Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out

[fedupdon]

Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out
Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America
GunLaws.com
3-12-9

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."


Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.


The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

Forward or send to every gun owner you know...
Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk

A partial list of gun rights groups:

Gun Owners of America
http://gunowners.org/

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
http://www.jpfo.org/

FREEDOM=GUNS
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm

National Rifle Association
http://www.nra.org/

Second Amendment Committee
http://www.libertygunrights.com/

Second Amendment Foundation
http://www.saf.org/

Second Amendment Sisters
http://www.2asisters.org/

Women Against Gun Control
http://www.wagc.com/

[Teejay9]

Again with the "not particularly suitable for sporting purposes" Bullsh!t. Where does the Bill of Rights state that a person may "keep and bear arms for sporting purposes?" It's not about bunny hunting! As has been said many times, the police aren't there to STOP crime. They're there to collect evidence and SOLVE crime after the fact. Same old crap from the same old people. TJ

[neptoon]

The time is drawing near.Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.God help America!!!

[TranterUK]

Makes scary reading guys. You have a fight on your hands. It will not be easy to retain your gun rights, but then nothing worth having ever is..

[islenos]

Well, at least my M1A, M1 Garand and MAS 49/56 is not the list

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by islenos

Well, at least my M1A, M1 Garand and MAS 49/56 is not the list

Yeah, but they fall under Eric's caveat that any weapon ever used by a military force has no place in the hands of a civilian. So that little stipulation takes care of everything expemted under the C&R clause. I"ve been reading that this one will be like the last one in that stuff that's already out there will be grandfathered in. You can still own it, but can't buy more. With as many AKs and ARs that are floating around out there, the feds don't have the manpower to go around collecting them.....yet. *cough cough* national security force! *cough cough*

[Teejay9]

Does that include the Colt 1911/1911A1, the Springfield 1903, the Colt 1903/1908, and even Colt SAAs? What about auxiliary guns such as the S&W MP, mod.10, "Victory?" The list seems to suggest any military gun under Mr. Holder's caveat, Mausers, Moisons, Enfields, etc. TJ

[USMC-03]

Well,, then taking things to their logical conclution, in the DoD buys a single Chipmunk .22lr then it's technically a "military weapon" and subject to the ban...

[islenos]

Brown Bess was a front line Military Weapon, but what if you removed the bayonet lug?

[Big ugly]

Well there goes my WWII collection, good grief, and you know companies like Ruger are goin to be hurt by this with all the money they but in for development and re-tooling the new Mini14 Target. This will equal even more jobs lostfrom the US based manufacturers. Hell yeah I love it take away rights and jobs a the same time. Kep it commin you zebra striped(never mind) I'm done.

[neptoon]

Everyone should remember the only way they will get your guns is if you give them up with out a fight.I would sooner die with a gun in my hand than die like a sheep.God help America!!

[RunningOnMT]

I am so panicked right now. I haven't been able to swing a black rifle yet and I'm afraid I wont be able to before they aren't available. It's one thing to stand up and say "No!' when they come to take your arms, but if you don't own any when they pass a ban you will have nothing with which to resist.

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I am so panicked right now. I haven't been able to swing a black rifle yet and I'm afraid I wont be able to before they aren't available. It's one thing to stand up and say "No!' when they come to take your arms, but if you don't own any when they pass a ban you will have nothing with which to resist.

That's why I snagged an AK when I had the chance. Now I'm trying to save up the money to get some upgrade parts and goodies for it while I still can.

[Big ugly]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I am so panicked right now. I haven't been able to swing a black rifle yet and I'm afraid I wont be able to before they aren't available. It's one thing to stand up and say "No!' when they come to take your arms, but if you don't own any when they pass a ban you will have nothing with which to resist.

Yeah and Ohio gun laws are screwed up anyway.

[islenos]

The confiscation of firearms cannot be done in one weekend. It cannot be done in a single city much less an entire state in less then six months. Reason dictates that collections would proceed in New York before they would tackle a state like Texas. Therefore I will sleep well at night knowing my door isn’t going to be kicked in. If a nationwide confiscations begins, it will come with plenty of warning.

[4EvrLearning]

As quoted from the original post:

"Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse)..."

First, I'd like to see his source for this information (the gun-ban list and the Brady information);
Second, he says twice that this is "proposed"...not final.

Distressing information, to be sure...but I was just on the NRA-ILA website seeing headlines about positive gun issues in a few states, so that's encouraging!

The battle is on, but it's not over...and thank God we still have freedom of speech at this point...and that some of our elected officials are still representing us.

[LeSabreUltra]

Originally Posted by bcj1755

That's why I snagged an AK when I had the chance. Now I'm trying to save up the money to get some upgrade parts and goodies for it while I still can.

Me too. I'm broke from buying it (and some ammo and an extra mag) but I'm sure glad I have it.




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[islenos]

I sure miss the days when you could buy an AK for $150

[SaddleSarge]

Originally Posted by islenos

If a nationwide confiscations begins, it will come with plenty of warning.

.... and rebellion.

[ponycar17]

Originally Posted by SaddleSarge

.... and rebellion.

Two words Sarge... BRING IT!

[hkruss]

Thank God they did not mention my Red Ryder B B gun!

(it COULD put an eye out!)

[4EvrLearning]

shhhhhh hkruss....don't give 'em any ideas!!!

[GunHugger]

It only works if we comply, register our guns, register ourselves as gun owners and cooperate with them.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE, NOT WITH ME.

Registration is first.

If you register your guns you have put them on the confiscation list, told them what you have and where they are.

They will tell you, just register them, that's all we want. Then get a permit to own them and all is fine. They just want to fingerprint you for your license to own them, no big deal. Do it or become a criminal. Many will.

I'm not doing any of their crap. I own guns and under our Constitution I am free to do so. If they want them...come and get 'em is all I can say. On that day some will die, maybe me too, but some things are worth fighting for...freedom is at the top of my list.

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by neptoon

Everyone should remember the only way they will get your guns is if you give them up with out a fight.I would sooner die with a gun in my hand than die like a sheep.God help America!!

The wording that i heard was something like this...

It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees!

mike
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[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by LeSabreUltra

Me too. I'm broke from buying it (and some ammo and an extra mag) but I'm sure glad I have it.




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Nice That looks like a WASR. I"m very happy with my "bottom of the barrel junk Romanian AK." Mine didn't come with the bayonet (the lug was ground off) or a muzzle brake (the cap nut is welded onto my barrel but I"m working on taking care of that). Now I'm looking to get a new furniture set (with picatinny rails), a better pistol grip, and a red dot sight. I figure I'll get what I can get before they're declared "evil" again