Life As A Child - The Firearms Forum

killbuck · 04-01-2009, 12:12 PM

> You really have to be an archer or a black powder enthusiatist or a suthen boy to really appreciate this one!!!!

Life as a child

Unknown child's name... but he was in Mississippi

Around age 10 my dad got me one of those little badass compound bow beginner kits. Of course, the first month I went around our land sticking arrows in anything that could get stuck by an arrow. Did you know that a 1955 40 horse Farmall tractor will take 6 rounds before it goes down? Tough sumbich.

That got boring, so being the 10 yr. old Dukes of Hazard fan that I was, I quickly advanced to taking strips of cut up T-shirt doused in chainsaw gas tied around the end and was sending flaming arrows all over the place. Keep in mind this was 99.999% humidity swampland so there really wasn't any fire danger. Ill put it this way- a set of post hole diggers and a 3 ft. hole and you had yourself a well.

One summer afternoon, I was shooting flaming arrows into a large rotten oak stump in our backyard. I looked over under the carport and see a shiny brand new can of starting fluid (ether). The light bulb went off. I grabbed the can and set it on the stump. I thought that it would probably just spray out in a disappointing manner...lets face it to a 10 yr. old mouth-breather like myself ether, really doesn't "sound" flammable. So, I went back into the house and got a 1 pound can of pyrodex (black powder for muzzle loader rifles).

At this point, I set the can of ether on the stump and opened up the can of black powder. My intentions were to sprinkle a little bit around the ether can but it all sorta dumped out on me. No biggie... 1 lb. pyrodex and 16 oz. ether should make a loud pop, kinda like a firecracker you know? You know what? Screw that I'm going back in the house for the other can. Yes, I got a second can of pyrodex and dumped it too. Now we're cookin'.

I stepped back about 15 ft. and lit the 2 stroke arrow. I drew the nock to my cheek and took aim. As I released I heard a clunk as the arrow launched from my bow. In a slow motion time frame, I turned to see my dad getting out of the truck... OH **** he just got home from work. So help me God it took 10 minutes for that arrow to go from my bow to the can. My dad was walking towards me in slow motion with a WTF look in his eyes. I turned back towards my target just in time to see the arrow pierce the starting fluid can right at the bottom. Right through the main pile of pyrodex and into the can. Oh. ****.

When the shock wave hit it knocked me off my feet. I don't know if it was the actual compression wave that threw me back or just reflex jerk back from 235 fricking decibels of sound. I caught a half a millisecond glimpse of the violence during the initial explosion and I will tell you there was dust, grass, and bugs all hovering 1 ft. above the ground as far as I could see. It was like a little low to the ground layer of dust fog full of grasshoppers, spiders, and a crawfish or two. The daylight turned purple. Let me repeat this...THE FRICKING DAYLIGHT TURNED PURPLE. There was a big sweetgum tree out by the gate going into the pasture. Notice I said "was". That thing got up and ran off.

So here I am, on the ground blown completely out of my shoes with my thundercats T-Shirt shredded, my dad is on the other side of the carport having what I can only assume is a Vietnam flashback: ECHO BRAVO CHARLIE YOUR BRINGIN' EM IN TOO CLOSE!! CEASE FIRE. DAMNIT CEASE FIRE!!!!! His hat has blown off and is 30 ft. behind him in the driveway. All windows on the north side of the house are blown out and there is a slow rolling mushroom cloud about 2000 ft over our backyard. There is a Honda 185s 3 wheeler parked on the other side of the yard and the fenders are drooped down and are now touching the tires.

I wish I knew what I said to my dad at this moment. I don't know- I know I said something. I couldn't hear. I couldn't hear inside my own head. I don't think he heard me either... not that it would really matter. I don't remember much from this point on. I said something, felt a sharp pain, and then woke up later. I felt a sharp pain, blacked out, woke later.... repeat this process for an hour or so and you get the idea. I remember at one point my mom had to give me CPR so dad could beat me some more. Bring him back to life so dad can kill him again. Thanks Mom.

One thing is for sure... I never had to mow around that stump again Mom had been bitching about that thing for years and dad never did anything about it. I stepped up to the plate and handled business. Dad sold his muzzle loader a week or so later. And I still have some sort of bone growth abnormality either from the blast or the beating. Or both. I guess what I'm trying to say is, get your kids into archery.
It's good discipline and will teach them skills they can use later on in life.

Author Unknown... but he was in Mississippi

WomenofCaliber · 04-01-2009, 12:18 PM

Wow... what a story!

mrkirker · 04-01-2009, 12:23 PM

Mouth breather!

USMC-03 · 04-01-2009, 12:48 PM

Ad a copy of Improvised Munitions Handbook and two equally brain damaged friends, change the arrows to home made bombs and the stump to a big boulder and I remember it well...

chemfantry · 04-01-2009, 12:56 PM

I remember that TM, USMC. It was full of hours of entertainment. I still have a copy somewhere.......

cycloneman · 04-01-2009, 01:10 PM

good story, funny

USMC-03 · 04-01-2009, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemfantry

I remember that TM, USMC. It was full of hours of entertainment. I still have a copy somewhere.......

I know exactly where mine is...

killbuck · 04-01-2009, 01:17 PM

Hmmm...maybe I should get that manual. Life is getting boring at 67. LOL

Gabob · 04-01-2009, 02:12 PM

When I was a teenager my buddy and I did something similar. We had another friend who came over every afternoon in "Flattery" his Model A which sometimes got us nowhere. When he arrives he immediately raided the fridge and ate everything in sight. We decided to make a land mine and blow up the driveway in front of him. The mine was to be made of rolled up magazines filled with one pound of black powder. The igniter was a board with two nails attached to 120 volt wires with steel wool beween the nails which flashed when current was applied. While my cohort was making the plug to go in top of the rolled magazines I took a match and held to a piece of steel wool. Makes nice sparks. That was when a spark fell into the tube of black powder. Did I mention we were in a two car garage? Luckily the door was ajar so we didn't blow out the windows. My buddy wore glasses which now were covered with a white film as he staggered around. The smoke was so thick that we could not see across the room. When my friend regained his senses enough he wiped off his glasses and said"Why did you do that ?"

mrkirker · 04-01-2009, 02:57 PM

The dog arises quietly, and leaves the room . . . .

chemfantry · 04-01-2009, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMC-03

I know exactly where mine is...

TM 31-210. I actually have an original copy and not one of the reproductions now found at gun shows. If I were at home, I am sure I could put my hands on it.

Mr. Nameless · 04-01-2009, 05:52 PM

Well when I was thierteen I decided to tape 4 M-80s to about 8 cans of hairspray. Don't ask how or why, I just wanted to. Well, what i didn't realize was the cans were full. Long story short we were short about 8 birdhouses that were 18 feet apart.

CampingJosh · 04-01-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by killbuck

Hmmm...maybe I should get that manual. Life is getting boring at 67. LOL

Here is is online for free:
http://onlinebooks.110mb.com/tm%2031...0-contents.htm

killbuck · 04-02-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Here is is online for free:
http://onlinebooks.110mb.com/tm%2031...0-contents.htm

LOL! Boy has that ever got a lot of toys in it. Thanks for the link. I Got It bookmarked.

Enjoy the day.

Big_Guns · 04-06-2009, 10:55 PM

You know those toy cannons they sell? Did you notice the barrel is just the right size for a broomstick? So if you cut a piece of broomstick about a foot long, then use it to tamp down some black powder into the barrel, you can hit the side of a girls house from almost a block away. Did you know that it makes a neat noise hitting siding? Did you know the girl is unimpressed if you miss the siding and it goes thru her window instead? Did you know your parents will also be unimpressed?

EddieS1967 · 04-10-2009, 11:12 AM

As I sat here and read these tales of priceless little morsels of information on what not ought be done (it reminded me of some of my stunts) & the wonders of "how in the world did we ever live this long"

A glimmer of hope entered my mind, obviously the Good Lord does watch out for those who just don't have the sense to look out for themselves

, sooooooo maybeeeeee, he will take pity on our current situation, & lend a helping hand to our current leaders. But he's gonna have ta hurry & I doubt they are listening

Islandboy · 04-11-2009, 10:56 PM

Our current leaders would never be so brave as to play with such fascinating items of mass destruction.
My experiments with m-80's fitting perfectly into BB tubes interdispersed with a few dozen BB's and loose powder were legendary, especially when I blew up a commode in school during assembly EXactly when the Principal was addressing the Whole school.
The hunt lasted months..........
Only problem was what to do with all the excess powder,
I looked funny with one eyebrow for awhile until it grew back.
Seems clumps of powder will "jump" quite far when lit, this time into the "big pile"
Did someone say mushroom cloud?

BIGBOOMER · 04-11-2009, 11:57 PM

Years ago a guy up in Omak, WA, got stewed and decided to celebrate the 4th of July. He bundled up a few sticks of dynamite and set them off in the middle of an intersection downtown. Guys sitting in a bar halfway up the street said it knocked all the beers off the bar. Left a big ol' gaping hole in the middle of the intersection, too.

Best regard, BIGBOOMER

Islandboy · 04-12-2009, 09:42 AM

This post got me reminiscing, I was always the GO/NO GO guy, all my buddies came to with brilliant ideas based on available resources.
Blasting caps, "found" in Neighbourhood chemicals, Magneseum from the science labs. No one ever got seriously hurt, we all learned alot.
I'd forgotten the time I learned that gunpowder goes bang better when confined.
Schedule 80 pvc pipe, you get the idea.
The cracks are still in the wall!!

carver · 04-12-2009, 10:14 AM

I know that all boys don't do these sort of things growing up. I wonder why some of us do? My big bomb was 1# of gun powder, 1 qt. of gasoline, and three M-80's. I swear! We never ment to set the woods on fire!

Mr. Nameless · 04-12-2009, 04:38 PM

Well my oldest now has one. He was trying to move a tree out of the road and realized it was still connected(this tree is only about a foot thick), so he decided, for some reason, to prop it back up with a pole and blow it down. After he got my almost illegaly sized firecrackers(about 150) he taped them to the tree and lit them. His truck now looks like a hotdog bun.

Islandboy · 04-12-2009, 04:54 PM

How about home made Napalm? Yup, we tried it, Gas, styrofoam peanuts, some TIDE for good measure. Still dont know if it could be called Napalm but wow what heat!!

Mr. Nameless · 04-12-2009, 05:57 PM

Ya, thats Napalm alright, amazing the governments worried about guns when 10yr olds are making explosives under their very noses with everyday supplies.

Pistolenschutze · 04-12-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMC-03

Ad a copy of Improvised Munitions Handbook and two equally brain damaged friends, change the arrows to home made bombs and the stump to a big boulder and I remember it well...

Marines!

I sure am glad we well-behaved Army guys never did anything that crazy ::::whistling off key tune, crossing fingers:::: Of course, there was that one time with the C-4 . . .

Mr. Nameless · 04-12-2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Marines!

I sure am glad we well-behaved Army guys never did anything that crazy ::::whistling off key tune, crossing fingers:::: Of course, there was that one time with the C-4 . . .

hey howed you know about that?

04-01-2009, 12:12 PM	#1
killbuck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WNY (In the Snow Belt) Posts: 328	Life As A Child > You really have to be an archer or a black powder enthusiatist or a suthen boy to really appreciate this one!!!! Life as a child Unknown child's name... but he was in Mississippi Around age 10 my dad got me one of those little badass compound bow beginner kits. Of course, the first month I went around our land sticking arrows in anything that could get stuck by an arrow. Did you know that a 1955 40 horse Farmall tractor will take 6 rounds before it goes down? Tough sumbich. That got boring, so being the 10 yr. old Dukes of Hazard fan that I was, I quickly advanced to taking strips of cut up T-shirt doused in chainsaw gas tied around the end and was sending flaming arrows all over the place. Keep in mind this was 99.999% humidity swampland so there really wasn't any fire danger. Ill put it this way- a set of post hole diggers and a 3 ft. hole and you had yourself a well. One summer afternoon, I was shooting flaming arrows into a large rotten oak stump in our backyard. I looked over under the carport and see a shiny brand new can of starting fluid (ether). The light bulb went off. I grabbed the can and set it on the stump. I thought that it would probably just spray out in a disappointing manner...lets face it to a 10 yr. old mouth-breather like myself ether, really doesn't "sound" flammable. So, I went back into the house and got a 1 pound can of pyrodex (black powder for muzzle loader rifles). At this point, I set the can of ether on the stump and opened up the can of black powder. My intentions were to sprinkle a little bit around the ether can but it all sorta dumped out on me. No biggie... 1 lb. pyrodex and 16 oz. ether should make a loud pop, kinda like a firecracker you know? You know what? Screw that I'm going back in the house for the other can. Yes, I got a second can of pyrodex and dumped it too. Now we're cookin'. I stepped back about 15 ft. and lit the 2 stroke arrow. I drew the nock to my cheek and took aim. As I released I heard a clunk as the arrow launched from my bow. In a slow motion time frame, I turned to see my dad getting out of the truck... OH ** he just got home from work. So help me God it took 10 minutes for that arrow to go from my bow to the can. My dad was walking towards me in slow motion with a WTF look in his eyes. I turned back towards my target just in time to see the arrow pierce the starting fluid can right at the bottom. Right through the main pile of pyrodex and into the can. Oh. **. When the shock wave hit it knocked me off my feet. I don't know if it was the actual compression wave that threw me back or just reflex jerk back from 235 fricking decibels of sound. I caught a half a millisecond glimpse of the violence during the initial explosion and I will tell you there was dust, grass, and bugs all hovering 1 ft. above the ground as far as I could see. It was like a little low to the ground layer of dust fog full of grasshoppers, spiders, and a crawfish or two. The daylight turned purple. Let me repeat this...THE FRICKING DAYLIGHT TURNED PURPLE. There was a big sweetgum tree out by the gate going into the pasture. Notice I said "was". That thing got up and ran off. So here I am, on the ground blown completely out of my shoes with my thundercats T-Shirt shredded, my dad is on the other side of the carport having what I can only assume is a Vietnam flashback: ECHO BRAVO CHARLIE YOUR BRINGIN' EM IN TOO CLOSE!! CEASE FIRE. DAMNIT CEASE FIRE!!!!! His hat has blown off and is 30 ft. behind him in the driveway. All windows on the north side of the house are blown out and there is a slow rolling mushroom cloud about 2000 ft over our backyard. There is a Honda 185s 3 wheeler parked on the other side of the yard and the fenders are drooped down and are now touching the tires. I wish I knew what I said to my dad at this moment. I don't know- I know I said something. I couldn't hear. I couldn't hear inside my own head. I don't think he heard me either... not that it would really matter. I don't remember much from this point on. I said something, felt a sharp pain, and then woke up later. I felt a sharp pain, blacked out, woke later.... repeat this process for an hour or so and you get the idea. I remember at one point my mom had to give me CPR so dad could beat me some more. Bring him back to life so dad can kill him again. Thanks Mom. One thing is for sure... I never had to mow around that stump again Mom had been bitching about that thing for years and dad never did anything about it. I stepped up to the plate and handled business. Dad sold his muzzle loader a week or so later. And I still have some sort of bone growth abnormality either from the blast or the beating. Or both. I guess what I'm trying to say is, get your kids into archery. It's good discipline and will teach them skills they can use later on in life. Author Unknown... but he was in Mississippi -->

04-01-2009, 12:18 PM	#2
WomenofCaliber V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 104	Re: Life As A Child Wow... what a story! __________________ Check out today's Blog Post: Why I DON'T Recommend a Stun Gun for Self-Defense http://www.womenofcaliber.wordpress.com

04-01-2009, 12:23 PM	#3
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Life As A Child Mouth breather! __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

04-01-2009, 12:48 PM	#4
USMC-03 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,825	Re: Life As A Child Ad a copy of Improvised Munitions Handbook and two equally brain damaged friends, change the arrows to home made bombs and the stump to a big boulder and I remember it well... __________________ Let not the rifles of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots. - Fortes Fortuna Javat -

04-01-2009, 12:56 PM	#5
chemfantry V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ft. Campbell, KY Posts: 305	Re: Life As A Child I remember that TM, USMC. It was full of hours of entertainment. I still have a copy somewhere....... __________________ Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio.

04-01-2009, 01:10 PM	#6
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,406	Re: Life As A Child good story, funny __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

04-01-2009, 01:17 PM	#8
killbuck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WNY (In the Snow Belt) Posts: 328	Re: Life As A Child Hmmm...maybe I should get that manual. Life is getting boring at 67. LOL

04-01-2009, 02:12 PM	#9
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,161	Re: Life As A Child When I was a teenager my buddy and I did something similar. We had another friend who came over every afternoon in "Flattery" his Model A which sometimes got us nowhere. When he arrives he immediately raided the fridge and ate everything in sight. We decided to make a land mine and blow up the driveway in front of him. The mine was to be made of rolled up magazines filled with one pound of black powder. The igniter was a board with two nails attached to 120 volt wires with steel wool beween the nails which flashed when current was applied. While my cohort was making the plug to go in top of the rolled magazines I took a match and held to a piece of steel wool. Makes nice sparks. That was when a spark fell into the tube of black powder. Did I mention we were in a two car garage? Luckily the door was ajar so we didn't blow out the windows. My buddy wore glasses which now were covered with a white film as he staggered around. The smoke was so thick that we could not see across the room. When my friend regained his senses enough he wiped off his glasses and said"Why did you do that ?" __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

04-01-2009, 02:57 PM	#10
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Life As A Child The dog arises quietly, and leaves the room . . . . __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

04-01-2009, 05:52 PM	#12
Mr. Nameless Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coast of N.C. Posts: 1,264	Re: Life As A Child Well when I was thierteen I decided to tape 4 M-80s to about 8 cans of hairspray. Don't ask how or why, I just wanted to. Well, what i didn't realize was the cans were full. Long story short we were short about 8 birdhouses that were 18 feet apart. __________________ Signed ~BMP Two classifications of terrorist dead and not dead enough

04-06-2009, 10:55 PM	#15
Big_Guns Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 21	Re: Life As A Child You know those toy cannons they sell? Did you notice the barrel is just the right size for a broomstick? So if you cut a piece of broomstick about a foot long, then use it to tamp down some black powder into the barrel, you can hit the side of a girls house from almost a block away. Did you know that it makes a neat noise hitting siding? Did you know the girl is unimpressed if you miss the siding and it goes thru her window instead? Did you know your parents will also be unimpressed?

04-10-2009, 11:12 AM	#16
EddieS1967 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Location:Location: Posts: 304	Re: Life As A Child As I sat here and read these tales of priceless little morsels of information on what not ought be done (it reminded me of some of my stunts) & the wonders of "how in the world did we ever live this long" A glimmer of hope entered my mind, obviously the Good Lord does watch out for those who just don't have the sense to look out for themselves, sooooooo maybeeeeee, he will take pity on our current situation, & lend a helping hand to our current leaders. But he's gonna have ta hurry & I doubt they are listening __________________ "First at Bethel, Farthest at Gettysburg & Chickamauga, and Last at Appomattox." ___________________________________________________________________________ "Cheer Up!!! It's only going to get worse!!!

04-11-2009, 10:56 PM	#17
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: Life As A Child Our current leaders would never be so brave as to play with such fascinating items of mass destruction. My experiments with m-80's fitting perfectly into BB tubes interdispersed with a few dozen BB's and loose powder were legendary, especially when I blew up a commode in school during assembly EXactly when the Principal was addressing the Whole school. The hunt lasted months.......... Only problem was what to do with all the excess powder, I looked funny with one eyebrow for awhile until it grew back. Seems clumps of powder will "jump" quite far when lit, this time into the "big pile" Did someone say mushroom cloud? __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

04-11-2009, 11:57 PM	#18
BIGBOOMER V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Great Northwest Posts: 265	Re: Life As A Child Years ago a guy up in Omak, WA, got stewed and decided to celebrate the 4th of July. He bundled up a few sticks of dynamite and set them off in the middle of an intersection downtown. Guys sitting in a bar halfway up the street said it knocked all the beers off the bar. Left a big ol' gaping hole in the middle of the intersection, too. Best regard, BIGBOOMER __________________ Use Enough Gun. Do all your hunting BEFORE you shoot!

04-12-2009, 09:42 AM	#19
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: Life As A Child This post got me reminiscing, I was always the GO/NO GO guy, all my buddies came to with brilliant ideas based on available resources. Blasting caps, "found" in Neighbourhood chemicals, Magneseum from the science labs. No one ever got seriously hurt, we all learned alot. I'd forgotten the time I learned that gunpowder goes bang better when confined. Schedule 80 pvc pipe, you get the idea. The cracks are still in the wall!! __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

04-12-2009, 10:14 AM	#20
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,285	Re: Life As A Child I know that all boys don't do these sort of things growing up. I wonder why some of us do? My big bomb was 1# of gun powder, 1 qt. of gasoline, and three M-80's. I swear! We never ment to set the woods on fire! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

04-12-2009, 04:38 PM	#21
Mr. Nameless Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coast of N.C. Posts: 1,264	Re: Life As A Child Well my oldest now has one. He was trying to move a tree out of the road and realized it was still connected(this tree is only about a foot thick), so he decided, for some reason, to prop it back up with a pole and blow it down. After he got my almost illegaly sized firecrackers(about 150) he taped them to the tree and lit them. His truck now looks like a hotdog bun. __________________ Signed ~BMP Two classifications of terrorist dead and not dead enough

04-12-2009, 04:54 PM	#22
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: Life As A Child How about home made Napalm? Yup, we tried it, Gas, styrofoam peanuts, some TIDE for good measure. Still dont know if it could be called Napalm but wow what heat!! __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

04-12-2009, 05:57 PM	#23
Mr. Nameless Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coast of N.C. Posts: 1,264	Re: Life As A Child Ya, thats Napalm alright, amazing the governments worried about guns when 10yr olds are making explosives under their very noses with everyday supplies. __________________ Signed ~BMP Two classifications of terrorist dead and not dead enough