TFF politics sad but true! - The Firearms Forum

Tony22-250 · 05-01-2009, 05:08 AM

Ok here is the skinny from what i have noticed here on TFF. To tell you the truth IMHO the members of TFF have better, more informed, conservative views of all aspects of the US government than the US government its self!

Here is why. The members of TFF have families to support have normal jobs and are essentially the common working man effected by the decisions of our "leaders". Our country would be in better hands of people like us simply due to the fact we bring valid issues to the table and discuss them logically from all points of view skewed, informed, and other wise politically incorrect (i hate that saying). Most of the members of TFF have a respect for power and know when it is necessary to use it, and how to handle it safely because we have been taught safety and respect for our firearms. many of the TFF members are "in the loop", we recognize our problems that our government can't see because they are unaffected by our issues at hand because of political corruptness, irresponsible spending, and corporate greed / selfish interests.

The fact is that the members of TFF would run this country better if we stayed as the community that we are than our current government. I know its sad but true.

in a lower post

Here is the thing. If say hypothetically, the members of TFF were given control of the country it would not be advertised (to keep the members as people and not in the public eye), and members of the controlling party would continue working their normal jobs and not get payed more than they are making now (so all tax money goes back to helping the people and members don't get greedy and corrupt). It would be a secret society by the people for the people with an open forum or chat that the public would not be aware of (nothing official) so it would not get overwhelmed by 350 million Americans all trying to voice there opinion at once. It would be a covert government with no true LEADER. Only citizens that observer and report to each other and than make decisions based on the real world economics, national security, health care and general well being of the nation. all current agencies would still be in place such as the NSA, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, etc... only they would be reformed by the people. The members would be held in check by moderators (example, the forums,) which act more like referees. Public polls would be set up to make major decisions and all media would be reformed to show a non biased, educated opinion. We would have public speakers / representatives and they would be nothing more. Their only purpose would be to announce decisions to the media and the people that have been decided upon.

This would be a truly FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE government addressing issues of the nation for the nation while upholding the constitution which this country was founded on to the letter. If a system like this was enacted it would be like no government the world has ever seen. People would have nothing to fear but them selves because they are an independent entity unto them selves thus there decisions are decided by them. The common man would finally have a legitimate voice for his own future and this is what i believe in!

armedandsafe · 05-01-2009, 01:23 PM

Well said, Tony. I hope you are as accurate with that 22-250 as you are with this post.

Pops

45nut · 05-01-2009, 02:33 PM

Nah, I'm just as money and power hungry as they are, I just can't get any money or power!!!

Marlin T · 05-01-2009, 03:05 PM

Tony, after reading your post I really think you forgot something.

Most if not all members here have the utmost respect for the Constitution, not just in words either. This is very much not like those on the 'other' side of life.

Great post.
Marlin for President!!!!!! (The other Marlin)

Bruce FLinch · 05-01-2009, 10:26 PM

Give me Money & Power, The Libs can keep the change!

Tony22-250 · 05-02-2009, 06:23 AM

Now in original post

Here is the thing. If say hypothetically, the members of TFF were given control of the country it would not be advertised (to keep the members as people and not in the public eye), and members of the controlling party would continue working their normal jobs and not get payed more than they are making now (so all tax money goes back to helping the people and members don't get greedy and corrupt). It would be a secret society by the people for the people with an open forum or chat that the public would not be aware of (nothing official) so it would not get overwhelmed by 350 million Americans all trying to voice there opinion at once. It would be a covert government with no true LEADER. Only citizens that observer and report to each other and than make decisions based on the real world economics, national security, health care and general well being of the nation. all current agencies would still be in place such as the NSA, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, etc... only they would be reformed by the people. The members would be held in check by moderators (example, the forums,) which act more like referees. Public polls would be set up to make major decisions and all media would be reformed to show a non biased, educated opinion. We would have public speakers / representatives and they would be nothing more. Their only purpose would be to announce decisions to the media and the people that have been decided upon.

This would be a truly FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE government addressing issues of the nation for the nation while upholding the constitution which this country was founded on to the letter. If a system like this was enacted it would be like no government the world has ever seen. People would have nothing to fear but them selves because they are an independent entity unto them selves thus there decisions are decided by them. The common man would finally have a legitimate voice for his own future and this is what i believe in!

Tony22-250 · 05-02-2009, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by armedandsafe

Well said, Tony. I hope you are as accurate with that 22-250 as you are with this post.

Pops

Oh yes very accurate I have a LONG post about it in the small bore / large bore / shotguns section of the forum. 22-250 at 800 yards.

Tony22-250 · 05-02-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlin T

Tony, after reading your post I really think you forgot something.

Most if not all members here have the utmost respect for the Constitution, not just in words either. This is very much not like those on the 'other' side of life.

Great post.
Marlin for President!!!!!! (The other Marlin)

very true!

RunningOnMT · 05-02-2009, 03:36 PM

Pops for president. Art for Secretary of state. Delta for secretary of defense. Saddle sarge head of homeland security. Pistolenschutze for chief justice of the supreme court....and so on. Yeh, I can see it.

ponycar17 · 05-02-2009, 05:18 PM

I want the Treasury Secretary post.

Quote:

Give me the right to issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who governs the country.

-Meyer Amschal Rothschild, International banker

bcj1755 · 05-02-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Pops for president. Art for Secretary of state. Delta for secretary of defense. Saddle sarge head of homeland security. Pistolenschutze for chief justice of the supreme court....and so on. Yeh, I can see it.

Aww, but I want to be SecDef

Oh wait, my recomendation would be to bomb anyplace that harbors terrorists or pirates

I could be SecState...oh wait, I'd be telling representatives from other countries exactly what I think of them....hmmmm......Maybe I shouldn't have a gov't post

bcj1755 · 05-02-2009, 07:05 PM

I just thought of the perfect post for me...Ambassador to the UN

ponycar17 · 05-02-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bcj1755

I just thought of the perfect post for me...Ambassador to the UN

That would be a good post for you. If appointed, ask them upfront if you can place all your votes in advance so that your vacations can be planned more easily. If they ask how you know how you will vote, simply tell them, "all the votes will be NO regardless of the issue".

CampingJosh · 05-02-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bcj1755

I just thought of the perfect post for me...Ambassador to the UN

We could let you have it if you wanted, though I would probably be more apt to recommend a houseplant for the job. I think a fern would probably not make the UN any less productive than it is now.

Tony22-250 · 05-02-2009, 08:15 PM

HA HA the UN is such a JOKE they have no leverage and silly blue helmets.

bcj1755 · 05-02-2009, 10:25 PM

Woohoo! I'll be Ambassador to the UN!!!

Just wait until they start with one of their arms reduction treaties

I'd piss 'em all off, except Israel and the UK.

I"d give the Security Council a daily rendition of the theme from "Team America"

Tony22-250 · 05-03-2009, 11:00 PM

LOL TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE FTW!!!

Tony22-250 · 05-03-2009, 11:01 PM

JLA · 05-04-2009, 12:52 PM

doesnt it suck when you get a vision that is sooo perfect it feels like it really gonna happen. Its a wonderful thought, and I couldnt agree more...

delta13soultaker · 05-08-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Pops for president. Art for Secretary of state. Delta for secretary of defense. Saddle sarge head of homeland security. Pistolenschutze for chief justice of the supreme court....and so on. Yeh, I can see it.

I'd take the job if the following conditions were guaranteed:

Withdraw the US from the UN for no less than 4 years without explanation.

Provide Israel with stealth aircraft technology and current USAF/USN targeting technology.

We are still at war with North Korea and only address them when they need candy or their diaper changed. A prolonged series of conventional strategic strikes in order to destroy their infrastructure and draw out their massive obsolete ground forces to be decimated. We'll pay China to care for the refugees.

Law by Congress clearly defining piracy and terrorism punishable by hanging to death and cremation of remains upon conviction of the lowest level military tribunal recognized by UCMJ.

Law by Congress clearly defining that US service members have full immunity from extradition from the US for any service they performed while members of the US armed forces.

Trouble 45-70 · 05-08-2009, 08:51 PM

delta, how about feeding the carcases to the hogs. A twofer. One dead pirate and the honor of 72 virgins saved. Won't hurt the pigs, though I doubt if there is much neutritional value there. Mostly ruffage.

Tony22-250 · 05-09-2009, 04:39 AM

You know what. I think the country was founded by people like us and what it has become is a shame. I don't know about you guys but I'm tired of the Left wing, liberal BS that is tearing apart what this country was founded on. What ever happened to people fighting for what they believe in?

smokyhollowforge · 05-09-2009, 07:05 AM

delta,
I agree 150%, But I would add a few more conditions. One being no money to any country that does not support our views and end goals completely, That harbor or help terrorist in any way shape or form. I am sure there are others who could add to this. It just piss's me off that we give out money to other country's who could really give a crap about us anyway. Cut the money and see who cries!
Just my taxed 2 cents worth

TranterUK · 05-09-2009, 07:22 AM

Here's the problem, the sort of people who should be in politics dont want to be. The people who want to be in politics shouldn't be allowed a spiky toy.

20 years ago I had a conversation in Brasil. They told me it was too bad they had so much corruption. I said we had just as much, possibly more than them. We were just better at it. Its as true today.

Checkout the news section, its todays..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/index.html

ampaterry · 05-09-2009, 08:31 AM

GREAT post -

Make me Secretary of Education.
Keep the budget for my department unchanged.
Wait one generation.
All the nations problems will be solved.

As the Cajun Cook says, I Gar-on-tee!

05-01-2009, 05:08 AM	#1
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	TFF politics sad but true! Ok here is the skinny from what i have noticed here on TFF. To tell you the truth IMHO the members of TFF have better, more informed, conservative views of all aspects of the US government than the US government its self! Here is why. The members of TFF have families to support have normal jobs and are essentially the common working man effected by the decisions of our "leaders". Our country would be in better hands of people like us simply due to the fact we bring valid issues to the table and discuss them logically from all points of view skewed, informed, and other wise politically incorrect (i hate that saying). Most of the members of TFF have a respect for power and know when it is necessary to use it, and how to handle it safely because we have been taught safety and respect for our firearms. many of the TFF members are "in the loop", we recognize our problems that our government can't see because they are unaffected by our issues at hand because of political corruptness, irresponsible spending, and corporate greed / selfish interests. The fact is that the members of TFF would run this country better if we stayed as the community that we are than our current government. I know its sad but true. in a lower post Here is the thing. If say hypothetically, the members of TFF were given control of the country it would not be advertised (to keep the members as people and not in the public eye), and members of the controlling party would continue working their normal jobs and not get payed more than they are making now (so all tax money goes back to helping the people and members don't get greedy and corrupt). It would be a secret society by the people for the people with an open forum or chat that the public would not be aware of (nothing official) so it would not get overwhelmed by 350 million Americans all trying to voice there opinion at once. It would be a covert government with no true LEADER. Only citizens that observer and report to each other and than make decisions based on the real world economics, national security, health care and general well being of the nation. all current agencies would still be in place such as the NSA, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, etc... only they would be reformed by the people. The members would be held in check by moderators (example, the forums,) which act more like referees. Public polls would be set up to make major decisions and all media would be reformed to show a non biased, educated opinion. We would have public speakers / representatives and they would be nothing more. Their only purpose would be to announce decisions to the media and the people that have been decided upon. This would be a truly FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE government addressing issues of the nation for the nation while upholding the constitution which this country was founded on to the letter. If a system like this was enacted it would be like no government the world has ever seen. People would have nothing to fear but them selves because they are an independent entity unto them selves thus there decisions are decided by them. The common man would finally have a legitimate voice for his own future and this is what i believe in! __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson --> Last edited by Tony22-250; 05-02-2009 at 03:18 PM.. Reason: merging posts

05-01-2009, 01:23 PM	#2
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Well said, Tony. I hope you are as accurate with that 22-250 as you are with this post. Pops

05-01-2009, 02:33 PM	#3
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Nah, I'm just as money and power hungry as they are, I just can't *get* any money or power!!! __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

05-01-2009, 03:05 PM	#4
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Tony, after reading your post I really think you forgot something. Most if not all members here have the utmost respect for the Constitution, not just in words either. This is very much not like those on the 'other' side of life. Great post. Marlin for President!!!!!! (The other Marlin) __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

05-01-2009, 10:26 PM	#5
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Give me Money & Power, The Libs can keep the change! __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

05-02-2009, 06:23 AM	#6
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Now in original post Here is the thing. If say hypothetically, the members of TFF were given control of the country it would not be advertised (to keep the members as people and not in the public eye), and members of the controlling party would continue working their normal jobs and not get payed more than they are making now (so all tax money goes back to helping the people and members don't get greedy and corrupt). It would be a secret society by the people for the people with an open forum or chat that the public would not be aware of (nothing official) so it would not get overwhelmed by 350 million Americans all trying to voice there opinion at once. It would be a covert government with no true LEADER. Only citizens that observer and report to each other and than make decisions based on the real world economics, national security, health care and general well being of the nation. all current agencies would still be in place such as the NSA, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, etc... only they would be reformed by the people. The members would be held in check by moderators (example, the forums,) which act more like referees. Public polls would be set up to make major decisions and all media would be reformed to show a non biased, educated opinion. We would have public speakers / representatives and they would be nothing more. Their only purpose would be to announce decisions to the media and the people that have been decided upon. This would be a truly FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE government addressing issues of the nation for the nation while upholding the constitution which this country was founded on to the letter. If a system like this was enacted it would be like no government the world has ever seen. People would have nothing to fear but them selves because they are an independent entity unto them selves thus there decisions are decided by them. The common man would finally have a legitimate voice for his own future and this is what i believe in! __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Tony22-250; 05-02-2009 at 03:20 PM.. Reason: now in OP

05-02-2009, 03:36 PM	#9
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Pops for president. Art for Secretary of state. Delta for secretary of defense. Saddle sarge head of homeland security. Pistolenschutze for chief justice of the supreme court....and so on. Yeh, I can see it.

05-02-2009, 07:05 PM	#12
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: TFF politics sad but true! I just thought of the perfect post for me...Ambassador to the UN __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

05-02-2009, 08:15 PM	#15
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: TFF politics sad but true! HA HA the UN is such a JOKE they have no leverage and silly blue helmets. __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

05-02-2009, 10:25 PM	#16
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Woohoo! I'll be Ambassador to the UN!!! Just wait until they start with one of their arms reduction treaties I'd piss 'em all off, except Israel and the UK.I"d give the Security Council a daily rendition of the theme from "Team America" __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

05-03-2009, 11:00 PM	#17
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: TFF politics sad but true! LOL TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE FTW!!! __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

05-03-2009, 11:01 PM	#18
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: TFF politics sad but true! __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

05-04-2009, 12:52 PM	#19
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: TFF politics sad but true! doesnt it suck when you get a vision that is sooo perfect it feels like it really gonna happen. Its a wonderful thought, and I couldnt agree more... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

05-08-2009, 08:51 PM	#21
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: TFF politics sad but true! delta, how about feeding the carcases to the hogs. A twofer. One dead pirate and the honor of 72 virgins saved. Won't hurt the pigs, though I doubt if there is much neutritional value there. Mostly ruffage. Last edited by Trouble 45-70; 05-08-2009 at 08:54 PM..

05-09-2009, 04:39 AM	#22
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: TFF politics sad but true! You know what. I think the country was founded by people like us and what it has become is a shame. I don't know about you guys but I'm tired of the Left wing, liberal BS that is tearing apart what this country was founded on. What ever happened to people fighting for what they believe in? __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

05-09-2009, 07:05 AM	#23
smokyhollowforge V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 73	Re: TFF politics sad but true! delta, I agree 150%, But I would add a few more conditions. One being no money to any country that does not support our views and end goals completely, That harbor or help terrorist in any way shape or form. I am sure there are others who could add to this. It just piss's me off that we give out money to other country's who could really give a crap about us anyway. Cut the money and see who cries! Just my taxed 2 cents worth __________________ "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold,dead hands from around it" Charlton Heston, May 20th 2000, 129 NRA Convention

05-09-2009, 07:22 AM	#24
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: TFF politics sad but true! Here's the problem, the sort of people who should be in politics dont want to be. The people who want to be in politics shouldn't be allowed a spiky toy. 20 years ago I had a conversation in Brasil. They told me it was too bad they had so much corruption. I said we had just as much, possibly more than them. We were just better at it. Its as true today. Checkout the news section, its todays.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/index.html __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 05-09-2009 at 07:27 AM..

05-09-2009, 08:31 AM	#25
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,281	Re: TFF politics sad but true! GREAT post - Make me Secretary of Education. Keep the budget for my department unchanged. Wait one generation. All the nations problems will be solved. As the Cajun Cook says, I Gar-on-tee! __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder