Anybody know about the Greek church?

Alpo · 07-20-2009, 10:27 AM

I believe (although I could very well be wrong) that a Roman Priest is not allowed to marry a divorced person, because you get married by God and you marry until "death do you part" so divorce is sin.

I know that the Greek church and the Roman church are similar, but not identical.

So my question is, can a Greek priest (or are they called Patriarchs?) marry a divorced person?

Second question is can a Greek priest marry two people that are not Greek Orthodox?

Both these questions come from movies. In "Mama Mia", Pierce Brosman stands up in church and announces that he is divorced and wants to marry Merryl Streep. And they get married, right then. It was an island in Greece, and the preacher was wearing the white turned-around collar, so I presumed him to be a Greek priest. Then, as I as typing this, I thought about "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", where the boy had to convert to be married to the girl by the priest. Although, that may have been because otherwise it would be a mixed marriage, Greek and non-Greek. So maybe two non-Greeks would be allowed.

And, yes, I realize they can do anything they want in a movie. But some things they do are so different from what I believe is correct that it yanks me out of my "suspension of disbelief", and I want to know if the movie actually is right.

carver · 07-20-2009, 10:33 AM

Although I am not Catholic, my understanding is that divorce is not a sin untill one, or both, of the divorced people jumps into the bed of someone else. If what I belive is true, then it follows that the church will not condone a second marrage, nor will they marry a beliver to a non beliver. I could be wrong, the church has made some major changes in the last 20 years. I'm sure though, that someone who really does know will be along in a min. to get us both straight, if need be.

kingchip · 07-20-2009, 10:36 AM

I was born and raised Methodist, but married Catholic. in my case, significant donations greased the wheel quite a bit to get it done. I did have to attend pre cana classes which I questioned a lot. I'm not sure how a single man, sworn to celibacy, can teach much about being and staying married.

ARB · 07-20-2009, 10:59 AM

A friend of mine married a lady from Romania. She was greek orthidox, so he had to take some classes to become confirmed into the church.

Alpo · 07-20-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

Although I am not Catholic, my understanding is that divorce is not a sin untill one, or both, of the divorced people jumps into the bed of someone else. If what I belive is true, then it follows that the church will not condone a second marrage, nor will they marry a beliver to a non beliver. I could be wrong, the church has made some major changes in the last 20 years. I'm sure though, that someone who really does know will be along in a min. to get us both straight, if need be.

A Catholic friend of mine married a Baptist friend of mine. They even had a wedding mass. But, being a heathen, she was not allowed to take communion. I believe there is a requirement, when a non-Catholic marries a Catholic, that any children be raised Catholic.

Pistolenschutze · 07-20-2009, 12:05 PM

To answer your specific question, Alpo, the Catholic and Orthodox churches view things a bit differently. I found this online. Hope it helps.

"Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first.

Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle."

358 winchester · 07-20-2009, 12:52 PM

Please explain why a divorced man would want to remarry to start with ?
Please I just need to know!!! I love Carla but if she was to go away then I would be single and living in a small motor home and no worries MATE !!

Claude Clay · 07-20-2009, 12:54 PM

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cycloneman · 07-20-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Please explain why a divorced man would want to remarry to start with ?
Please I just need to know!!! I love Carla but if she was to go away then I would be single and living in a small motor home and no worries MATE !!

Boy your right. I too love my wife and would miss her but i would not marry again for anything.

kingchip · 07-20-2009, 03:03 PM

1st time for love,

2nd time for $$$$$

Pistolenschutze · 07-20-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kingchip

1st time for love,

2nd time for $$$$$

But kingchip, why buy a cow when milk is so cheap?

kingcuke · 07-20-2009, 09:57 PM

The happiest time of anyone's life is just after the first divorce.
John Kenneth Galbraith
US (Canadian-born) administrator & economist (1908 - 2006)

When a woman marries again, it is because she detested her first husband. When a man marries again, it is because he adored his first wife. Women try their luck; men risk theirs.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900)

Bobitis · 07-21-2009, 06:26 PM

In this day, marriage has no benefit to the male.
"Partners" get most of the benefits marrieds do, so what's the point?
The 'point' is, once you sign zee papers, you have EASILY given up 50%+ of your life/income/time/etc.

Tried it once and didn't like it. Cost me half a mil by the time it was over.

For a guy, it's a substantial risk at best.
For a gal, it's nothing but possibilities.

What we need is legalized pipe cleaning (if ya know what I mean).

That would be a step in clearing up a LOT of marital problems.
250 bucks a week for 30 years would have been a bargain in my case.

Vladimir · 07-22-2009, 01:51 AM

I have seen the magic number of three tossed around (three marriages or three divorces, don't recall) but that was only a few times and I doubt it is used much?

As to marriage, it is going to be up to the priest I think. I'm not sure if they try to set a rule or not though.

Never been involved in marriage or divorce so I don't exactly know the rules

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07-20-2009, 10:27 AM	#1
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,647	Anybody know about the Greek church? I believe (although I could very well be wrong) that a Roman Priest is not allowed to marry a divorced person, because you get married by God and you marry until "death do you part" so divorce is sin. I know that the Greek church and the Roman church are similar, but not identical. So my question is, can a Greek priest (or are they called Patriarchs?) marry a divorced person? Second question is can a Greek priest marry two people that are not Greek Orthodox? Both these questions come from movies. In "Mama Mia", Pierce Brosman stands up in church and announces that he is divorced and wants to marry Merryl Streep. And they get married, right then. It was an island in Greece, and the preacher was wearing the white turned-around collar, so I presumed him to be a Greek priest. Then, as I as typing this, I thought about "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", where the boy had to convert to be married to the girl by the priest. Although, that may have been because otherwise it would be a mixed marriage, Greek and non-Greek. So maybe two non-Greeks would be allowed. And, yes, I realize they can do anything they want in a movie. But some things they do are so different from what I believe is correct that it yanks me out of my "suspension of disbelief", and I want to know if the movie actually is right. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies. -->

07-20-2009, 10:33 AM	#2
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,216	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? Although I am not Catholic, my understanding is that divorce is not a sin untill one, or both, of the divorced people jumps into the bed of someone else. If what I belive is true, then it follows that the church will not condone a second marrage, nor will they marry a beliver to a non beliver. I could be wrong, the church has made some major changes in the last 20 years. I'm sure though, that someone who really does know will be along in a min. to get us both straight, if need be. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-20-2009, 10:36 AM	#3
kingchip Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Marble Falls, Texas Posts: 541	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? I was born and raised Methodist, but married Catholic. in my case, significant donations greased the wheel quite a bit to get it done. I did have to attend pre cana classes which I questioned a lot. I'm not sure how a single man, sworn to celibacy, can teach much about being and staying married.

07-20-2009, 10:59 AM	#4
ARB Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 1,184	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? A friend of mine married a lady from Romania. She was greek orthidox, so he had to take some classes to become confirmed into the church.

07-20-2009, 12:05 PM	#6
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? To answer your specific question, Alpo, the Catholic and Orthodox churches view things a bit differently. I found this online. Hope it helps. "Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first. Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle." __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

07-20-2009, 12:52 PM	#7
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? Please explain why a divorced man would want to remarry to start with ? Please I just need to know!!! I love Carla but if she was to go away then I would be single and living in a small motor home and no worries MATE !! __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

07-20-2009, 12:54 PM	#8
Claude Clay V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central CT Posts: 451	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? --------------^ if at first you don't succeed; cry, cry again

07-20-2009, 03:03 PM	#10
kingchip Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Marble Falls, Texas Posts: 541	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? 1st time for love, 2nd time for $$$$$

07-20-2009, 09:57 PM	#12
kingcuke V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cucumber Island Posts: 154	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? The happiest time of anyone's life is just after the first divorce. John Kenneth Galbraith US (Canadian-born) administrator & economist (1908 - 2006) When a woman marries again, it is because she detested her first husband. When a man marries again, it is because he adored his first wife. Women try their luck; men risk theirs. Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891 Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900) __________________ Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good. H. L. Mencken It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen. George MacDonald

07-21-2009, 06:26 PM	#13
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? In this day, marriage has no benefit to the male. "Partners" get most of the benefits marrieds do, so what's the point? The 'point' is, once you sign zee papers, you have EASILY given up 50%+ of your life/income/time/etc. Tried it once and didn't like it. Cost me half a mil by the time it was over. For a guy, it's a substantial risk at best. For a gal, it's nothing but possibilities. What we need is legalized pipe cleaning (if ya know what I mean). That would be a step in clearing up a LOT of marital problems. 250 bucks a week for 30 years would have been a bargain in my case. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

07-22-2009, 01:51 AM	#14
Vladimir Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Issaquah WA Posts: 3,558	Re: Anybody know about the Greek church? I have seen the magic number of three tossed around (three marriages or three divorces, don't recall) but that was only a few times and I doubt it is used much? As to marriage, it is going to be up to the priest I think. I'm not sure if they try to set a rule or not though. Never been involved in marriage or divorce so I don't exactly know the rules . __________________ -JVRR меня зовут Владимир или Джеймс. Я знаю только немного русский язык (я американец, но мой пра дедушка русски). STEAM (CSS, TF2, etc): Ask me! Xbox LIVE! GT: "Vlad is Rad" PS3 PSN: "Vlad_Is_Rad"