Mishap at range today and pics - The Firearms Forum

JUNKKING · 05-07-2009, 01:55 PM

I went to the range today first time in 3 weeks due to work and rain. I was shooting my MKIII and somehow there was a round in the chamber and the bolt forced another round into the rimfire and it went off. I didn't get hurt just felt a little heat on my hand and alot of smoke. Anyone ever have this happen to them? The pics are of the bullet that pushed and the round that split and went off with bolt open. the guns are my MKIII with the red dot and MKII open sights. The targets are 50 yards the center target is open sights and the two three inch are with the red dot. Using a box from an empty brick as a rest.

Dirtypacman · 05-07-2009, 02:19 PM

I am glad you were not hurt. Anything larger then .22 you may not have been so lucky. Good to see the MKIII was not damaged, I would still recommend having a gunsmith look at it for the just in case.

JUNKKING · 05-07-2009, 02:23 PM

I think it was the ammo dirty. I was advised by Ruger not to use Remngton golden bullet and I had about 75 left so I did it anyway. This happened on the twelth round. After checking everything I switched ammo and fired another 550 cci blazers with not a problem.

Dirtypacman · 05-07-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JUNKKING

I think it was the ammo dirty. I was advised by Ruger not to use Remngton golden bullet and I had about 75 left so I did it anyway. This happened on the twelth round. After checking everything I switched ammo and fired another 550 cci blazers with not a problem.

Well that answers the question on if its suitable to fire through again.
Nice shooting by the way

pinecone70 · 05-07-2009, 02:40 PM

Dang! Well, my handful of remaining golden bullets are going into my revolver for sure....

Glad you just got a little warm!

fedupdon · 05-07-2009, 02:46 PM

had something like that happen only mine happened with the gun was out of battery and remminton just blew off my complaint

PPK 32 · 05-07-2009, 02:59 PM

I won't use Remmington .22s in anything, way too many problems.

CampingJosh · 05-07-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PPK 32

I won't use Remmington .22s in anything, way too many problems.

This is where I'm getting to be, too. I like their centerfire ammo (what little I've used), and I'm a big fan of many of their firearms, but the rimfire stuff just doesn't seem to be any good anymore.

pickenup · 05-07-2009, 04:47 PM

Glad to hear you didn't get hurt.

I will have to see if I have any of that ammo.

PPK 32 · 05-07-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

This is where I'm getting to be, too. I like their centerfire ammo (what little I've used), and I'm a big fan of many of their firearms, but the rimfire stuff just doesn't seem to be any good anymore.

I have no gripes on the centerfire ammo either but the rimfire stuff is ridiculously poor quality. This is the first time I have seen this problem. Glad no one got hurt.

gdmoody · 05-08-2009, 12:14 AM

Junk, glad you didn't get hurt and it sounds like the pistol came through it in good shape, too. Oh man, I think the three bricks of .22 I bought last week were Remington!

ARB · 05-08-2009, 09:57 AM

My remington golds have caused a lot of malfunctions. I'm trying to eek my way through the rest of the brick. What else can I do, you know?

pinecone70 · 05-08-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ARB

My remington golds have caused a lot of malfunctions. I'm trying to eek my way through the rest of the brick. What else can I do, you know?

Um, accidentally leave them at the range? (I've done that....)

JUNKKING · 05-08-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ARB

My remington golds have caused a lot of malfunctions. I'm trying to eek my way through the rest of the brick. What else can I do, you know?

I actually gave them to a neighbor. I had two more bricks here that I was saving for him. He has a WASR in 22lr and it will eat anything, He can deal with the problems. I told and showed him what happened to me last night and he still took them. I think sometime people will shrug safety for a dollar. Not me. JUNK

ARB · 05-08-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

Um, accidentally leave them at the range? (I've done that....)

Unfortunately, I'm too stubborn. Thinking,"I know they all can't be bad". ERRR!

pinecone70 · 05-08-2009, 08:02 PM

Haha! Last time I was at the range, I found seven .22 shells in the parking lot--six of them fired and I was laughing away! I bet somebody thought they were awful!

LDBennett · 05-09-2009, 07:02 AM

Did anyone see the Mythbusters this week where they beat on centerfire cases (empty, of course, except for the primer) to see if it was possible to set off the primer with a hit from a gun butt. The cartridge case heads were so beat up that it was hard to tell that the piece of brass was originally a cartridge case AND the primers did not go off. I winced seeing the guns so horrible mistreated!

Of course, that obviously would not be the case on a rimfire round as noted above when a soft lead bullet was force against the rim of a live round in the chamber and the chambered round went off.

LDBennett

millman · 05-09-2009, 11:00 AM

How did this happen? Did the gun double feed? Or was there a dud and you hand racked the slide and it went off?

JUNKKING · 05-09-2009, 03:24 PM

I think the gun had a double feed not too sure it happened too fast.

ampaterry · 05-09-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by millman

How did this happen? Did the gun double feed? Or was there a dud and you hand racked the slide and it went off?

I was trying to figure that out also -
A live one in the chamber, and another one hit it and set it off?

TOOHSOTKIL · 05-10-2009, 11:50 AM

That is a out of battery firing. And it is very common with that ammo. As stated change ammo; but remember this pistol should not fire out of battery.
This is easy to check for a defective or unclean trigger group.

EMPTY GUN AND MAGAZINE, cock gun without magazine and then insert it.
We all love this worthless safety feature, no magazine, no fire.

Pull the bolt back just a little and pull the trigger, continue bacl and forth and see where and when it will and will not fire. A small amount of gap is somewhat acceptable, beyond that is not.

Glad you wern`t hurt....most times the ears ring.

JUNKKING · 05-10-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TOOHSOTKIL

That is a out of battery firing. And it is very common with that ammo. As stated change ammo; but remember this pistol should not fire out of battery.
This is easy to check for a defective or unclean trigger group.

EMPTY GUN AND MAGAZINE, cock gun without magazine and then insert it.
We all love this worthless safety feature, no magazine, no fire.

Pull the bolt back just a little and pull the trigger, continue bacl and forth and see where and when it will and will not fire. A small amount of gap is somewhat acceptable, beyond that is not.

Glad you wern`t hurt....most times the ears ring.

Thanks for this information, Why does it happen? Is it a problem with the gun or just the ammo? How does it happen. Like someone above mentioned how was it that one chambered then another fed on me? Like I stated It happened quick and I really wasn't watching the bolt as I wasn't expecting something like this to happen. I did watch the bolt in many of the following rounds and nothing peculiar seemed to be going on. Thanks, JUNK

TOOHSOTKIL · 05-10-2009, 12:34 PM

The gun simply fired the chambered round (out of battery) and cycled as it should and the bolt went back and picked up the next round jamming it.
Generally some trash has fallen down in the trigger group and a good cleaning will remove it; but again it should not fire out of battery. Sometimes it`s just a fluke, I have had many over the years and all different brands from cheapo`s to high dollar pistols and a lot of rifles.

Centerfire too, and that will get you attention!

Remington Golden bullets in my opinion are simply the worst .22 on the market and have been for over a decade, if there was or is one thing I would tell folks of rimfire.......even at $1.00 a brick...........walk by and never look back.

I would clean the pistol very well, get some good ammo and give it another try, shooting glasses please,

JUNKKING · 05-10-2009, 05:19 PM

ty I always wear glasses when I shoot, I had some magazine problems before and ruger themselves told me not to use remington golden bullets. The lady I spoke with actually asked me were you using golden bullets by chance? and thats when she told me not to use them. I had a few left and I figured why not now I know why. Thanks for the info, The gun did fire ok with federal ammo after that incident the same day. JUNK

ucountmein · 05-26-2009, 07:57 AM

I had a different type of problem. Upon firing a round of CCI mini-mag ammo, there was quite a bit of smoke. A second round would not chamber. Upon further investigation I discovered that the rim of the fired round blew off and the case remained inside the barrel. The second round round could not chamber because of the reduced inside diameter of the barrel caused by the stuck casing. After removing the stuck case everything seemed to function fine. This was the first and I hope the last time this will happen.

05-07-2009, 01:55 PM	#1
JUNKKING Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just East of Pittsburgh PA Contributor Posts: 1,769	Mishap at range today and pics I went to the range today first time in 3 weeks due to work and rain. I was shooting my MKIII and somehow there was a round in the chamber and the bolt forced another round into the rimfire and it went off. I didn't get hurt just felt a little heat on my hand and alot of smoke. Anyone ever have this happen to them? The pics are of the bullet that pushed and the round that split and went off with bolt open. the guns are my MKIII with the red dot and MKII open sights. The targets are 50 yards the center target is open sights and the two three inch are with the red dot. Using a box from an empty brick as a rest. Attached Images __________________ Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again! -->

05-07-2009, 02:19 PM	#2
Dirtypacman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Merrimac Valley, MA Posts: 908	Re: Mishap at range today and pics I am glad you were not hurt. Anything larger then .22 you may not have been so lucky. Good to see the MKIII was not damaged, I would still recommend having a gunsmith look at it for the just in case. __________________ Member HHRG and HSC, NRA Life Member, GOAL Member LTC-A

05-07-2009, 02:23 PM	#3
JUNKKING Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just East of Pittsburgh PA Contributor Posts: 1,769	Re: Mishap at range today and pics I think it was the ammo dirty. I was advised by Ruger not to use Remngton golden bullet and I had about 75 left so I did it anyway. This happened on the twelth round. After checking everything I switched ammo and fired another 550 cci blazers with not a problem. __________________ Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again!

05-07-2009, 02:40 PM	#5
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: Mishap at range today and pics Dang! Well, my handful of remaining golden bullets are going into my revolver for sure.... Glad you just got a little warm! __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

05-07-2009, 02:46 PM	#6
fedupdon V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 307	Re: Mishap at range today and pics had something like that happen only mine happened with the gun was out of battery and remminton just blew off my complaint

05-07-2009, 02:59 PM	#7
PPK 32 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Frickin, Illinois Posts: 1,170	Re: Mishap at range today and pics I won't use Remmington .22s in anything, way too many problems. __________________ -Every road leads to a town, every town has a tavern, therefore you are never really lost. -If you are gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough. Jim Parrish

05-07-2009, 04:47 PM	#9
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,837	Re: Mishap at range today and pics Glad to hear you didn't get hurt. I will have to see if I have any of that ammo. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

05-08-2009, 12:14 AM	#11
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,311	Re: Mishap at range today and pics Junk, glad you didn't get hurt and it sounds like the pistol came through it in good shape, too. Oh man, I think the three bricks of .22 I bought last week were Remington! __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

05-08-2009, 09:57 AM	#12
ARB Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 1,184	Re: Mishap at range today and pics My remington golds have caused a lot of malfunctions. I'm trying to eek my way through the rest of the brick. What else can I do, you know?

05-08-2009, 08:02 PM	#16
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: Mishap at range today and pics Haha! Last time I was at the range, I found seven .22 shells in the parking lot--six of them fired and I was laughing away! I bet somebody thought they were awful! __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

05-09-2009, 07:02 AM	#17
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,711	Re: Mishap at range today and pics Did anyone see the Mythbusters this week where they beat on centerfire cases (empty, of course, except for the primer) to see if it was possible to set off the primer with a hit from a gun butt. The cartridge case heads were so beat up that it was hard to tell that the piece of brass was originally a cartridge case AND the primers did not go off. I winced seeing the guns so horrible mistreated! Of course, that obviously would not be the case on a rimfire round as noted above when a soft lead bullet was force against the rim of a live round in the chamber and the chambered round went off. LDBennett

05-09-2009, 11:00 AM	#18
millman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 80	Re: Mishap at range today and pics How did this happen? Did the gun double feed? Or was there a dud and you hand racked the slide and it went off?

05-09-2009, 03:24 PM	#19
JUNKKING Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just East of Pittsburgh PA Contributor Posts: 1,769	Re: Mishap at range today and pics I think the gun had a double feed not too sure it happened too fast. __________________ Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again!

05-10-2009, 11:50 AM	#21
TOOHSOTKIL V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Curracus Posts: 318	Re: Mishap at range today and pics That is a out of battery firing. And it is very common with that ammo. As stated change ammo; but remember this pistol should not fire out of battery. This is easy to check for a defective or unclean trigger group. EMPTY GUN AND MAGAZINE, cock gun without magazine and then insert it. We all love this worthless safety feature, no magazine, no fire. Pull the bolt back just a little and pull the trigger, continue bacl and forth and see where and when it will and will not fire. A small amount of gap is somewhat acceptable, beyond that is not. Glad you wern`t hurt....most times the ears ring.

05-10-2009, 12:34 PM	#23
TOOHSOTKIL V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Curracus Posts: 318	Re: Mishap at range today and pics The gun simply fired the chambered round (out of battery) and cycled as it should and the bolt went back and picked up the next round jamming it. Generally some trash has fallen down in the trigger group and a good cleaning will remove it; but again it should not fire out of battery. Sometimes it`s just a fluke, I have had many over the years and all different brands from cheapo`s to high dollar pistols and a lot of rifles. Centerfire too, and that will get you attention! Remington Golden bullets in my opinion are simply the worst .22 on the market and have been for over a decade, if there was or is one thing I would tell folks of rimfire.......even at $1.00 a brick...........walk by and never look back. I would clean the pistol very well, get some good ammo and give it another try, shooting glasses please,

05-10-2009, 05:19 PM	#24
JUNKKING Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just East of Pittsburgh PA Contributor Posts: 1,769	Re: Mishap at range today and pics ty I always wear glasses when I shoot, I had some magazine problems before and ruger themselves told me not to use remington golden bullets. The lady I spoke with actually asked me were you using golden bullets by chance? and thats when she told me not to use them. I had a few left and I figured why not now I know why. Thanks for the info, The gun did fire ok with federal ammo after that incident the same day. JUNK __________________ Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again!

05-26-2009, 07:57 AM	#25
ucountmein Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8	Re: Mishap at range today and pics I had a different type of problem. Upon firing a round of CCI mini-mag ammo, there was quite a bit of smoke. A second round would not chamber. Upon further investigation I discovered that the rim of the fired round blew off and the case remained inside the barrel. The second round round could not chamber because of the reduced inside diameter of the barrel caused by the stuck casing. After removing the stuck case everything seemed to function fine. This was the first and I hope the last time this will happen.