State Rights - The Firearms Forum

Double Deuce · 02-02-2010, 02:44 PM

Hopefully this will be passed in UT and catch on in other states.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9550878

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Guns made and kept in Utah would be exempt from federal regulations under a measure the Utah Senate has initially approved.

Senate Bill 11 mirrors one signed into law in Montana last year that's intended to trigger a federal court battle.

The Senate approved the bill Tuesday 19-10. It needs one more formal vote before advancing to the House.

The goal is to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce, which is the legal basis for most gun regulation in the United States.

Efforts to bypass that authority have been heard before by the U.S. Supreme Court.

In 2005, the court upheld federal regulation of marijuana in California, even if its use is limited to noncommercial purposes and is grown and used within a state's borders.

wpage · 02-14-2010, 12:17 PM

Sounds neat. Don t think it will work in Northeast

armedandsafe · 02-14-2010, 06:48 PM

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The goal is to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce,

Intrastate commerce. Subtle difference, yes, but important.

There is a court case floating about out there somewhere where a farmer was held to be liable under "interstate commerce" regulations because he grew his own wheat for his own chicken's consumption.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Wickard_v._Filburn

Pops

chuckusaret · 02-16-2010, 09:51 AM

My state, Florida, and many other states are doing the same.

lockednloaded45 · 02-17-2010, 10:51 AM

Until we stop taking fed money we will always be slaves to the fed. Here is part of a conversation from an article at tenthammendment.com .

"Glen Warchol ran what is perhaps the shortest piece seen in the Salt Lake Tribune in recent history. In 10th Amendment cold turkey he quickly leaves us with the truth about what we are asking for and how we must accomplish it. He describes a very brief conversation between U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Rep. Chaffetz asked what it would take for the federal government to recognize the 10th Amendment rights of the states, a fair question asked to someone who could truly articulate the answer. “Stop taking their money,” is the answer Warchol reports and it is an answer known to be the true, root challenge. We must stop taking the money and mimicking the income tax system as a start to reclaiming sovereignty."

Will it be painful, yep to some extent.
Can we do it, yep, but we have to change the way we live and get rid of entitlements. No more handouts.
It actually means resetting back to earler times. I know alot of people would not have the stomach for it.
Just my 2 cents )

Doug.38PR · 02-22-2010, 01:29 PM

wish Louisiana would do the same thing

Trouble 45-70 · 02-23-2010, 08:59 AM

Second that Doug and Arkansas too.

Double Deuce · 02-23-2010, 10:17 AM

Just an update the Bill did pass.

45nut · 02-23-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug.38PR

wish Louisiana would do the same thing

I wish the Republic of Texas would do it too. But Rick "The Hairdo" Perry ain't man enough to do it, he likes Fedzilla's money too much. Debra Medina is man enough to do it and start the nullification process of Fedzilla's power in Texas.

islenos · 03-01-2010, 03:49 PM

The fed gets it's money from the states, then doles it back to the states with little strings attached. So Fedzilla's money is really ours, so why not get some of it back.

To stop the fed, the States need to stop sending in our tax dollars. If every state refuses to send the fed the tax dollars collected for the month, the fed would go broke within the week.

kingcuke · 03-07-2010, 01:25 PM

What is the forum's consensus on the subject of paramount national citizenship? This revolves around the 14th Amendment privileges and immunities clause which the court pretty much ignores based on stare decisis of the Slaughter House ruling in 1873.
My pocket constitution starts out "We the People of the United States"
States Rights is a very sticky issue if for no other reason the term state, much like the term militia in the 2cd, wasn't used the same way then as it is now.
At the time of the Constitution there were essentially 13 independent sovereign nations, not much of a bible reader, but there's that bit about serving two masters. Can a sovereign government exist under another authority without being subservient to that authority?
Wouldn't it be nice if the Bill of Rights applied to all citizens everywhere and in all regards both civil and business?

02-02-2010, 02:44 PM	#1
Double Deuce V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 313	State Rights Hopefully this will be passed in UT and catch on in other states. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9550878 SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Guns made and kept in Utah would be exempt from federal regulations under a measure the Utah Senate has initially approved. Senate Bill 11 mirrors one signed into law in Montana last year that's intended to trigger a federal court battle. The Senate approved the bill Tuesday 19-10. It needs one more formal vote before advancing to the House. The goal is to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce, which is the legal basis for most gun regulation in the United States. Efforts to bypass that authority have been heard before by the U.S. Supreme Court. In 2005, the court upheld federal regulation of marijuana in California, even if its use is limited to noncommercial purposes and is grown and used within a state's borders. -->

02-14-2010, 12:17 PM	#2
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: State Rights Sounds neat. Don t think it will work in Northeast __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W

02-16-2010, 09:51 AM	#4
chuckusaret V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Palm Beach County Florida Posts: 66	Re: State Rights My state, Florida, and many other states are doing the same.

02-17-2010, 10:51 AM	#5
lockednloaded45 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: southcentral MO Posts: 54	Re: State Rights Until we stop taking fed money we will always be slaves to the fed. Here is part of a conversation from an article at tenthammendment.com . "Glen Warchol ran what is perhaps the shortest piece seen in the Salt Lake Tribune in recent history. In 10th Amendment cold turkey he quickly leaves us with the truth about what we are asking for and how we must accomplish it. He describes a very brief conversation between U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Rep. Chaffetz asked what it would take for the federal government to recognize the 10th Amendment rights of the states, a fair question asked to someone who could truly articulate the answer. “Stop taking their money,” is the answer Warchol reports and it is an answer known to be the true, root challenge. We must stop taking the money and mimicking the income tax system as a start to reclaiming sovereignty." Will it be painful, yep to some extent. Can we do it, yep, but we have to change the way we live and get rid of entitlements. No more handouts. It actually means resetting back to earler times. I know alot of people would not have the stomach for it. Just my 2 cents ) __________________ "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

02-22-2010, 01:29 PM	#6
Doug.38PR V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 246	Re: State Rights wish Louisiana would do the same thing

02-23-2010, 08:59 AM	#7
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: State Rights Second that Doug and Arkansas too. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

02-23-2010, 10:17 AM	#8
Double Deuce V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 313	Re: State Rights Just an update the Bill did pass.

03-01-2010, 03:49 PM	#10
islenos Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,244	Re: State Rights The fed gets it's money from the states, then doles it back to the states with little strings attached. So Fedzilla's money is really ours, so why not get some of it back. To stop the fed, the States need to stop sending in our tax dollars. If every state refuses to send the fed the tax dollars collected for the month, the fed would go broke within the week. __________________

03-07-2010, 01:25 PM	#11
kingcuke V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cucumber Island Posts: 154	Re: State Rights What is the forum's consensus on the subject of paramount national citizenship? This revolves around the 14th Amendment privileges and immunities clause which the court pretty much ignores based on stare decisis of the Slaughter House ruling in 1873. My pocket constitution starts out "We the People of the United States" States Rights is a very sticky issue if for no other reason the term state, much like the term militia in the 2cd, wasn't used the same way then as it is now. At the time of the Constitution there were essentially 13 independent sovereign nations, not much of a bible reader, but there's that bit about serving two masters. Can a sovereign government exist under another authority without being subservient to that authority? Wouldn't it be nice if the Bill of Rights applied to all citizens everywhere and in all regards both civil and business? __________________ Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good. H. L. Mencken It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen. George MacDonald