The Puckle Gun - The Firearms Forum

TranterUK · 03-30-2009, 04:03 PM

Ok military history gun people, how about a Puckle Gun with an 11 round magazine, designed and built in 1718, and its a flint lock! Not odd enough for you? It could fire round bullets for Christians and square bullets for Muslims, go figure..

FJF0311 · 03-30-2009, 04:15 PM

Dem square buulits got pork?

21bravo · 03-30-2009, 04:54 PM

thats really interesting tranter....but square bullets? what gives? you just yankin our chain?

that dont seem plauseable

TranterUK · 03-31-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 21bravo

thats really interesting tranter....but square bullets? what gives? you just yankin our chain?

that dont seem plauseable

It is true, look carefully at the magazine in the fore ground of the picture at the top, and the original drawing below. I have no idea how they were tight in the barrel though?

The history of guns can be just as interesting as anything modern.

21bravo · 03-31-2009, 01:33 PM

maybe im just a stupid yank but....why must the muslims be shot with a square bullet? i think a round one kills em just the same

ampaterry · 03-31-2009, 01:51 PM

I read about this in A Comic History of Bullets in one of my books.
Absolute fact. Weird as it seems, it seems it is OK to SHOOT Christians, but they had to be done in with only round bullets -

Now, those CLOVER LEAF shaped bullets - were they only for the Irish?

fmacsin1 · 03-31-2009, 02:49 PM

I'm still stuck on "Puckle"!

ampaterry · 03-31-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fmacsin1

I'm still stuck on "Puckle"!

When in use, it was a pickle gun.
Now that it is historic, it goes to the past tense of Pickle, which is puckle.

Now, for the REAL story of the name -
Tranter?

hkruss · 03-31-2009, 05:45 PM

Seems like I read somewhere that the square bullets caused massive gaping wounds, whereas, the round were considered more humane. (Isn't that why modern armies are supposed to use FMJ's? Think so).The Muslims of the time, I believe, were considered sub-human and not deserving of a humane death, hence the square bullets. Christian foes deserved to die more humanely with round bullets.

...or maybe I'm yanking your chain!!

Nah, I think I really did read this somewhere.

RunningOnMT · 04-01-2009, 12:00 AM

[QUOTE=hkruss;419796]The Muslims of the time, I believe, were considered sub-human and not deserving of a humane death, hence the square bullets.

QUOTE]

Well, some things don't change.

TranterUK · 04-01-2009, 01:34 AM

You have it, the square bullets were supposed to cause more painfull wounds, the round ones, less painful. Remember this was 1720 odd, times were different, the Muslim world was seen as a threat to the western Judao Christian one.

graehaven · 04-01-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TranterUK

You have it, the square bullets were supposed to cause more painfull wounds, the round ones, less painful. Remember this was 1720 odd, times were different, the Muslim world were seen as a threat to the western Judao Christian one.

LOL, it STILL is!

artabr · 04-01-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

LOL, it STILL is!

You're forgetting. Those days are over, he who shall quell all conflict has been selected to lead the free world.

Art

Maximilian II · 06-01-2009, 03:15 AM

Once upon a time, the belief was that devout Christians were not supposed to "shed the blood" of other Christians and thus only rounded (not edged or pointed) weapons should be used by them. In the Crusades this meant the clergy went to war, but were armed with blunt trauma weapons like maces. This was very humane of them, considering they were fighting "pagan infidel types."
I know, I know. Busting someone's skull with a metal club will make them bleed from every orifice in their head. Apparently it was the intent that counted.

Alpo · 06-01-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ampaterry

When in use, it was a pickle gun.
Now that it is historic, it goes to the past tense of Pickle, which is puckle.

Now, for the REAL story of the name -
Tranter?

Look underneath the tripod, on the drawing. "Invented by Mr. James Puckle, 1718". Just like the Colt gun was named after Mr. Colt, and the Glock gun was named after Mr. Glock, the Puckle gun was named after Mr. Puckle.

03-30-2009, 04:03 PM	#1
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	The Puckle Gun Ok military history gun people, how about a Puckle Gun with an 11 round magazine, designed and built in 1718, and its a flint lock! Not odd enough for you? It could fire round bullets for Christians and square bullets for Muslims, go figure.. Attached Images __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! -->

03-30-2009, 04:15 PM	#2
FJF0311 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mt. Airy, MD Posts: 269	Re: The Puckle Gun Dem square buulits got pork?

03-30-2009, 04:54 PM	#3
21bravo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: wilkes county, nc Posts: 790	Re: The Puckle Gun thats really interesting tranter....but square bullets? what gives? you just yankin our chain? that dont seem plauseable __________________ "BIG MOMMA BRAVO" If everything seems to be going well, you obviously do not know what the hell is going on --"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crime." - Thomas Jefferson

03-31-2009, 01:33 PM	#5
21bravo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: wilkes county, nc Posts: 790	Re: The Puckle Gun maybe im just a stupid yank but....why must the muslims be shot with a square bullet? i think a round one kills em just the same __________________ "BIG MOMMA BRAVO" If everything seems to be going well, you obviously do not know what the hell is going on --"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crime." - Thomas Jefferson

03-31-2009, 01:51 PM	#6
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,283	Re: The Puckle Gun I read about this in A Comic History of Bullets in one of my books. Absolute fact. Weird as it seems, it seems it is OK to SHOOT Christians, but they had to be done in with only round bullets - Now, those CLOVER LEAF shaped bullets - were they only for the Irish? __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

03-31-2009, 02:49 PM	#7
fmacsin1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Moosehead Lake, Maine Posts: 433	Re: The Puckle Gun I'm still stuck on "Puckle"!

03-31-2009, 05:45 PM	#9
hkruss Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mobile, Al. Posts: 1,092	Re: The Puckle Gun Seems like I read somewhere that the square bullets caused massive gaping wounds, whereas, the round were considered more humane. (Isn't that why modern armies are supposed to use FMJ's? Think so).The Muslims of the time, I believe, were considered sub-human and not deserving of a humane death, hence the square bullets. Christian foes deserved to die more humanely with round bullets. ...or maybe I'm yanking your chain!! Nah, I think I really did read this somewhere.

04-01-2009, 12:00 AM	#10
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: The Puckle Gun [QUOTE=hkruss;419796]The Muslims of the time, I believe, were considered sub-human and not deserving of a humane death, hence the square bullets. QUOTE] Well, some things don't change.

04-01-2009, 01:34 AM	#11
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: The Puckle Gun You have it, the square bullets were supposed to cause more painfull wounds, the round ones, less painful. Remember this was 1720 odd, times were different, the Muslim world was seen as a threat to the western Judao Christian one. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 04-01-2009 at 06:15 AM..

06-01-2009, 03:15 AM	#14
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: The Puckle Gun Once upon a time, the belief was that devout Christians were not supposed to "shed the blood" of other Christians and thus only rounded (not edged or pointed) weapons should be used by them. In the Crusades this meant the clergy went to war, but were armed with blunt trauma weapons like maces. This was very humane of them, considering they were fighting "pagan infidel types." I know, I know. Busting someone's skull with a metal club will make them bleed from every orifice in their head. Apparently it was the intent that counted. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.