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Ed K · 05-03-2009, 07:22 PM

First telephone 911 than my 637 with laser sites and record the event and sleep well

berto64 · 05-03-2009, 08:09 PM

+1 shotgun

vytoland · 05-03-2009, 10:00 PM

a. S&W 686pp loaded with .38 special JHP
b. S&W 64 snub nose loaded with 148 gr wadcutters @ 825 fps
c. one genuine "Louisville Slugger"
d. Kutmaster bayonet

tim.sr · 05-04-2009, 08:37 PM

I will have to go with my baby 1911A1 one pull one kill. the wife and kids go in the kids room and I go on the hunt. rats come in but they dont get out.

Tim.Sr
US ARMY VET

islenos · 05-05-2009, 10:16 AM

1911A1 in the magazine rack beside my recliner.
S&W MP .45 in the night stand beside my bed.
870 12ga in the Kitchen.
And a big black ugly bully dog roaming the house.

mrkirker · 05-05-2009, 02:28 PM

Open the safe????????

Powderhorn · 05-05-2009, 03:56 PM

Of the choices presented by the OP, I'd go with the revolver.

Teejay9 · 05-05-2009, 03:58 PM

I'll put my vote in on the .45, though I'd rather have it in a 1911a1. Just personal preference, but it has never failed me. Big, that's some wild story!! I thought my mishaps were something, but that one takes the cake. Happy your still with us, friend. TJ

Tony22-250 · 05-06-2009, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkirker

Open the safe????????

or where ever you keep your guns....

ampaterry · 05-06-2009, 06:48 AM

#1 any shotgun
#2 .45 for close quarter maneuverability and fire power
#3 AR, because I don't have neighbors

Ditto TJ; my 1911 has never failed me -

deserteagle · 05-09-2009, 08:59 PM

SW 686 would be the first, from your list. But I would pick-up my 10-22 in a real dark house. Very low flash and almost no sound, to say nothing about more rounds and no shots going though the walls. Get past that then U deal with my 870.

goldenwings · 05-13-2009, 08:24 PM

12 gauge 18 inch pump action shotgun----up close and the perfect weapon for home defense

Most gunfights in the civilian world take place within 3 to 10 yards with 90% of rounds fired--missed using handguns

Shotgun up close and very personal under extreme stressful situations as having bad guys break into your house.

noslolo · 05-14-2009, 12:40 AM

686 because that is what I have, and it's done the job just fine!

bizy · 05-28-2009, 01:33 PM

S&W 357, Very dependable..

kutaho · 05-28-2009, 03:24 PM

.45, less likely to travel any distances after shooting thru perp.

FM258 · 06-01-2009, 10:12 AM

AR-15
Benelli M4
H&K USP .45 ACP
S&W .357 Model 686

Can anyone here throw a retail price on these?

Thx

Powderhorn · 06-01-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FM258

AR-15
Benelli M4
H&K USP .45 ACP
S&W .357 Model 686

Can anyone here throw a retail price on these?

Thx

Yeah. About a thou' each. Actually these days the benelli would be like $1300 I think, and a quality m-forgery will cost you $1400-$1600. If this is purely for defending the homestead, here's how I would go:

AK47. Always works. Shove it up an elephant's butt for a year and it'll still work when it comes out. Run over it with a tank. It'll work. A Romanian WASR version will net you about $500 and a Yugoslavian M70 will be about $700. Things you shoot with an AK (7.62x39) will stay dead. You cant always say that about the .223 round.

The benelli is nice, but Remington makes tactical versions of their 1100 for half what the Benelli will get you for. About $800

H&K... ptooey!

They are way overrated plastic crap. Fill your fist with some steel, man! I recommend a Rock Island Armory 1911. For about $500 you will get a no-frills machine that will shoot like the dickens. My friend just hit the 10k mark on his. Good thing he reloads and casts his own bullets, or he'd be broke. By the way, these 1911s, are made on old Colt machinery.

Lastly, the S&W. There is no compromises here. You'll spend about $800-$1000 for a suitable .357.

FM258 · 06-01-2009, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powderhorn

Yeah. About a thou' each. Actually these days the benelli would be like $1300 I think, and a quality m-forgery will cost you $1400-$1600. If this is purely for defending the homestead, here's how I would go:

AK47. Always works. Shove it up an elephant's butt for a year and it'll still work when it comes out. Run over it with a tank. It'll work. A Romanian WASR version will net you about $500 and a Yugoslavian M70 will be about $700. Things you shoot with an AK (7.62x39) will stay dead. You cant always say that about the .223 round.

The benelli is nice, but Remington makes tactical versions of their 1100 for half what the Benelli will get you for. About $800

H&K... ptooey!

They are way overrated plastic crap. Fill your fist with some steel, man! I recommend a Rock Island Armory 1911. For about $500 you will get a no-frills machine that will shoot like the dickens. My friend just hit the 10k mark on his. Good thing he reloads and casts his own bullets, or he'd be broke. By the way, these 1911s, are made on old Colt machinery.

Lastly, the S&W. There is no compromises here. You'll spend about $800-$1000 for a suitable .357.

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated.

Shooter45 · 06-01-2009, 06:50 PM

[/QUOTE] H&K... ptooey!

They are way overrated plastic crap. Fill your fist with some steel, man! I recommend a Rock Island Armory 1911. For about $500 you will get a no-frills machine that will shoot like the dickens. My friend just hit the 10k mark on his. Good thing he reloads and casts his own bullets, or he'd be broke. By the way, these 1911s, are made on old Colt machinery.
[/QUOTE]

Norinco ( China ) was made on machinery bought from Colt but are you sure about the Rock Island 1911. According to Armscor ( RIA ) they have their own CNC equipment.

sakeneko · 06-01-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

And a big black ugly bully dog roaming the house.

I bet that big black ugly bully dog would lick my hand if I said hi to him. ;-) (I'm fond of dogs and most of them return the favor.) He does look like he'd be useful in a self defense situation, though.

Claude Clay · 06-01-2009, 11:14 PM

gonna have to be spacklin & painting what for all the blood anyways--might as well do the #4 holes while i am at it

though anyone who can get past nipper, an aussie shepard, is likely to be immune to bullets

johnlives4christ · 06-01-2009, 11:26 PM

i would have to opt for the 45, mostly because the 45 is less muzzle flash and more controlable than the 357, and is more wieldy than a longgun. the ar or shotgun would both be good given that you didnt have to hold a light or go round doors or anything like that, if you see the barrel of a shotgun coming around the corner, you can grab/deflect the muzzle while shooting with a pistol. another reason i would choose a handgun over long is because, in a situation like this, it is possible you will take a round yourself, and if you took one to any part of your body you're going to feel far less like holding a 5 pound gun up than a 2 pound gun, you cannot point and fire a shotgun or ar effectively with one hand,

johnlives4christ · 06-01-2009, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powderhorn

AK47. Always works. Shove it up an elephant's butt for a year and it'll still work when it comes out. Run over it with a tank. It'll work. A Romanian WASR version will net you about $500 and a Yugoslavian M70 will be about $700. Things you shoot with an AK (7.62x39) will stay dead. You cant always say that about the .223 round.

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i disagree with a passion

, i dont think that any ak would survive being ran over by a tank. a vehical yes, but a tank no. steel tread doesnt give, neither does 50 tons, at the least it would crush the dust cover and distort the recoil spring guide rod, and most likely it would push the sides of that receiver together in a manner that it would bind the bolt carrier, and the pins and cause it to be inoperable

~john

kilogulf59 · 06-02-2009, 12:33 PM

"In a hypothetical situation you up stairs in your house at night and you hear some one or multiple people break in to your house. you open your gun safe and inside you have a choice of these firearms."

Shotgun hands down - in this type of situation. I station myself at or near the stair top and wait for the cavalry to arrive. This is a classic barricade situation and with buckshot or slugs, ain't no one getting by me.

Normally I would opt for the revolver, should I have to move about indoors. I have six sure ones and a long gun indoors is too cumbersome and easily disarmed.

Powderhorn · 06-02-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter45

Norinco ( China ) was made on machinery bought from Colt but are you sure about the Rock Island 1911. According to Armscor ( RIA ) they have their own CNC equipment.

I'm probably wrong about that, sorry. I'm still suffering from TBI due to a bad motorcycle crash a couple years ago, and cant remember things correctly sometimes. I remember reading about these having some connection with the old school .45s. I'll try to find out and get back to you.

05-03-2009, 07:22 PM	#26
Ed K V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 169	Re: Home Defense First telephone 911 than my 637 with laser sites and record the event and sleep well

05-03-2009, 08:09 PM	#27
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: Home Defense +1 shotgun __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

05-04-2009, 08:37 PM	#29
tim.sr V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: MI. Posts: 290	Re: Home Defense I will have to go with my baby 1911A1 one pull one kill. the wife and kids go in the kids room and I go on the hunt. rats come in but they dont get out. Tim.Sr US ARMY VET

05-05-2009, 10:16 AM	#30
islenos Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,244	Re: Home Defense 1911A1 in the magazine rack beside my recliner. S&W MP .45 in the night stand beside my bed. 870 12ga in the Kitchen. And a big black ugly bully dog roaming the house. __________________

05-05-2009, 02:28 PM	#31
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Home Defense Open the safe???????? __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

View Poll Results: Which one would you pick and why?
AR-15	6	17.14%
Benelli M4	11	31.43%
H&K USP .45 ACP	10	28.57%
S&W .357 Model 686	8	22.86%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

05-05-2009, 03:56 PM	#32
Powderhorn V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NH Posts: 165	Re: Home Defense Of the choices presented by the OP, I'd go with the revolver.

05-05-2009, 03:58 PM	#33
Teejay9 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southwest Corner of the US, "Where no stinking fence will stop us!!" Posts: 1,257	Re: Home Defense I'll put my vote in on the .45, though I'd rather have it in a 1911a1. Just personal preference, but it has never failed me. Big, that's some wild story!! I thought my mishaps were something, but that one takes the cake. Happy your still with us, friend. TJ

05-06-2009, 06:48 AM	#35
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,287	Re: Home Defense #1 any shotgun #2 .45 for close quarter maneuverability and fire power #3 AR, because I don't have neighbors Ditto TJ; my 1911 has never failed me - __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder Last edited by ampaterry; 05-06-2009 at 06:53 AM..

05-09-2009, 08:59 PM	#36
deserteagle Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1	Re: Home Defense SW 686 would be the first, from your list. But I would pick-up my 10-22 in a real dark house. Very low flash and almost no sound, to say nothing about more rounds and no shots going though the walls. Get past that then U deal with my 870.

05-13-2009, 08:24 PM	#37
goldenwings Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 27	Re: Home Defense 12 gauge 18 inch pump action shotgun----up close and the perfect weapon for home defense Most gunfights in the civilian world take place within 3 to 10 yards with 90% of rounds fired--missed using handguns Shotgun up close and very personal under extreme stressful situations as having bad guys break into your house.

05-14-2009, 12:40 AM	#38
noslolo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Johnstown PA Posts: 1,558	Re: Home Defense 686 because that is what I have, and it's done the job just fine! __________________ I'm a heck of a "obesito illegitimo"

05-28-2009, 01:33 PM	#39
bizy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marlow, Ok Posts: 344	Re: Home Defense S&W 357, Very dependable..

05-28-2009, 03:24 PM	#40
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Home Defense .45, less likely to travel any distances after shooting thru perp. __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

06-01-2009, 10:12 AM	#41
FM258 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27	Re: Home Defense AR-15 Benelli M4 H&K USP .45 ACP S&W .357 Model 686 Can anyone here throw a retail price on these? Thx

06-01-2009, 06:50 PM	#44
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,752	Re: Home Defense [/QUOTE] H&K... ptooey! They are way overrated plastic crap. Fill your fist with some steel, man! I recommend a Rock Island Armory 1911. For about $500 you will get a no-frills machine that will shoot like the dickens. My friend just hit the 10k mark on his. Good thing he reloads and casts his own bullets, or he'd be broke. By the way, these 1911s, are made on old Colt machinery. [/QUOTE] Norinco ( China ) was made on machinery bought from Colt but are you sure about the Rock Island 1911. According to Armscor ( RIA ) they have their own CNC equipment.

06-01-2009, 11:14 PM	#46
Claude Clay V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central CT Posts: 451	Re: Home Defense gonna have to be spacklin & painting what for all the blood anyways--might as well do the #4 holes while i am at it though anyone who can get past nipper, an aussie shepard, is likely to be immune to bullets Last edited by Claude Clay; 06-01-2009 at 11:17 PM..

06-01-2009, 11:26 PM	#47
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Home Defense i would have to opt for the 45, mostly because the 45 is less muzzle flash and more controlable than the 357, and is more wieldy than a longgun. the ar or shotgun would both be good given that you didnt have to hold a light or go round doors or anything like that, if you see the barrel of a shotgun coming around the corner, you can grab/deflect the muzzle while shooting with a pistol. another reason i would choose a handgun over long is because, in a situation like this, it is possible you will take a round yourself, and if you took one to any part of your body you're going to feel far less like holding a 5 pound gun up than a 2 pound gun, you cannot point and fire a shotgun or ar effectively with one hand,

06-02-2009, 12:33 PM	#49
kilogulf59 Former Guest Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 177	Re: Home Defense "In a hypothetical situation you up stairs in your house at night and you hear some one or multiple people break in to your house. you open your gun safe and inside you have a choice of these firearms." Shotgun hands down - in this type of situation. I station myself at or near the stair top and wait for the cavalry to arrive. This is a classic barricade situation and with buckshot or slugs, ain't no one getting by me. Normally I would opt for the revolver, should I have to move about indoors. I have six sure ones and a long gun indoors is too cumbersome and easily disarmed.