Radical islam

[usaf46270]

I wrote this the other day, my local paper prints most of them.

"The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam."
I don’t know about the rest of the community, But this has me worried. I understand the 1st amendment, But when we have an Islamic Convention on US soil that says they are not a violent organization, But have members that have blown themselves up. Asif Muhammad Hanif, a British man who blew himself up outside a bar in Tel Aviv, killing four people and wounding more than 50; and Omar Bakri Mohammed, a radical cleric currently banned from Britain who praised the 9/11 attacks, raised funds for Hezbollah and Hamas and called for attacks on the Dublin airport because U.S. troops transferred there on their way to Iraq. This is not a nonviolent organization. They raise money for our enemies, they recruit members and start the indoctrination of youths between ages of 9 and 18 to absorb the ideology that calls for the formation of an empire — or "khilafah" — that will rule according to Islamic law and condones any means to achieve it, including militant jihad, and one of the organization's more recent leaflets, published in March, calls for the declaration of "a state of war against America." Now I don’t know about you, But to me that is a terrorist organization, and would like to know why Washington has not put this organization on the terror watch list; could it be our own president has embraced Islam with his words, we are one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” He has spent so much time, apologizing for the United States actions. In a book by Robert Spencer “Stealth Jihad” it talks about the subversion the country from within-by gradually Islamizing American. The ultimate goal, the stealth jihadists themselves, is nothing less than adoption of Islamic law in the United States. This Organization is banned in several Arab and Central Asian countries, as well as Germany and Russia." I am concerned that our 1st amendment is giving groups like these a strong footing that one day will turn our country into another Islam State. One of their comments from the conference was one day they will fly an Islam Flag over the White House. People will say that will never happen, But look at the power and rapid change that Washington has gone through in 7 months. It’s Scary. The efforts by stealth jihadists to white wash the teaching of Islam in schools. But if you tried to teach from the Bible in schools, Oh no you cant do that. Why is it that we have a double standard? Islam can worship in public schools, but what about Baptist, catholic?

We better wake up to what is happening around the United States, you might wake up one day and find we are not what our founding father had given us. But as Benjamin Franklin responded to a woman on the street “What have you given us, Sir?” Franklin said, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
We need to voice our opposition to this group, But just as soon as we say anything, the ACLU will come to their rescue. When we have an organization that defends a terrorist organization, there is something very wrong!
Some terrorism experts say it may be even more dangerous than many groups that are on the terror list. we had a report from the US Department of Homeland Security, stating that US Troops returning home from the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were at risk for being recruited by right-wing extremists. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized “This was an assessment, not an accusation,” “It was limited to extremists those who seek to commit violence within the United States. And all this was meant to do was to give Law Enforcement what we call ‘Situational Awareness’” “The last thing I want to do is offend or castigate all veterans. It seems the Department of Homeland Security was more concerned with offending the Islamic Leaders of Hizb ut-Tahrir, than members of its own military. I am sure the F.B.I. is investigating this group, at least I HOPE THEY ARE! What Is it going to Take Another Attack on US Soil to wake people up? We are at War, a War on Terror, Its that simple. If Obama is too scared to realize that some of his relatives just might be involved. It seems that Obama is changing the United States faster than any terrorist.

[jacksonco]

I have come to the personal conclusion that it is the minority that are the peaceful Muslims. Because it sure seems that the majority silently approve of what is happening. And it is from that majority that the power to commit such heinous acts of violence towards innocent people.

There will surely be another World War before the end of this century and it will be a war fought against the Islamic War Machine. It may seem now that this is not possible but ignoring a problem that is only going to get worse is not the answer. They will put together a network of underground armies and when the time is right they will rise up along with the established Islamic Nations to begin their campaign of conversion or death for the infidels.

[Rocket J Squirl]

Most moslims are not terrorists

Most terrorsts are moslim


go figure

[Marlin T]

A View on Islam
By Dr. Emanuel Tanay (psychiatrist). [from Wayne State U.]

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority’, is cowed and extraneous.


Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda which collapsed into butchery. 800,000 slaughtered. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts: the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this e-mail without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and send it on before it's too late.

Emanuel Tanay , MD
Wayne State University
Ann Arbor , Michigan

[cycloneman]

I don't understand why LE doesn't view these radical Islamic people living here as an orginazation trying to over throw our govt. That is what they are trying to do. So why don't we round them up and ship them off. Seems like hiding behind the 1st to me is BS. Islamic people living here and wanting to take over is treason.

[carver]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

I don't understand why LE doesn't view these radical Islamic people living here as an orginazation trying to over throw our govt. That is what they are trying to do. So why don't we round them up and ship them off. Seems like hiding behind the 1st to me is BS. Islamic people living here and wanting to take over is treason.

Because this is America! A country where everyone has freedom of religion. LEO's can not arrest/detain anyone, untill they have commited a crime that can be proven that they did it. They might hold them on suspicion, but they can't deport them or arrest them.

[carver]

I want to ask all of you a couple of questions, where do you think fanatic muslims/radical Islamics come from? Have you read the Quran?

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by carver

Because this is America! A country where everyone has freedom of religion. LEO's can not arrest/detain anyone, untill they have commited a crime that can be proven that they did it. They might hold them on suspicion, but they can't deport them or arrest them.

That is what i dont understand. You can practice your religion what ever it is. But when you conspire to overthrow the govt or take over the country that is when your butt should be in a sling. Where are the laws that protect the country from that? We must have them.

We make it too comfortable for these America hating people to live here.

No I have not read the koo koo ran and not about to.

[PharmrJohn]

Well, if the KKK (our radical white/christian group) didn't manage to beat up the government back in their hayday, I seriously doubt the few Islam guys and gals over hear are going to do damage on the scale of governement take-over. And the KKK was a force to be reckoned with when they were at full power.

I hesitated to write this sentence because my knowledge base in the subject is weak ITO Islam. It is just one of those seems to me thangs.

One of the things I have always wanted to do is read doctorine of the world's primary religions: The Bible (both Old and New Testement), The Tipitaka (Buddhism), Vedas (Hindu) and the Qur'an. Although I am considered a non-believer in any of them, this kind of written word has always fascinated me.

[carver]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

That is what i dont understand. You can practice your religion what ever it is. But when you conspire to overthrow the govt or take over the country that is when your butt should be in a sling. Where are the laws that protect the country from that? We must have them.

We make it too comfortable for these America hating people to live here.

No I have not read the koo koo ran and not about to.

Yes, we do make it too comfortable for these people, but untill they break our laws, we can't do anything with them.

[Trouble 45-70]

The radical Islamists can quote from the Quoran to support their position. Any Muslim who opposes them is guilty of Apostacy. No Muslim is going to risk eternal damnation to protect any unbeliever. No one so far has mentioned that historicaly when the Muslems take over a nation, Sharia not only permits but requires the conversion of all unbelievers, even by the sword. Convert or die. A merciful Caliph may alow the payment of a ghizia or tax representing a substantial portion of your property, nonbelievers have no standing in their courts and enslavement is standard for those conquered. Slaverey in Islamic countries is especialy onerous as they always need a constant new supply of slaves. I will not submit.

[sabashimon]

Here's a few of images from Bosch Fawstin, an ex-Muslim who creates graphic novels, and with whom I have had interesting conversations......his site is worth a look: http://fawstin.blogspot.com/

[carver]

Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

The radical Islamists can quote from the Quoran to support their position. Any Muslim who opposes them is guilty of Apostacy. No Muslim is going to risk eternal damnation to protect any unbeliever. No one so far has mentioned that historicaly when the Muslems take over a nation, Sharia not only permits but requires the conversion of all unbelievers, even by the sword. Convert or die. A merciful Caliph may alow the payment of a ghizia or tax representing a substantial portion of your property, nonbelievers have no standing in their courts and enslavement is standard for those conquered. Slaverey in Islamic countries is especialy onerous as they always need a constant new supply of slaves. I will not submit.

You've been doing your home work!

[Trouble 45-70]

Thanks for the link sabashimon.

[Southern Boy]

Yep, dont seem right, however.... id be willin to bet they got tapped telephones, monitored computors, and more than a few "specialist" keeping an eye on their activities and such. Even with our supreme leader and apologist in controll, the CIA, FBI and so on still try to get the job done. Unless there too busy watching gun owners and christians. Maybe with all the real threats around, there wont be another RubyRidge.

[SpazFreak1911]

IT is said in the holy quran you cannot make one submit to god they must find there own way so who ever is making people convert is not a real Muslim as i said before these radicals are using islam as a shield they use political islam to wage there war and control the muslim world theses people are slaves and they do nothing about it so if they don't stand up and take back there own religion they deserve everything they get

[Trouble 45-70]

Forced conversion, Spaz, is the norm throughout the history of this religion. The few times that the yoke of Islam has been successfully thrown off, the survivors will die rather be enslaved again. Just check out the history of the Balkan States for the last 150 years. Let alone the last 1000 years.

[kingchip]

Originally Posted by SpazFreak1911

IT is said in the holy quran you cannot make one submit to god they must find there own way so who ever is making people convert is not a real Muslim as i said before these radicals are using islam as a shield they use political islam to wage there war and control the muslim world theses people are slaves and they do nothing about it so if they don't stand up and take back there own religion they deserve everything they get

I think they may have other ways to get you to see the light. A friend of mine is an Iranian Christian that came to the states when they cracked down back in the 90's. They were not able to own businesses and lost many rights reserved for muslims, so his family up and moved.

[SpazFreak1911]

ughh i no your talking about the dreadfull ottoman empire and the Islamization of Bosnia and Herzegovina but if we look in to it we can tell his conversion appears to have been neither sudden nor, for the most part, coerced, but rather was a gradual and voluntary process it took more than a hundred years for the number of Slavic Muslims to approach parity with that of Christians, true i can't sit here and tell you there weren't forced convertions in that time "converting" to islam was for economic and social gain the ottomans did alot of terrible things one example of not following the book

[SpazFreak1911]

I know what you guy's mean but this is political islam which i strictly am against its terrible they go against everything there supposed to stand for, inequality, slavery, killing thats why i say no to political islam nothing good can come from it!

[macro01]

Originally Posted by SpazFreak1911

I know what you guy's mean but this is political islam which i strictly am against its terrible they go against everything there supposed to stand for, inequality, slavery, killing thats why i say no to political islam nothing good can come from it!

i agree to you

[45nut]

Originally Posted by Southern Boy

Yep, dont seem right, however.... id be willin to bet they got tapped telephones, monitored computors, and more than a few "specialist" keeping an eye on their activities and such. Even with our supreme leader and apologist in controll, the CIA, FBI and so on still try to get the job done. Unless there too busy watching gun owners and christians. Maybe with all the real threats around, there wont be another RubyRidge.

Or Waco or OK City. Fedzilla is a master of fa.lse flag operations. I wonder if we will see one at a town hall meeting?

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by SpazFreak1911

I know what you guy's mean but this is political islam which i strictly am against its terrible they go against everything there supposed to stand for, inequality, slavery, killing thats why i say no to political islam nothing good can come from it!

So are you saying that you are Anti Islam?

I posted this just for you Spaz
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=65152