Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes

bcj1755 · 03-17-2009, 03:08 PM

Medvedev orders large-scale Russian rearmament

by Nick Coleman Nick Coleman – 2 hrs 20 mins ago

Medvedev orders large-scale Russian rearmament AFP/File – Russian soldiers guard a checkpoint near the Georgian village of Khurvaleti in 2008. Russian President …

MOSCOW (AFP) – President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday announced a "large-scale" rearmament and renewal of Russia's nuclear arsenal, accusing NATO of pushing ahead with expansion near Russian borders.

Meeting defence chiefs in Moscow, Medvedev said he was determined to implement reforms to streamline Russia's bloated military and stressed Moscow continued to face several security threats needing robust defense capacity.

"From 2011, a large-scale rearmament of the army and navy will begin," Medvedev said.

He called for a renewal of Russia's nuclear weapons arsenal and added that NATO was pursuing a drive to expand the alliance's physical presence near Russia's borders.

"Analysis of the military-political situation in the world shows that a serious conflict potential remains in some regions," Medvedev said.

He listed local crises and international terrorism as security threats and also stated: "Attempts to expand the military infrastructure of NATO near the borders of our country are continuing.

"The primary task is to increase the combat readiness of our forces, first of all our strategic nuclear forces. They must be able to fulfil all tasks necessary to ensure Russia's security," Medvedev said.

And while he praised Russia's military thrust into Georgia last year in defence of the rebel region of South Ossetia, he also said the conflict had shown up the military's failings.

The comments came despite signs of a warming in US-Russian relations since the inauguration of President Barack Obama in January.

Medvedev, who took office last May and has struggled to escape the shadow of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, is due to meet Obama for the first time next month in London.

Some analysts believe the Obama administration is backing away from policies that angered Moscow under the presidency of George W. Bush.

Those policies included strong US support for expanding the NATO alliance to include the ex-Soviet republics of Georgia and Ukraine and a plan to build US missile defence facilities in Eastern Europe.

But even though Medvedev and others have expressed hope for an improvement in US-Russian ties, there was a combative tone to Tuesday's meeting, intended to sum up military developments in the last year and to plan ahead.

Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said: "US efforts have been aimed at gaining access to raw materials, energy and other resources" in the former Soviet Union, while Washington had "actively supported processes aimed at pushing Russia from its traditional sphere of interests."

The head of Russia's strategic missile forces, Nikolai Solovtsov, told news agencies that Russia would start deploying its next-generation RS-24 missiles after the December 5 expiry of the START-1 treaty with the United States.

Moscow hopes to replace the treaty with a new accord.

Russia says its nuclear-capable, multiple-warhead RS-24 missiles are capable of overcoming defences such as the US missile shield.

In recent years Russia has been attempting to streamline its military, which currently numbers over one million personnel and has been burdened by corruption and bureaucracy.

Moscow-based defence expert Alexander Golts said he detected a contradiction in Medvedev's rhetoric, arguing that demonising NATO is at odds with Russia's stated goal of a slimmed down, efficient military.

"There are real threats, notably instability in Central Asia, but Russia can resist them alongside NATO. In Afghanistan it is clear NATO is also helping to defend Russia," said Golts.

Another independent expert, Pavel Felgenhauer, said it was unclear if the Kremlin had the stomach for military reforms likely to involve mass lay-offs in the current economic crisis.

"There's a lot of opposition in the ranks and this opposition will grow," Felgenhauer said. "It's unclear if the Kremlin will stay the course."

At Tuesday's meeting the defence minister, Serdyukov, said non-combat deaths in the military remained high at 471 last year, describing an "unhealthy moral and psychological atmosphere in certain military formations."

Serdyukov also said the vast majority of weapons in the Russian military were out of date. "The share of contemporary arms and military technology is around 10 percent," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090317...ilitarynuclear

And here's yet another group of people that Barry thinks we can "talk" to because our problems are all just a misunderstanding caused by Bush

Big ugly · 03-17-2009, 03:40 PM

Great, Lets P!$$ ole Ivan off. What is those IDIOTS thinking. I live close to Oak Ridge Ten. I already glow in the Dark, I dont need FALLOUT too, Damn!

Just One Shot · 03-17-2009, 03:51 PM

Medvedev, who took office last May and has struggled to escape the shadow of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin,

Actually, the Russian President is nothing more than a puppet set up by Putin so that he could retain control of the Russian government and military.

Putin is no idiot, he knows that the Democrats are weak and as such see's the opportunity to weaken the U.S. and advance his power by rebuilding his arsenal whilst they are in office.

The head of Russia's strategic missile forces, Nikolai Solovtsov, told news agencies that Russia would start deploying its next-generation RS-24 missiles after the December 5 expiry of the START-1 treaty with the United States.

Moscow hopes to replace the treaty with a new accord.

You can bet your bottom dollar that any "New Accord" is going to be to their benefit. Obama will bend over backwards to meet their demands.

Even if it seems to be on the up and up you can't trust their government to abide by anything! They are the key players in helping Iran to procure nuclear capabilities.

Without the Russian scientist, Iran wouldn't be where they are today with their nuclear program.

bcj1755 · 03-17-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just One Shot

Medvedev, who took office last May and has struggled to escape the shadow of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin,

Actually, the Russian President is nothing more than a puppet set up by Putin so that he could retain control of the Russian government and military.

Putin is no idiot, he knows that the Democrats are weak and as such see's the opportunity to weaken the U.S. and advance his power by rebuilding his arsenal whilst they are in office.

The head of Russia's strategic missile forces, Nikolai Solovtsov, told news agencies that Russia would start deploying its next-generation RS-24 missiles after the December 5 expiry of the START-1 treaty with the United States.

Moscow hopes to replace the treaty with a new accord.

You can bet your bottom dollar that any "New Accord" is going to be to their benefit. Obama will bend over backwards to meet their demands.

Even if it seems to be on the up and up you can't trust their government to abide by anything! They are the key players in helping Iran to procure nuclear capabilities.

Without the Russian scientist, Iran wouldn't be where they are today with their nuclear program.

Exactly. They know Barry is an appeaser, like Chamberlain. There's a reason why they kept that HUGE military, even when they supposedly couldn't afford it.

Vladimir · 03-17-2009, 06:17 PM

I can't help but notice comments in this thread are devoid of proof

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Mr. Nameless · 03-17-2009, 07:57 PM

No matter what happens you have to love the Russians. Every russian I have ever met(thats quite a few) has been evtremely nice and strict at the same time. Its as an old friend of mine once said "Well, your grandfather fought with with my grandfather, and we fight together, I think gods telling us something." At first I didnt get it, but ponder on it. And my grandfather did fight along side his in WW2. Obviously my G.father was in the european tour, they freed a concentration camp on their first mission together. I meet him at his G.fathers funeral, mine was giving the eulegy(i hope thats how u spell it) and I went with him to drive, best decision I ever made, besides getting married of course.

glocknut · 03-17-2009, 08:01 PM

But i thought they were our friends now....

mike
gn

bcj1755 · 03-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nameless

No matter what happens you have to love the Russians. Every russian I have ever met(thats quite a few) has been evtremely nice and strict at the same time. Its as an old friend of mine once said "Well, your grandfather fought with with my grandfather, and we fight together, I think gods telling us something." At first I didnt get it, but ponder on it. And my grandfather did fight along side his in WW2. Obviously my G.father was in the european tour, they freed a concentration camp on their first mission together. I meet him at his G.fathers funeral, mine was giving the eulegy(i hope thats how u spell it) and I went with him to drive, best decision I ever made, besides getting married of course.

I've met Russian people also and have found them to be a hard working, polite, fun loving people. I just don't trust the Russian government. For that matter, I don't trust the US government either.

rockntractor · 03-17-2009, 08:23 PM

it would really be awful if russia nuked DC. all of our finest polititians would be destroyed. we would be forced to rebuild the entire federal government with only the constitution as our guide. let's hope and pray this never happens.

glocknut · 03-17-2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockntractor

it would really be awful if russia nuked DC. all of our finest polititians would be destroyed. we would be forced to rebuild the entire federal government with only the constitution as our guide. let's hope and pray this never happens.

mike
gn

bcj1755 · 03-17-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockntractor

it would really be awful if russia nuked DC. all of our finest polititians would be destroyed. we would be forced to rebuild the entire federal government with only the constitution as our guide. let's hope and pray this never happens.

You know, my high school NJROTC instructor (a 26 year Navy vet and retired Captain who won a Purple Heart and Bronze Star with combat V in Vietnam) had a similar plan to fix the gov't (bear in mind that this was in 1996-97 when he said this). His plan was to get all the politicians into DC, drop a tactical nuke on the city, build a new capital somewhere in the middle of the country, and start over.

rockntractor · 03-17-2009, 09:19 PM

perish the thought that something such as this would ever happen to our beloved politicians.besides i think the russians know the worst possible weapen to a free country has allready been unleashed on our presidency and both our houses of congress. all they need to do is wait while we corrode from the inside out.they are far to smart to interfere

03-17-2009, 03:08 PM	#1
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes Medvedev orders large-scale Russian rearmament by Nick Coleman Nick Coleman – 2 hrs 20 mins ago Medvedev orders large-scale Russian rearmament AFP/File – Russian soldiers guard a checkpoint near the Georgian village of Khurvaleti in 2008. Russian President … MOSCOW (AFP) – President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday announced a "large-scale" rearmament and renewal of Russia's nuclear arsenal, accusing NATO of pushing ahead with expansion near Russian borders. Meeting defence chiefs in Moscow, Medvedev said he was determined to implement reforms to streamline Russia's bloated military and stressed Moscow continued to face several security threats needing robust defense capacity. "From 2011, a large-scale rearmament of the army and navy will begin," Medvedev said. He called for a renewal of Russia's nuclear weapons arsenal and added that NATO was pursuing a drive to expand the alliance's physical presence near Russia's borders. "Analysis of the military-political situation in the world shows that a serious conflict potential remains in some regions," Medvedev said. He listed local crises and international terrorism as security threats and also stated: "Attempts to expand the military infrastructure of NATO near the borders of our country are continuing. "The primary task is to increase the combat readiness of our forces, first of all our strategic nuclear forces. They must be able to fulfil all tasks necessary to ensure Russia's security," Medvedev said. And while he praised Russia's military thrust into Georgia last year in defence of the rebel region of South Ossetia, he also said the conflict had shown up the military's failings. The comments came despite signs of a warming in US-Russian relations since the inauguration of President Barack Obama in January. Medvedev, who took office last May and has struggled to escape the shadow of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, is due to meet Obama for the first time next month in London. Some analysts believe the Obama administration is backing away from policies that angered Moscow under the presidency of George W. Bush. Those policies included strong US support for expanding the NATO alliance to include the ex-Soviet republics of Georgia and Ukraine and a plan to build US missile defence facilities in Eastern Europe. But even though Medvedev and others have expressed hope for an improvement in US-Russian ties, there was a combative tone to Tuesday's meeting, intended to sum up military developments in the last year and to plan ahead. Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said: "US efforts have been aimed at gaining access to raw materials, energy and other resources" in the former Soviet Union, while Washington had "actively supported processes aimed at pushing Russia from its traditional sphere of interests." The head of Russia's strategic missile forces, Nikolai Solovtsov, told news agencies that Russia would start deploying its next-generation RS-24 missiles after the December 5 expiry of the START-1 treaty with the United States. Moscow hopes to replace the treaty with a new accord. Russia says its nuclear-capable, multiple-warhead RS-24 missiles are capable of overcoming defences such as the US missile shield. In recent years Russia has been attempting to streamline its military, which currently numbers over one million personnel and has been burdened by corruption and bureaucracy. Moscow-based defence expert Alexander Golts said he detected a contradiction in Medvedev's rhetoric, arguing that demonising NATO is at odds with Russia's stated goal of a slimmed down, efficient military. "There are real threats, notably instability in Central Asia, but Russia can resist them alongside NATO. In Afghanistan it is clear NATO is also helping to defend Russia," said Golts. Another independent expert, Pavel Felgenhauer, said it was unclear if the Kremlin had the stomach for military reforms likely to involve mass lay-offs in the current economic crisis. "There's a lot of opposition in the ranks and this opposition will grow," Felgenhauer said. "It's unclear if the Kremlin will stay the course." At Tuesday's meeting the defence minister, Serdyukov, said non-combat deaths in the military remained high at 471 last year, describing an "unhealthy moral and psychological atmosphere in certain military formations." Serdyukov also said the vast majority of weapons in the Russian military were out of date. "The share of contemporary arms and military technology is around 10 percent," he said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090317...ilitarynuclear And here's yet another group of people that Barry thinks we can "talk" to because our problems are all just a misunderstanding caused by Bush __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams -->

03-17-2009, 03:40 PM	#2
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes Great, Lets P!$$ ole Ivan off. What is those IDIOTS thinking. I live close to Oak Ridge Ten. I already glow in the Dark, I dont need FALLOUT too, Damn! __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

03-17-2009, 03:51 PM	#3
Just One Shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 432	Re: Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes Medvedev, who took office last May and has struggled to escape the shadow of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Actually, the Russian President is nothing more than a puppet set up by Putin so that he could retain control of the Russian government and military. Putin is no idiot, he knows that the Democrats are weak and as such see's the opportunity to weaken the U.S. and advance his power by rebuilding his arsenal whilst they are in office. The head of Russia's strategic missile forces, Nikolai Solovtsov, told news agencies that Russia would start deploying its next-generation RS-24 missiles after the December 5 expiry of the START-1 treaty with the United States. Moscow hopes to replace the treaty with a new accord. You can bet your bottom dollar that any "New Accord" is going to be to their benefit. Obama will bend over backwards to meet their demands. Even if it seems to be on the up and up you can't trust their government to abide by anything! They are the key players in helping Iran to procure nuclear capabilities. Without the Russian scientist, Iran wouldn't be where they are today with their nuclear program.

03-17-2009, 06:17 PM	#5
Vladimir Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Issaquah WA Posts: 3,558	Re: Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes I can't help but notice comments in this thread are devoid of proof . __________________ -JVRR меня зовут Владимир или Джеймс. Я знаю только немного русский язык (я американец, но мой пра дедушка русски). STEAM (CSS, TF2, etc): Ask me! Xbox LIVE! GT: "Vlad is Rad" PS3 PSN: "Vlad_Is_Rad"

03-17-2009, 07:57 PM	#6
Mr. Nameless Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coast of N.C. Posts: 1,264	Re: Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes No matter what happens you have to love the Russians. Every russian I have ever met(thats quite a few) has been evtremely nice and strict at the same time. Its as an old friend of mine once said "Well, your grandfather fought with with my grandfather, and we fight together, I think gods telling us something." At first I didnt get it, but ponder on it. And my grandfather did fight along side his in WW2. Obviously my G.father was in the european tour, they freed a concentration camp on their first mission together. I meet him at his G.fathers funeral, mine was giving the eulegy(i hope thats how u spell it) and I went with him to drive, best decision I ever made, besides getting married of course. __________________ Signed ~BMP Two classifications of terrorist dead and not dead enough

03-17-2009, 08:01 PM	#7
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03-17-2009, 08:23 PM	#9
rockntractor Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: okmulgee oklahoma Posts: 259	Re: Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes it would really be awful if russia nuked DC. all of our finest polititians would be destroyed. we would be forced to rebuild the entire federal government with only the constitution as our guide. let's hope and pray this never happens.

03-17-2009, 09:19 PM	#12
rockntractor Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: okmulgee oklahoma Posts: 259	Re: Oh, this looks great! Russia wants more nukes perish the thought that something such as this would ever happen to our beloved politicians.besides i think the russians know the worst possible weapen to a free country has allready been unleashed on our presidency and both our houses of congress. all they need to do is wait while we corrode from the inside out.they are far to smart to interfere