Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum - The Firearms Forum

icm856 · 06-14-2009, 09:49 PM

I just picked up this Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine. It has a shrouded bull barrel and a wood stock. It's made in Italy. It's supposed to be patterned after the German MP-29 Schmeisser SMG. However I think it looks more like the Russian PPSH. It seems to be of solid quality construction. Mine came with the 50 round drum magazine, but there are 10, 15 and 30 round stick magazines available. One draw back is the price of the magazines, there not cheap and with this being an import, I don't see the prices coming down. The price of the rifle was $529 before sales tax and transfer charge.

Anyway I picked it up a few weeks ago and have just now got a chance to do a little shooting with it.

I took three different kinds of ammunition with me today, CCI mini mags 40gr ccrn, American Eagle 40gr solid LL and Aguila 30gr ccrn. The first drum I loaded up with the American Eagle ammo. The 5th round I fired failed to eject and then somewhere around the 20 or 25th round I had the same problem. The next drum I loaded up with the CCI mini mags and all fired with no problems. I then tried the Aguila and it cycled with no problems or malfunctions as well. So then a loaded up another drum of the American Eagle and this time it cycled without malfunctioning.

I let three other people shoot it that were at the range today and in all I think I put around 800 rounds through it with only the two malfunctions I mentioned. As for accuracy, I really wasn't trying my best but I had no problems with keeping 4 inch groups at 25 yards (with iron sights standing). It was very fun to shoot and the shrouded bull barrel stays pretty cool even under rapid fire.

Here are a few pics.

Lotsdragon · 06-14-2009, 09:59 PM

Well thats a sweet looking item and I know its gotta be fun!

TOOHSOTKIL · 06-15-2009, 12:21 PM

It also looks like early Berretta SMG`s. Saw these advertised late last year and you are correct on both factors of cost. But the little MP5 .22 cloned import is also pricey. But both seem to be well built for the price and the fun factor seems high.

45nut · 06-15-2009, 01:07 PM

How could that not be fun.

It looks cool too.

6x6pinz · 06-15-2009, 07:26 PM

These are a follow up to the old bingham rifles. I have been watching these to see if the same problem occurs as with the binghams. Some would call it a problem others would call it fun. The binghams had issues with letting off the full drum once they got a little wear on them, unsafe to say the least but once you came to expect it sure was fun.
http://207.234.249.73/gunfax/rimfires/ppscopy.htm

By all means keep us posted. I really wanted to replace mine but the cost of the original binghams made it so it was just not going to happen.

fbauer1937 · 12-05-2009, 12:37 AM

Hello,
I also just purchased a Puma Wildcat PPS5 with the 30 round stick magazine.
Is there a secret to loading the magazines or is it just going to always be a sore finger and thumb producer. Unlike the the S&W 15-22 which I also own, the Puma magazine has no button to hold the follower down. Also, is there anyway to make the bolt stay back for cleaning?

Thanks for any further info on this gun.

Fred

06-14-2009, 09:49 PM	#1
icm856 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: IL Posts: 86	Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum I just picked up this Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine. It has a shrouded bull barrel and a wood stock. It's made in Italy. It's supposed to be patterned after the German MP-29 Schmeisser SMG. However I think it looks more like the Russian PPSH. It seems to be of solid quality construction. Mine came with the 50 round drum magazine, but there are 10, 15 and 30 round stick magazines available. One draw back is the price of the magazines, there not cheap and with this being an import, I don't see the prices coming down. The price of the rifle was $529 before sales tax and transfer charge. Anyway I picked it up a few weeks ago and have just now got a chance to do a little shooting with it. I took three different kinds of ammunition with me today, CCI mini mags 40gr ccrn, American Eagle 40gr solid LL and Aguila 30gr ccrn. The first drum I loaded up with the American Eagle ammo. The 5th round I fired failed to eject and then somewhere around the 20 or 25th round I had the same problem. The next drum I loaded up with the CCI mini mags and all fired with no problems. I then tried the Aguila and it cycled with no problems or malfunctions as well. So then a loaded up another drum of the American Eagle and this time it cycled without malfunctioning. I let three other people shoot it that were at the range today and in all I think I put around 800 rounds through it with only the two malfunctions I mentioned. As for accuracy, I really wasn't trying my best but I had no problems with keeping 4 inch groups at 25 yards (with iron sights standing). It was very fun to shoot and the shrouded bull barrel stays pretty cool even under rapid fire. Here are a few pics. -->

06-14-2009, 09:59 PM	#2
Lotsdragon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Potosi, Mo Posts: 813	Re: Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum Well thats a sweet looking item and I know its gotta be fun!

06-15-2009, 12:21 PM	#3
TOOHSOTKIL V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Curracus Posts: 318	Re: Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum It also looks like early Berretta SMG`s. Saw these advertised late last year and you are correct on both factors of cost. But the little MP5 .22 cloned import is also pricey. But both seem to be well built for the price and the fun factor seems high.

06-15-2009, 01:07 PM	#4
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,433	Re: Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum How could that not be fun. It looks cool too. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

06-15-2009, 07:26 PM	#5
6x6pinz V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 382	Re: Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum These are a follow up to the old bingham rifles. I have been watching these to see if the same problem occurs as with the binghams. Some would call it a problem others would call it fun. The binghams had issues with letting off the full drum once they got a little wear on them, unsafe to say the least but once you came to expect it sure was fun. http://207.234.249.73/gunfax/rimfires/ppscopy.htm By all means keep us posted. I really wanted to replace mine but the cost of the original binghams made it so it was just not going to happen. __________________ friends don't let friends carry glocks

12-05-2009, 12:37 AM	#6
fbauer1937 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 12	Re: Puma PPS5 22LR 16" carbine with 50 rd drum Hello, I also just purchased a Puma Wildcat PPS5 with the 30 round stick magazine. Is there a secret to loading the magazines or is it just going to always be a sore finger and thumb producer. Unlike the the S&W 15-22 which I also own, the Puma magazine has no button to hold the follower down. Also, is there anyway to make the bolt stay back for cleaning? Thanks for any further info on this gun. Fred