TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... - The Firearms Forum

rooter · 06-07-2009, 04:42 AM

What is this?

Here they come. They'll start on the older folks and work their way down to the rest.

Guns to be Banned for age 60 and over

THESE BOLSHEVIKS ARE IN FOR A REAL FIGHT ON THIS ONE

Guns To Be Banned For Elderly

Staff Reports
United Press International
Washington

Deputy Attorney General Designate David Ogden is circulating a draft of an executive order in which, among other things, firearms possession would be severely limited for people over 60.
An assistant to Ogden told us, "It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed. With all of their physical ailments and increasing senility, to leave them in control of a deadly weapon would be ludicrous."
While the Executive Order may sound too powerful, experts in Constitutional law state that it is not actually un-Constitutional.
"It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue."
The Justice Department was tossing the idea of a gun ban for seniors during the Carter and Clinton Administration, but public opinion stopped these initiatives. Now, the Obama White House believes differently.
An unnamed aide close to Ogden agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity.
"Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him."
"Quite frankly, it's a shame that no one has had the good conscience to have done this already. It's a simple process, and the majority of the American people will understand it and follow the law."
The enforcement mechanism for this particular executive order has not been published. It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police.
It is expected that the executive order will be given around July 1, when senior-related gun deaths reach their peaks.
The aide to Ogden stated: "For eight years you see the rolling back of regulation, and crime has skyrocketed. In fact, in Massachusetts alone, murders have risen 50% since 2002. Armed robbery has also risen dramatically. With such circumstances, we must act boldly.."

I can't help but ask, "How much of this crime was committed by people over 60?" And how much of this crime was committed on people over 60 who are unarmed?

TranterUK · 06-07-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rooter

It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police.

Col Jeff Cooper will be spinning in his grave. Its disgraceful.

And incidentally, we gave our handguns to the police 'willingly' because with the licensing system they knew exactly who had what. Guns, types, serial numbers. If you didn't hand one in, they would be knocking on your door and asking why.

Introducing licensing is a good precursor to a ban. Keep that in mind.

carver · 06-07-2009, 07:06 AM

I'm 60, and all I've got to say, is come and get em!

oldogy · 06-07-2009, 08:10 AM

I really feel sorry for the poor misguided slob/slobs who comes after mine.

The powers are probably aware of the old saying that you never pick a fight with an old man. He will not fight, he'll just kill you.

oldogy

Lotsdragon · 06-07-2009, 09:16 AM

Guess they didnt notice that the over 60 crowds vote more often than they younger crowds do, let em try this and the rep.s will take the majority back even sooner.....................

RunningOnMT · 06-07-2009, 09:46 AM

I'm speechless. What an absolutely idiotic interpretation of the constitution. The second amendment states the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It has nothing to do with congress. The bill of rights are just that...no branch of government may infringe on those rights.

What bothers me about this kind of thing is that the ones who come for your guns will likely be innocent employees of one law enforcement agency or another. It is the politicians that try this crap that deserve to be shot, not them.

Due to it's importance I think this thread should be moved or repeated in the general or constitutional forums so more people can be made aware of this.

Just an afterthought. It's easy to see what they are trying. "Divide and conquer". They know that they can't get away with stuff like this if they just try to impose restrictions on everybodyso they go after one smaller group at a time: seniors first, then vets, then TFF members , etc

TranterUK · 06-07-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I'm speechless. What an absolutely idiotic interpretation of the constitution. The second amendment states the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It has nothing to do with congress.

Indeed, what you have to remember is this is disarmament by degree. One small step at a time.

Most over 60 will have nothing to say, they dont have guns. Even most under 60 with guns wont see it as their problem. So, they get away with it. More will follow.

RunningOnMT · 06-07-2009, 10:06 AM

Got some good news and some bad news. The good news is this story is false. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...gun-contol.htm. The bad news is I'm pissed as hell. This is the second time I've been fooled by one of the "satire' news pieces. It isn't funny. I was just loading up every gun I own when I got this news.

rooter · 06-07-2009, 04:03 PM

Damn Men...It seems as if I post more of this type material than anyone and I hate it when it turns out to be false, as this one claims to be....Don't hurt or help to apologize, but I am anyway....Thanks for the correct update MT...Chief

RunningOnMT · 06-07-2009, 04:45 PM

Chief no apologies are needed. I've posted bogus stories before. You get info you think is legitimate and want to pass it on.

There are several of these sites that write stores like this as satire. Then they get circulated as real stories. It makes me mad to be fooled like that too.

graehaven · 06-07-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotsdragon

Guess they didnt notice that the over 60 crowds vote more often than they younger crowds do, let em try this and the rep.s will take the majority back even sooner.....................

I sincerely hope the Repubs don't get the power back. They're just as bad as the Demon crats. If not worse, as they're a bunch of faker sellouts.

It would be much better for a whole new bunch of independents to run and win the seats. That would be much better for all of us.

06-07-2009, 04:42 AM	#1
rooter VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Marty Robbins old hometown, Glendale Arizona--a suburb of Phoenix. Contributor Posts: 9,273	TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... What is this? Here they come. They'll start on the older folks and work their way down to the rest. Guns to be Banned for age 60 and over THESE BOLSHEVIKS ARE IN FOR A REAL FIGHT ON THIS ONE Guns To Be Banned For Elderly Staff Reports United Press International Washington Deputy Attorney General Designate David Ogden is circulating a draft of an executive order in which, among other things, firearms possession would be severely limited for people over 60. An assistant to Ogden told us, "It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed. With all of their physical ailments and increasing senility, to leave them in control of a deadly weapon would be ludicrous." While the Executive Order may sound too powerful, experts in Constitutional law state that it is not actually un-Constitutional. "It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue." The Justice Department was tossing the idea of a gun ban for seniors during the Carter and Clinton Administration, but public opinion stopped these initiatives. Now, the Obama White House believes differently. An unnamed aide close to Ogden agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity. "Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him." "Quite frankly, it's a shame that no one has had the good conscience to have done this already. It's a simple process, and the majority of the American people will understand it and follow the law." The enforcement mechanism for this particular executive order has not been published. It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police. It is expected that the executive order will be given around July 1, when senior-related gun deaths reach their peaks. The aide to Ogden stated: "For eight years you see the rolling back of regulation, and crime has skyrocketed. In fact, in Massachusetts alone, murders have risen 50% since 2002. Armed robbery has also risen dramatically. With such circumstances, we must act boldly.." I can't help but ask, "How much of this crime was committed by people over 60?" And how much of this crime was committed on people over 60 who are unarmed? __________________ -->

06-07-2009, 07:06 AM	#3
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,288	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... I'm 60, and all I've got to say, is come and get em! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

06-07-2009, 08:10 AM	#4
oldogy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East TN Posts: 309	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... I really feel sorry for the poor misguided slob/slobs who comes after mine. The powers are probably aware of the old saying that you never pick a fight with an old man. He will not fight, he'll just kill you. oldogy __________________ ue"]If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- " Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah)[/COLOR]

06-07-2009, 09:16 AM	#5
Lotsdragon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Potosi, Mo Posts: 813	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... Guess they didnt notice that the over 60 crowds vote more often than they younger crowds do, let em try this and the rep.s will take the majority back even sooner.....................

06-07-2009, 09:46 AM	#6
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... I'm speechless. What an absolutely idiotic interpretation of the constitution. The second amendment states the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It has nothing to do with congress. The bill of rights are just that...no branch of government may infringe on those rights. What bothers me about this kind of thing is that the ones who come for your guns will likely be innocent employees of one law enforcement agency or another. It is the politicians that try this crap that deserve to be shot, not them. Due to it's importance I think this thread should be moved or repeated in the general or constitutional forums so more people can be made aware of this. Just an afterthought. It's easy to see what they are trying. "Divide and conquer". They know that they can't get away with stuff like this if they just try to impose restrictions on everybodyso they go after one smaller group at a time: seniors first, then vets, then TFF members , etc Last edited by RunningOnMT; 06-07-2009 at 09:59 AM..

06-07-2009, 10:06 AM	#8
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... Got some good news and some bad news. The good news is this story is false. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...gun-contol.htm. The bad news is I'm pissed as hell. This is the second time I've been fooled by one of the "satire' news pieces. It isn't funny. I was just loading up every gun I own when I got this news.

06-07-2009, 04:03 PM	#9
rooter VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Marty Robbins old hometown, Glendale Arizona--a suburb of Phoenix. Contributor Posts: 9,273	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... Damn Men...It seems as if I post more of this type material than anyone and I hate it when it turns out to be false, as this one claims to be....Don't hurt or help to apologize, but I am anyway....Thanks for the correct update MT...Chief __________________

06-07-2009, 04:45 PM	#10
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: TORN FROM HIS LIVER SPOTTED HAND...... Chief no apologies are needed. I've posted bogus stories before. You get info you think is legitimate and want to pass it on. There are several of these sites that write stores like this as satire. Then they get circulated as real stories. It makes me mad to be fooled like that too.