Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel

woolleyworm · 05-24-2009, 01:06 AM

With all the problems of finding primers, I decided to order some of the pre-primed Federal cases from a little ole company up in TN. I got them in last night and started inspecting them today, getting ready to load some up for next week......... upon inspection, I discover that it's pre-lubed !! Nowhere did it say in the product description that these were pre-lubed with a porn-star sized serving of lube. I went ahead and proceeded forward anyways.......... now I've got the krud all over my expander die and I'm in the process of cleaning it. The stuff they put in there is the thickest lube I've ever seen,
Anyone have any ideas on what to do about this problem? I can't very well keep cleaning my dies every 2nd round. If they weren't already primed, I'd give them a thorough cleaning, but I really don't want to throw away 200 precious primers. I tried expanding as little as possible to get a bare minimum amount to set the bullet, but it still fouls the die too much.

gdmoody · 05-24-2009, 07:27 AM

Just a thought, would tumbling them help any?

carver · 05-24-2009, 10:05 AM

My thought too. Might mess up the medium, but if it works, it might be worth it.

cycloneman · 05-24-2009, 12:10 PM

Ive seen lead bullets lubed before. But educate me please, why would you lube a case?

Oneida Steve · 05-24-2009, 09:59 PM

+1 with cycloneman. I've never seen cases like the ones you described. It sounds to me like someone at the factory forgot to degrease those cases.

woolleyworm · 05-25-2009, 01:42 PM

I have no idea why these are lubed, there is a uniform ( and very thick ) ring of lube around the inside of the case at the mouth, approx 3/16" into the case. I'm hesitant to tumble them due to them being pre-primed and fouling the flash hole. The stuff is incredibly difficult to clean off the dies, only way I've found to clean the stuff off completely is a sparing amount of #9 and a Q-tip. I don't really care for the idea of any solvents near my dies either.............. needless to say, I'm not going to order any more of the Federal pre-primed. Thanks for the responses, I've never seen anything like this either; really has me scratching my head and thinking wth, wth, wth.

Semper Fi,

Woolley

cycloneman · 05-25-2009, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woolleyworm

I have no idea why these are lubed, there is a uniform ( and very thick ) ring of lube around the inside of the case at the mouth, approx 3/16" into the case. I'm hesitant to tumble them due to them being pre-primed and fouling the flash hole. The stuff is incredibly difficult to clean off the dies, only way I've found to clean the stuff off completely is a sparing amount of #9 and a Q-tip. I don't really care for the idea of any solvents near my dies either.............. needless to say, I'm not going to order any more of the Federal pre-primed. Thanks for the responses, I've never seen anything like this either; really has me scratching my head and thinking wth, wth, wth.

Semper Fi,

Woolley

you know, you dont want to get solvent or oil close to your primer, you will compromise them. Which brings me back to my original question why would they send you lubed cases? Strange, i just dont get it.

woolleyworm · 05-25-2009, 11:26 PM

[QUOTE=woolleyworm;448135] If they weren't already primed, I'd give them a thorough cleaning, but I really don't want to throw away 200 precious primers. QUOTE]

I am keeping the primers well away from anything wet. I've been disassembling the die when I cleaned it and then very very thouroughly (sp?) dryed it.

I have NO idea why they would lube them like that or my biggest question, which i did send a email to customer svc, Why wasn't this listed in the item description?? A slight oversight on their part I do think. I've got the idea to put them into my ZipTrim and heat them to about 200-250 with a very small butane torch. The low heat should not affect the temper at all and I'm hoping it will melt out. I'll attempt this on my next day off, Sun. Keep u posted.

jacksonco · 05-26-2009, 01:05 AM

[QUOTE=woolleyworm;448964]

Quote:

Originally Posted by woolleyworm

If they weren't already primed, I'd give them a thorough cleaning, but I really don't want to throw away 200 precious primers. QUOTE]

I am keeping the primers well away from anything wet. I've been disassembling the die when I cleaned it and then very very thouroughly (sp?) dryed it.

I have NO idea why they would lube them like that or my biggest question, which i did send a email to customer svc, Why wasn't this listed in the item description?? A slight oversight on their part I do think. I've got the idea to put them into my ZipTrim and heat them to about 200-250 with a very small butane torch. The low heat should not affect the temper at all and I'm hoping it will melt out. I'll attempt this on my next day off, Sun. Keep u posted.

Sorry about your misfortune. I will definately keep this in mind anytime I get the urge to order primed shell casings from Fedeal.

Thanks for the heads up!

woolleyworm · 06-01-2009, 09:47 PM

Update - The rounds that I did manage to get expanded and loaded have now been fired........ and there is still residue inside the case mouth. I have since tried to find a melting point for this stuff, I've come to the conclusion that it is NOT a lube, but rather a sealant. I've got an email into Federal, but no response back yet. I have found that a Q-tip with some isopropyl does manage to clean it out, so I'm going to do a little research on any possible side effects of using the isopropyl on the nickel cases. I'll keep everyone posted on Federals response, if they do answer back. Under no circumstances whatsoever, would I buy any of this again, what a royal pain in the kester!

woolleyworm · 06-03-2009, 04:36 PM

Got reply back from Federal

"Chris:

The ring is sealant and that is how we load those cartridge cases on our
equipment.

When removing the sealant, use caution so that it doesn't contaminate
the primer.

Thank You
Federal Premium
"

MY REPLY -

Dear Federal, Well, no poop ($%^&) that I've got to be careful not to contaminate the primer.............. how about a suggestion on what will get it out of there????????

Terry_P · 06-03-2009, 07:34 PM

What are they sealing inside the case mouth the bullet to the case? It's nonsense.

woolleyworm · 06-03-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry_P

What are they sealing inside the case mouth the bullet to the case? It's nonsense.

these are +P cases, so I'm assuming that Federal is using them for defense loads. still... no need to seal the bullet inside the mouth IMO.

wish i could get a pic of these, but it hasn't turned out well enough to see, so I'm giving up. if u were to look inside the mouth, there is a 3/16" ring of this krud.

woolleyworm · 07-10-2009, 07:18 PM

Well, I finally got a workable ( i'll refrain from calling it a decent ) solution to this problem. I left the sealant alone and am single staging them on my chucker. A real pain in the butt.

Even the once fired's that I've got has some residue in left behind. I can give it a quick clean a Q-tip and solvent and the case is clean enough not to foul up my dies for the second time around.

Seating is very slow, I've got to line that sucker up dead nutz and then seat it slowly in order not to shave any jacketing off. Been going pretty well though, all things considered. I certainly wouldn't buy anymore of these, even if they were .05 a piece.

bama · 07-11-2009, 01:56 AM

Bought 1000 rds of same from same source and the primed cases are without any lube. All is pristine. Maybe the issue was mixing what was to be used internally and what was shipped as primed brass only.

05-24-2009, 01:06 AM	#1
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,882	Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel With all the problems of finding primers, I decided to order some of the pre-primed Federal cases from a little ole company up in TN. I got them in last night and started inspecting them today, getting ready to load some up for next week......... upon inspection, I discover that it's pre-lubed !! Nowhere did it say in the product description that these were pre-lubed with a porn-star sized serving of lube. I went ahead and proceeded forward anyways.......... now I've got the krud all over my expander die and I'm in the process of cleaning it. The stuff they put in there is the thickest lube I've ever seen, Anyone have any ideas on what to do about this problem? I can't very well keep cleaning my dies every 2nd round. If they weren't already primed, I'd give them a thorough cleaning, but I really don't want to throw away 200 precious primers. I tried expanding as little as possible to get a bare minimum amount to set the bullet, but it still fouls the die too much. -->

05-24-2009, 07:27 AM	#2
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,301	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel Just a thought, would tumbling them help any? __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

05-24-2009, 10:05 AM	#3
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,219	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel My thought too. Might mess up the medium, but if it works, it might be worth it. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

05-24-2009, 12:10 PM	#4
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,397	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel Ive seen lead bullets lubed before. But educate me please, why would you lube a case? __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

05-24-2009, 09:59 PM	#5
Oneida Steve Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 1,028	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel +1 with cycloneman. I've never seen cases like the ones you described. It sounds to me like someone at the factory forgot to degrease those cases.

05-25-2009, 01:42 PM	#6
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,882	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel I have no idea why these are lubed, there is a uniform ( and very thick ) ring of lube around the inside of the case at the mouth, approx 3/16" into the case. I'm hesitant to tumble them due to them being pre-primed and fouling the flash hole. The stuff is incredibly difficult to clean off the dies, only way I've found to clean the stuff off completely is a sparing amount of #9 and a Q-tip. I don't really care for the idea of any solvents near my dies either.............. needless to say, I'm not going to order any more of the Federal pre-primed. Thanks for the responses, I've never seen anything like this either; really has me scratching my head and thinking wth, wth, wth. Semper Fi, Woolley Last edited by woolleyworm; 05-25-2009 at 01:44 PM..

05-25-2009, 11:26 PM	#8
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,882	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel [QUOTE=woolleyworm;448135] If they weren't already primed, I'd give them a thorough cleaning, but I really don't want to throw away 200 precious primers. QUOTE] I am keeping the primers well away from anything wet. I've been disassembling the die when I cleaned it and then very very thouroughly (sp?) dryed it. I have NO idea why they would lube them like that or my biggest question, which i did send a email to customer svc, Why wasn't this listed in the item description?? A slight oversight on their part I do think. I've got the idea to put them into my ZipTrim and heat them to about 200-250 with a very small butane torch. The low heat should not affect the temper at all and I'm hoping it will melt out. I'll attempt this on my next day off, Sun. Keep u posted.

06-01-2009, 09:47 PM	#10
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,882	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel Update - The rounds that I did manage to get expanded and loaded have now been fired........ and there is still residue inside the case mouth. I have since tried to find a melting point for this stuff, I've come to the conclusion that it is NOT a lube, but rather a sealant. I've got an email into Federal, but no response back yet. I have found that a Q-tip with some isopropyl does manage to clean it out, so I'm going to do a little research on any possible side effects of using the isopropyl on the nickel cases. I'll keep everyone posted on Federals response, if they do answer back. Under no circumstances whatsoever, would I buy any of this again, what a royal pain in the kester!

06-03-2009, 04:36 PM	#11
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,882	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel Got reply back from Federal "Chris: The ring is sealant and that is how we load those cartridge cases on our equipment. When removing the sealant, use caution so that it doesn't contaminate the primer. Thank You Federal Premium " MY REPLY - Dear Federal, Well, no poop ($%^&) that I've got to be careful not to contaminate the primer.............. how about a suggestion on what will get it out of there????????

06-03-2009, 07:34 PM	#12
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel What are they sealing inside the case mouth the bullet to the case? It's nonsense. __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

07-10-2009, 07:18 PM	#14
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,882	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel Well, I finally got a workable ( i'll refrain from calling it a decent ) solution to this problem. I left the sealant alone and am single staging them on my chucker. A real pain in the butt. Even the once fired's that I've got has some residue in left behind. I can give it a quick clean a Q-tip and solvent and the case is clean enough not to foul up my dies for the second time around. Seating is very slow, I've got to line that sucker up dead nutz and then seat it slowly in order not to shave any jacketing off. Been going pretty well though, all things considered. I certainly wouldn't buy anymore of these, even if they were .05 a piece. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

07-11-2009, 01:56 AM	#15
bama Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1	Re: Federal Primed .45 acp Nickel Bought 1000 rds of same from same source and the primed cases are without any lube. All is pristine. Maybe the issue was mixing what was to be used internally and what was shipped as primed brass only.