, Ft Drum. I work on, and hunt all over, Ft Drum. Trust me ...There is no camp here or anything like one. Thank God for tinfoil!
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I may have lost the jist of the thread because I have been clicking on the links. Anyway this is my take.
The only thing I can say about this is in the event that SHTF you need to be prepaired for the worst case senero. I learned just how long it takes to get help after Katrina. I live some 65 miles from where the storm hit. I had no problems. Although we lost all services for months. I can tell you now you need over a 3 month supply of food, water, fuel and everthing to sustain life dug in at your home. You just cant be in the cities with the cahos. I don't know what you guys saw on tv back then because I had none, but I promise you LE had a hell of a time with citizens in the zoo. These people can not fend for themselves. It's crazy. I salute those brave men and women who went in there to restore order. I also have to say that I believe this is a localized thing that will happen to the city people should SHTF. People in rual areas also tend to help each other. |
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"If Sarah Palin isn't enough of a reason for you to get over whatever your problem is with Barack Obama, then you damn well had better pay attention," Hastings said, as reported by ABC News. "Anybody toting guns and stripping moose don't care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks. So, you just think this through."
So gun owners and hunters are a threat to blacks and Jews...is that it? I tell you we are facing a dangerously ignorant and bigoted mentality. Well I'd tell this numbskull that Jews and blacks are safe with me but ignorant asses such as himself SHOULD be worried. God do I hate stupidity. |
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Yes! If they don't continue to foster this idea of racism, thousands upon thousands of people are out of work. They now cannot afford to have the realization come to fruition that the task has been achieved and we are on equal footing.
We are a threat therefore due to the independence of governmental needs whereas we have 4+ generations living off of the coffers of the working tax payer. ![]() |
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I carefully went over that list to the installations I've worked or trained on or at in the last 12 months. One of those places listed I recently began working there this month and live right outside the gate. My kids go to school right there. We buy our groceries at the commissary there, use the hospital there etc etc. All that "black helicopter" "fenced enclosures guard towers" is us training foreign security forces to handle their own stuff so Americans can pull out and come home. Nothing spooky or evil going on....after work we hang out and eat cajun catfish and maybe alligator and drink pepsi at the seafood joint, tell lies, keep the local tattoo artists in business, and if it gets warm chase the local bass. I have to call bulls**t. The UN or US Army isn't making any concentration camps.
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I don't understand what a lot of these kind of people are thinking. You really think in a SHTF situation legislation for this kind of thing is going to be what matters? If the military decides to enforce rounding people up into "concentration camps" they aren't going to need legislation to do it.
It wasn't legislation that made the difference after Pearl Harbor, it wasn't legislation that made the difference after 9/11. It was the people we had put in power, and their values, morals, and personality. Not some artificial authority on a piece of paper.
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![]() 10/4 Vladimir...good one ...I saw thiss posted earlyir tonight and started to put in but htought better now am ups and had some pills andif wife was here wouldnt let me talknows but here goes let me light a cigret... I am gulty as charged like this post started, I have played blood boiled ands the democrats that and pelosimi that and this but , hey I am gulty. Am now retirede ((maybe some says reatarded tired llol lol ) as digital/microwave secuity engineer, and you know what, wasnt the big internet during 80''s under last republicans like sr bush and Mr. Reagan..so quick looks ups and mass sharings not so availables like this baloney started here ( no offensses to starters ) but makes me stop and think and if any youse follows any my postinga or rantings just other day askeded a post about just how really is devil bamaa.. any ways, I want to be fun like all and I guess just ignore me son if I can call you that , if not then Sir, but all jokings aside I guess main truth always comes out when needed, if the people are deserving they will get what we or they do desrving. Yes keep common sense, yes keep provisions ammo, food , couple days anyway for any emergency but keep your families and freinda closer. Theres no bull we cant eventually handled. And ill tell you one thing if you dont know it-----all can serve this countryies and we do and have, but by god I fight and for my friends and family and sme have no ideas how many cant come back after doing that and that was all they was doing.nite |
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Lets talk about the japanise interment camps we had here. It is VERY popular to berate our goverment for what they did to all the peacefull japanise people in war two. It is suppose to be taken as fact it was our biggest sin. Maybe for 98% of them that was true. Yet, I have talked to several people that say otherwise that was part of it. I knew a man that was high up in air traffic controll in those days. He told me that in california they caught japanese farmers liveing by airfields planting bright flowers outlining the air bases!
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Having said that, I don't trust politicians in general and Hussein in particular as far as I could throw them. ![]() Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. ![]()
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You have to realize that in both current conflicts, conventional forces and all logistics supporting such are working and living out of Forward Operating Bases (FOB's...until recently now they have a new name blahza blah) which is basically just a Fire Base, Patrol Base, or LOG Base, as most older vets will recall. Desert Storm vets will remember the Kabals probably...same thing...a FOB with a big sand berm and c-wire.
Well...everyone trains in mock FOB's in the US. Drive to Ft Polk and JRTC has "fenced enclosures guard towers" that are training FOB's. Every training post in the US Army has such...and MOUT cities...they are not concentration camps and never could be. They are Hollywood dog 'n pony shows for training. Looks real on camera....but ain't.
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Allow me to explain, I will be brief, and I am in no way discounting you, or your opinion on this matter.... I could understand and believe the way you're viewing it if, the government were trustworthy, but it's not, and, if there was one per state. Even that is too many. There are over 800 of them. 800! There's only ONE reason to have that many; and it's not to help in training! ![]() ![]() The people at the top know that the country is imploding, that the economy is NOT going to come back. This is not the stuff of conspiracy theory.
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Well, I hear you, but most respectfully, I know there isn't one of those camps in the handful of installations listed that I am highly familiar with. I'm saying there isn't 800...I'm saying there are ZERO concentration camps.
The bill....it's nothing but a proposition to align command and control of the regions and place havens for disasters. Maybe it could be abused, but I'm wondering where they'd get the people to do so. At any rate, the websites I skimmed through with "death camp" attitudes are not credible news sources and are line by line fear mongering bull doo-doo. It would be funny if they weren't serious...but claiming the US Army is training to capture US civilians is an absolute lie. Rounding up civilians for labor on military installations? Who ever would imagine this obviously is ignorant to the fact that the US Army has an endless pool of labor already ready 24/7...itself. Here's the bill. And pics of us training to capture civilians last year...or maybe we were training recruits for Iraq. Sorry but I'm a bit defensive about my organization. The US Army is tapped out fighting wars and is ready to come home, buy cars, and make babies. We are not the force of the 60's. This one is a thinking generation that asks why and considers implications. Our Army is not the stupid, reckless, evil machine that is depicted by those fearmongering websites. Maybe something with FEMA etc is afoot. But yall are barking up the wrong tree. ************************ National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (Introduced in House) HR 645 IH 111th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 645 To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES January 22, 2009 Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned A BILL To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act'. SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS. (a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations. (b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure-- (1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster; (2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders; (3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and (4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security. SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS. (a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers. (b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be-- (1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster; (2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center; (3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures; (4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods; (5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs; (6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows: (A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and (B) the other shall be used daily for training; and (7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster. (c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas: (1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III. (2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV. (3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII. (4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI. (5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X. (6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX. (d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers. (e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation. (f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center. (g) Reports- (1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site-- (A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected; (B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site; (C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site; (D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and (E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f). (2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site-- (A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1); (B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e); (C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and (D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site. (3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site-- (A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e); (B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and (C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site. (4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act. SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION. This Act does not affect-- (1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or (2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency. SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS. There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended. SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS. In this Act, the following definitions apply: (1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation' means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements: (A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor. (B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities. (C) Is located near a major metropolitan center. (2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency' has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122). (3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster' has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122). (4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation' has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).
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