Man arrested for threatening Obama

[Suwannee Tim]

Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim

Who on this forum has stones big enough to tell these guys how to do their job?

Again, I ask, other than FM258, who on this forum has stones big enough to tell these guys how to do their job?

[Suwannee Tim]

The guy who murdered the Okaloosa County deputies was a vet. The murdered deputies, York and Lopez were vets. You might want to ask their widow's opinion of whether the SWAT team should have been called. Maybe it would be better not to ask.

[FM258]

So you arent going to answer any of the questions I raised?

Thanks, but Ill decide what and where I waste my time, if you are very busy then dont read it.

What was the threat? And is this how they are always handled?

I wont waste my time knocking down your strawman argument that one threat caused a death therefore the SWAT team is called in. My 9 yo son could wack that one down with a sand shovel.

A SWAT (special weapons and tactics)[1][2] team is an elite tactical unit in American and some international police departments. They are trained to perform high-risk operations that fall outside of the abilities of regular officers, including serving high-risk arrest warrants, barricaded suspects, hostage rescue, counter-terrorism, and engaging heavily-armed criminals. A SWAT team is often equipped with specialized firearms including assault rifles, submachine guns, shotguns, carbines, riot control agents, stun grenades, and high-powered rifles for snipers. They have specialized equipment including heavy body armor, entry tools, armored vehicles, advanced night vision optics, and motion detectors for covertly determining the positions of hostages or hostage takers inside of an enclosed structure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT

Is that the case here? A question I asked and you danced around. Id like to know that citizens and especially Vets are not targeted with this kind of over use of force. When the "elderly woman" who opened the door saw all these robocops dressed to the teeth had had a heart attack, what would you have to say about that?

Since when cant a SINGLE police officer knock on a door and arrest someone? What kind of menacing threat did this man pose?

Im also wondering the cost involved....how much did it cost the taxpayers to arrest this evil threat tosser?

[jacksonco]

Originally Posted by FM258

Does anyone even know what this grave thread was that needed a SWAT team to take action?

Are all threats posted online treated with the same overkill?

Is this the purpose of SWAT teams?

Is this topic beaten to death?? Not yet.

I did not read anywhere in the story that the threats were made on line. Did I miss this or is there another source?

[Suwannee Tim]

Originally Posted by FM258

Im also wondering the cost involved....how much did it cost the taxpayers to arrest this evil threat tosser?

How much did it cost Okaloosa County to bury their two dead deputies?

[FM258]

Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim

How much did it cost Okaloosa County to bury their two dead deputies?

You are a tapdance artist, im now done wasting my time with you.

[Teejay9]

I think the point trying to be made is not whether SWAT knows what to do in any given situation, but did this particular situation call for SWAT intervention? Yes, SWAT provides firepower and safety, but were they needed to subdue a person making stupid threats against the president? Was he, the foolish one who made the threat, in the vicinity of the president that he might make good on his threat? Was the president in eminent danger?
Was ANYONE in danger? If not, then why SWAT? Any situation can escalate into trouble that ends in bodily harm, yet SWAT is not always called because they are used for Special Weapons And Tactics. Were they needed to make this arrest? I think that's the dead horse that's being beaten. TJ

[Marlin T]

There is a huge portion of this story that is missing, and only one person here asked it. “What was the threat?”

I’m not too hip trusting anything coming out of the probable usurpers office, and I trust the media even less.

There are not enough facts available to quench my thirst.

By the way, when I call Obomba the probable usurper, am I making a threat?

[bcj1755]

The problem I have is that fact that the countty sheriff blatently stated that SWAT was called for the simple fact that the guy was a vet. I'm ex-military, and so are a lot of people on this board, and I'm very scared that this incident will set a precident for the local police automatically calling SWAT every time they have to deal with vets. We already know that DHS considers vets to be a threat to "national security" and we know why, because vets have taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And right now, I see a lot of domestic enemies sitting in Washington, DC, and Obama is at the top of the list of domestic enemies to the Constitution. Obama is not my president because he has yet to prove that he was born in the US. AND the fact that he has broken his aoth of office from the moment he took it. Of course, some of the stuff that Bush did broke his oath also, *cough cough* Patriot Act *cough cough* Now, I don't condone anyone making death threats against POTUS, not at all. If this guy did make threats, then he deserves to be arrested. Period. My only question is why was SWAT needed. According to the local sheriff, SWAT was needed for NO OTHER REASON than the fact that the guy was ex-military and had weapons training. THAT statement is what I have a problem with because it paints a target on MY back, as well as many people on this board, and as well as many people whom I know.

Originally Posted by Marlin T

There is a huge portion of this story that is missing, and only one person here asked it. “What was the threat?”

I’m not too hip trusting anything coming out of the probable usurpers office, and I trust the media even less.

There are not enough facts available to quench my thirst.

By the way, when I call Obomba the probable usurper, am I making a threat?

I don't call him a PROBABLE usurper. I call him a DEFINATE usurper. I also say he needs to go back to Kenyan and live his life in peace and happiness, away from the US and the Constitution that he seems to take great pleasure in pi***** all over.

[Charlie the sniper]

"Sir, this is says you were born in Kenya".

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim

Again, I ask, other than FM258, who on this forum has stones big enough to tell these guys how to do their job?

I don't know that I'm telling them how to do their job, but I do question the need for SWAT.

[Bobitis]

I've no idea what 'threat/s' were made, and would love to see them.

The thing is:
You DON'T threaten the POTUS!

Diss him all you want, but woe be it to anyone who threatens him/her.

This is why I'd like to see the charges and their verbiage.

Did the perp simply state his piece? Or did he claim he'd like to spread the POTUS gene pool across the Oval Office walls?

This has all the earmarks of a well designed MSM Defcon 3 alert.

Sorry, but I need facts (not that I'll get them from MSM).

[FM258]

All good points being made, thanks to all for contributing.

[Suwannee Tim]

If they ever come to arrest me, they will bring a tank. And I ain't even a vet. They won't need the tank but not knowing that they will bring it anyway, just in case.

[jacksonco]

You guys do realize that the sherrif's department involved is from a rural West Virginia county with a low population. When he is talking about his swat team it is probably nothing like you are seeing on TV. It is more like he took some extra guys along just in case. In West Virginia back up could be 20 or 30 minutes out. I dont know if this was the case here but like Marlin wrote a lot of the story isnt there.

[358 winchester]

I can't help but wonder how man SWAT TEAMS they will bring for me when they come.
The local LEO's know where to go when they need extra ammo so when my name pops up I would bet half come down with the instant trots

[Big ugly]

I am wondering here why Freddie the Fed has taken sunch an interest. I just dont get it. You assemble swat to take a guy cuz hes a vet and had wepons training. Why couldnt Freddie the Fed go in himself, His pimpled ass has got wepons training too and he gets paid alot more. I am gonna be blunt about this but the FBI is a buch of over paid yuppies. Smile sunshine I see you too. watch me closely now, I might do a trick. Hey Freddie, you momma so ugly she got turned down by the town drunk for a man.

[alhefner]

Originally Posted by bcj1755

The problem I have is that fact that the countty sheriff blatently stated that SWAT was called for the simple fact that the guy was a vet. ... vets have taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And right now, I see a lot of domestic enemies sitting in Washington, DC, and Obama is at the top of the list of domestic enemies to the Constitution. ... Bush did broke his oath also, *cough cough* Patriot Act *cough cough* Now, I don't condone anyone making death threats against POTUS, not at all. If this guy did make threats, then he deserves to be arrested. Period. My only question is why was SWAT needed. According to the local sheriff, SWAT was needed for NO OTHER REASON than the fact that the guy was ex-military and had weapons training.

My questions also! Was SWAT needed only because he had military experience and weapons training? What was the actual threat he expressed and how did he express it? Nobody here seems to know or have a reference for those answers.

I don't currently own a firearm BUT over the course of a 20 year career in the Navy, I did receive very good training in use of the .45 semi-auto pistol and Remington 870 12Ga. shotgun in shipboard defense. I was fairly good at the use of both and was also well trained in performing shipboard intruder search and neutralization. Does that mean that a SWAT team is needed for any interaction I may have with law enforcement personnel?

[OBrien]

The question that I have not seen is what did this guy do? Was he a mechanic or cook? If so than swat is really overkill. If he was a seasoned special forces who has been through a lot of combat and is known to be well armed at all times than maybe swat would be understandable for the safety of a few officers who have never had to do anything more than break up a bar fight once or twice in their carrier. Just my thoughts.

[bcj1755]

You know, the more I think about this, the more it just does not add up. Like many others, I think that there are MANY facts missing from this story. Facts that the "fair and impartial" media either does not know or does not wish to share. Also like some others have stated, I think this story is maily being used by the "fair and impartial" media as a way to whip up some fear and doubt concerning "right-wing extremists" and "dangerous" veterans.

[obxned]

What exactly was the threat?

[Trouble 45-70]

Originally Posted by obxned

What exactly was the threat?

Good question. Can't comment untill I have more data and the Feds won't give any. We will have to wait at least till the arainment.