Health Care Rationing IS coming

[armedandsafe]

Barry says so. Given his past record of truth in what he says vs what he does makes this statemment very scary.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=49010

CNSNews.com
White House Vows No Rationing in Health Care Reform Package
Wednesday, June 03, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer

Peter Orszag, director of the White House Office for Management and Budget (AP Photo)
White House (CNSNews.com) – Reforming health care will save money, but it will not lead to rationing of treatment and procedures, the Obama administration’s chief budget official said Tuesday.

“No one here is talking about rationing,” said Peter Orszag, director of the White House Office for Management and Budget. “What we are talking about, look at the source of that 30 percent or so in potential efficiency gains in the health system are from unnecessary procedures, unnecessary days in hospital, unnecessary applications of technology and what have you.” (Just WHO gets to decide what is "uneccessary? Govt or MD?)

Critics of the Obama administration’s health care proposal assert it will lead to rationing or denying treatment, as has been the case in Great Britain and Canada universal health care systems. The economic stimulus bill passed earlier this year established a “comparative effectiveness council” that would evaluate what medical procedures are the most cost effective. (Cost effective? "You don't deserve to have your life saved because it you won't live long enough to pay it back in taxes?")

Orszag was speaking along with Christina Romer, chairwoman of the President’s Council of Economic Advisors, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) at an event highlighting a White House study that claimed a major overhaul of health care reform is good for the economy.

Obama met with Democratic members of Congress Tuesday at the White House to discuss passing a health care reform package by the end of the year.

To say Obama’s version of health reform saves money is nothing but smoke and mirrors, said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio),

“This 56-page press release lacks any real answers about how the Administration will deliver promised savings and improve Americans’ health care,” Boehner said in a statement. “One thing is clear: We don’t need a government takeover of health care that raises taxes, rations care, and puts government bureaucrats in control of decisions that should be made by families and doctors.”

Also established in the stimulus package was the creation of a centrally linked network that would contain the medical information of every American by 2014. Obama’s health care proposal was to make a federal insurance plan available to Americans that would compete with private insurers.

“We have very dramatic variations in the way health care is delivered in the United States in which the more efficient providers do not generate worse outcomes than the less efficient providers,” Orszag continued. “Cost and quality don’t go in the normal correlation.

“To get directly to your point, we are not talking about eliminating tests and procedures that are helping people. We are talking about not knowing and often doing things that actually don’t help people, paying for and thus facilitating such a system. Apart from the financial aspect, who wants to be exposed to unnecessary days in the hospital and unnecessary procedures?” he said.

The study said that if nothing is done, health care costs will consume one-third of the economy by 2040, and Americans’ take home pay will fall. Meanwhile, government spending on Medicare and Medicaid could increase to 15 percent of the gross domestic product by 2040.

Health care reform, on the other hand would lower deficits and increase savings and investment, the study purported.

“The benefits of health care reform to American families, firms and the budget are enormous,” Romer said.

Baucus said it would behoove the health care industry to participate in shaping the health care agenda, citing parts of the industry that are already making suggestions.

“We will pass it this year,” Baucus said. “The train is leaving the station, and all groups know it, and they know they are either on or off the train.”

Dodd said the focus on the economic argument for health care reform has not been pressed enough in the past.

“Health care costs are rising faster than the economy can grow,” Dodd said. “That’s not only unacceptable, but unsustainable as a country.”

Pops

[22dave]

Unrestricted, "free" health care is already a nightmare. I have first hand knowledge of a man taking a $5000 per month set of pills that he does not need them but the copay is only $30!

Second issue: Many podiatrists trim toe nails and bill Medicare $160! It's called minor surgery.

Talk to any health care professional and they have more stories. Doctors and companies benefit and we all pay.

[bcj1755]

Well, of course it will be rationed. And we know who will get first crack at the healthcare...all the brainwashed sheeple that drink the Barry-flavored Kenyan Kool-Aid. Those of us that don't believe in "hope and change" and refuse to partake of the tasty Kool-Aid will be left to die from lack of healthcare.

[45nut]

Originally Posted by bcj1755

Well, of course it will be rationed. And we know who will get first crack at the healthcare...all the brainwashed sheeple that drink the Barry-flavored Kenyan Kool-Aid. Those of us that don't believe in "hope and change" and refuse to partake of the tasty Kool-Aid will be left to die from lack of healthcare.

+1,000 Don't say we weren't warned what is coming.

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by bcj1755

...all the brainwashed sheeple that drink the Barry-flavored Kenyan Kool-Aid.

You just made me choke on my coke.
What a GREAT line!!!

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

You just made me choke on my coke.
What a GREAT line!!!

Why thank you. You can use it if you'd like

[Trouble 45-70]

Our Congresscritters will not be subject to any of the reformed health care like the rest of us. They will have the best health care Walter Reed Hospital can provide at little or no cost to them as long as they shall live, world without end amen. They will not have to wait in long lines, there will not be any denial of care no matter what their condition or the state of their liver and no surgical proceedure will be denied them. It's no skin off their noses if we are denied service because money in this program is tight. The only guaranteed proceedure that will be guaranteed will be abortion and sex change.

[FJF0311]

Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

The only guaranteed proceedure that will be guaranteed will be abortion and sex change.

Naw,


After Barry reacquaints himself "With his Muslim roots," as quoted from the radio today. His new found love of his daddy's religion will bring Sharia law, which should take care of THAT in short order!

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by FJF0311

Naw,


After Barry reacquaints himself "With his Muslim roots," as quoted from the radio today. His new found love of his daddy's religion will bring Sharia law, which should take care of THAT in short order!

So what you are saying is that there is going to be Govt mandated circumsicisions for both male and females, right?

[FJF0311]

Originally Posted by Marlin T

So what you are saying is that there is going to be Govt mandated circumsicisions for both male and females, right?

Well played, old friend! Well played!

[Bobitis]

If our health care system is so broken, why do Canadians rush for the border, and folks from all over the planet rush to get here?

[pinecone70]

I believe Canadians come here because the waiting list for relatively common treatments is too long.

[obxned]

Will this wonderful new health plan also apply to congress and the person in the White House, or just us peasants???

[armedandsafe]

Will this wonderful new health plan also apply to congress and the person in the White House, or just us peasants???

Silly question. Of course they will play fair. Just ask them if you have any doubts about that.

Pops

[Trouble 45-70]

Originally Posted by obxned

Will this wonderful new health plan also apply to congress and the person in the White House, or just us peasants???

Just us peasants. The elite need not be concerned. Why should they have to wait in waiting rooms full of sick and/or bleading people?

[ampaterry]

I know a guy that says he NEVER waits in line at the hospital or clinic any more.
All he did is sew an INS insignia to the shoulder of his jacket.
When he walks in, the waiting room empties -
Isn't that odd?

[Bobitis]

If health care is so vital, what's with the 'rationing'?

Who gets to go first?

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

I know a guy that says he NEVER waits in line at the hospital or clinic any more.
All he did is sew an INS insignia to the shoulder of his jacket.
When he walks in, the waiting room empties -
Isn't that odd?

That's not a half bad idea. Many of the doctor's offices and ERs around here are generally clogged with possible illegals.

Originally Posted by Bobitis

If health care is so vital, what's with the 'rationing'?

Who gets to go first?

Why, the closet-commies will let those who won't bow down and prey to Barry Hussein be the ones to die first from rationing healthcare. It's an easy and cost effective way to get rid of dissenters.

[walien]

I was wondering why that was such a poorly written article and then I saw the source. Nothing like a news page that takes 30 seconds to render in my browser and graphics worse than I could make in MS Paint in 60 seconds. My guess is that the latest party line is to scare people about rationing to get some voters back.

Healthcare is a huge issue. You won't find people like Boehner disagreeing with how healthcare is just going to balloon over the next few decades. Partisan bickering and short sighted articles from sites like this certainly aren't helping.

"puts government bureaucrats in control of decisions that should be made by families and doctors." He also forgot insurance companies.

Just us peasants. The elite need not be concerned. Why should they have to wait in waiting rooms full of sick and/or bleading people?

EVERYONE needs to be concerned. Ever heard of this thing called stock or taxes? People like successful politicians and their counterparts own plenty of the former and pay lots of the latter. Healthcare costs already negatively impact the bottom line of American companies. Fewer and fewer can afford to provide this and in the end, those who do end up footing the bill. The ballooning of the healthcare costs in this country also mean more costs for Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. All of that impacts taxes.

The elite always need be concerned. Everyone needs to. Want to get upset over something. Ask why we have the highest drug costs in the first world by far. Ask why we have the highest medical costs in the world by far. I wonder if many of you were upset when W was passing the senior drug bill?

Why, the closet-commies will let those who won't bow down and prey to Barry Hussein be the ones to die first from rationing healthcare. It's an easy and cost effective way to get rid of dissenters.

FYI, this country ALREADY HAS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. It's called Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. Don't like socialized medicine? Where are your posts advocating that we get rid of these programs? Seriously, step up if that's what you're really about.

It'd be great to see an open, honest and non-partisan discussion here about actual ideas that can help healthcare. Just bickering about anything proposed really doesn't get anyone anywhere.

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by walien

FYI, this country ALREADY HAS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. It's called Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. Don't like socialized medicine? Where are your posts advocating that we get rid of these programs? Seriously, step up if that's what you're really about.

It'd be great to see an open, honest and non-partisan discussion here about actual ideas that can help healthcare. Just bickering about anything proposed really doesn't get anyone anywhere.

FYI, the VA, which stands for "Veterans Adminstration," is to provide healthcare to veterans who develop heath problems while in service to their country. I suppose you think that medical care for active duty military personnel is socialist also. Medicare and Medicaid are in place, supposedly, to help people who can't help themselves. Yes, they are socialistic, but a country or a people that does nothing to help those who genuienly need help is worthless. And if the Us already has socialised medicine as you claim, and its as predominant as you're implying, then why don't I have a medicaid card in my wallet?

[walien]

No, active duty military personnel it's a medical benefit. It's socialistic? No, it's socialist. Having the government help those who "need help" is socialist. I appreciate your use of the term socialistic to try to help your argument, but it's socialist.

The US does already have socialized medicine. We discussed that above. Some people do also have private healthcare and many have none. You also could not have the card in your wallet. I'm not a mind reader. What I do know is that you're complaining about socialism being evil and yet in the post you just made you advocated it.

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by walien

No, active duty military personnel it's a medical benefit. It's socialistic? No, it's socialist. Having the government help those who "need help" is socialist. I appreciate your use of the term socialistic to try to help your argument, but it's socialist.

The US does already have socialized medicine. We discussed that above. Some people do also have private healthcare and many have none. You also could not have the card in your wallet. I'm not a mind reader. What I do know is that you're complaining about socialism being evil and yet in the post you just made you advocated it.

And you are contridicting yourself. You say it's a benefit for active duty personnel, but it's socialism for military personnel that are discharged due to injuries. One of the BENEFITS one recieves for joining the military is healthcare for life. So how is it not socialism while on active duty, but yet it is socialism after discharge?

As I said in another post, I'm done wasting time with your psuedointelectual socialist praising.

[walien]

You might have a point in looking at it that way. It certainly would be a rather large benefit given that most other countries do not provide anything like this. Of course, most of them have switched to various models of healthcare. I seem to recall mentioning medicare, medicaid and the VA. Trying to split hairs about the VA doesn't ignore that there is universal healthcare in this country for seniors and low income earners. Both are socialized medicine.

[topper]

Anytime any politician says something will not happen, you can bet yer boots that is exactly what is in the plan and WILL be done. so, i do believe health care will be rationed, especially to the older americans that are not as potentially productive as they once were. after all, time "barry" finishes with his term, we will all be socialistic robots anyway.





Keep both barrels loaded!

[carver]

Here in the good old U.S.A. you can get medical attention if you are broke and have no money, or insurance. Makes no difference weather you are a legal citizen or not. That is socialized medicine!