Dealing with Taurus

ninjatoth · 08-03-2009, 01:58 PM

I have a Taurus 94 .22.It was having some problems,alot of misfires,locking cylinder etc.Well,on May 23rd,I went to where I purchased the gun to have it shipped back to Taurus for them to honor their lifetime warranty.So I waited and waited,and eventually,46 days later,we called to see what was up.They said it would be done in a week to a week and a half,so today,26 days after we were told that,we called to see what was going on,and they said that I wasn't getting my gun back,and that they were giving me a new gun,and that it ships sometime in august.It's already been 72 days,and they say sometime this month?And how does that work anyways?I am registered to that serial number right?Do I have to get a new permit just to get the gun?Or can they somehow engrave a new gun with that number?I have no Idea how that works.

RJay · 08-03-2009, 07:14 PM

I have no ideal where you live or the laws there, but no, Taurus will not use your old serial number, it will have a new different number.

ninjatoth · 08-03-2009, 07:19 PM

I'm just confused.Do they send me a permit part as if they bought the gun,I live in Michigan by the way,If so that means I have to spend the money and time to get a new permit.I hate doing that stuff.I feel like a foot tall every time I have to go to the police station

gdmoody · 08-03-2009, 09:51 PM

In Michigan, is the carry permit only issued for one particular gun? In Georgia it covers any pistol that you might want to carry!

RJay · 08-03-2009, 11:19 PM

I'm 50 years gone from Michigan, I loved the land , the people and I grew to manhood there. When I turned 18 I left and never looked back. Even at that young age I didn't like the fact that every law passed was for the benefit of Detroit and not for the people of Michigan { Beton Harbor Area }. If as asked, your permit is for one specify gun then I'm afraid you have no choice but play the game. Perhaps someone more recent or living there can answer more fully.

Contenderizer · 08-05-2009, 04:00 PM

If my memory serves me correctly, in MI you need a permit just to purchase a handgun (I, too, am from the water/winter wonderland - but long ago).

I agree with RJay - Taurus will not use the same serial number, so a trip to the local PD will likely be necessary. Speak to Taurus and ask for a letter of explanation. If they cooperate, it may speed-up the process and get the old gun out of your name. Perhaps the paperwork included with the new gun will suffice. Ask the cops what they need. With a great deal of luck, they might actually know.

RJay, are you really that old?

VegasTech702 · 08-05-2009, 04:35 PM

I had a really bad experience with a Taurus 605 Revolver. The whole damn thing fell apart in my hands, the cylinder literally fell off the frame. It took Taurus 2 months and I had to call and be an A$$ to a manager to get it back that fast. No more Taurus for me ever.

cabopc · 08-06-2009, 05:48 PM

Not to downplay what is no doubt frustrating but at least they are sending you a new gun. I'd be happy about that.

RJay · 08-06-2009, 06:03 PM

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RJay, are you really that old? " Only when I look in the mirror, otherwise I think I'm 20

Hammerslagger · 08-14-2009, 04:19 PM

The Michigan Constitution is arguably stronger on the "right to keep and bear arms, without infringement" than the US Constitution. In the late 1920's MI devised a pistol registration scheme called a "Pistol Safety Inspection" to avoid MI constitutional challenges.

About a year ago the requirement for a police safety inspection ended, and we now have an outright registration law. There are no more MI Form RI 11 "Safety Inspection Certificate" {often call "green card" or registration}.

In my opinion, you should advise Taurus that you need clear documentation (like a letter on their company letterhead) of the replacement and disposition (likely destruction) of your old gun and its replacement with the new one. When you receive your replacement handgun and documentation you should write a letter to the Michigan State Police Firearms Records Unit on Harris Dr. in Lansing, MI; and give them photo copies of your documentation from Taurus. Be sure to include a telephone number that you can be reached at if they have questions; and ask them for a written response (which you may not receive). You can get the exact address off the MSP website. Mail you letter from a post office "Certified Mail" with a "return receipt" and keep copies of everything that you send them.

Also, it would be a good idea to furnish copies of what you send to the MSP to your local PD.

This is an unusual situation that the LE desk types do not often have to deal with.

colt · 08-14-2009, 04:30 PM

Feel for ya, good luck.

tim.sr · 08-14-2009, 04:38 PM

in Michigan if you have a ccw just get it in your name you must get that from the gun shop that its going to ie ffl . if you dont have a ccw you will need the purchase permit no cost for the paper to reg the gun at the popo.it cant be shipped to you.

Hammerslagger · 08-14-2009, 05:12 PM

From ninjatoth's original post, I inferred that he sent the handgun directly to Taurus for repair, as he is allowed to do by federal law. They can return his firearm (or likely a replacement; but not sure on this BATF fine point, without doing some time consuming research) directly to him.

If a FFL firearms dealer is (or gets) involved they (it) will have to log the new gun in when it is received. He may need a CPL or Purchase permit to take delivery from the FFL.

08-03-2009, 01:58 PM	#1
ninjatoth Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sanford,Michigan Posts: 369	Dealing with Taurus I have a Taurus 94 .22.It was having some problems,alot of misfires,locking cylinder etc.Well,on May 23rd,I went to where I purchased the gun to have it shipped back to Taurus for them to honor their lifetime warranty.So I waited and waited,and eventually,46 days later,we called to see what was up.They said it would be done in a week to a week and a half,so today,26 days after we were told that,we called to see what was going on,and they said that I wasn't getting my gun back,and that they were giving me a new gun,and that it ships sometime in august.It's already been 72 days,and they say sometime this month?And how does that work anyways?I am registered to that serial number right?Do I have to get a new permit just to get the gun?Or can they somehow engrave a new gun with that number?I have no Idea how that works. -->

08-03-2009, 07:14 PM	#2
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,485	Re: Dealing with Taurus I have no ideal where you live or the laws there, but no, Taurus will not use your old serial number, it will have a new different number. __________________ RonJames

08-03-2009, 07:19 PM	#3
ninjatoth Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sanford,Michigan Posts: 369	Re: Dealing with Taurus I'm just confused.Do they send me a permit part as if they bought the gun,I live in Michigan by the way,If so that means I have to spend the money and time to get a new permit.I hate doing that stuff.I feel like a foot tall every time I have to go to the police station

08-03-2009, 09:51 PM	#4
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,306	Re: Dealing with Taurus In Michigan, is the carry permit only issued for one particular gun? In Georgia it covers any pistol that you might want to carry! __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

08-03-2009, 11:19 PM	#5
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,485	Re: Dealing with Taurus I'm 50 years gone from Michigan, I loved the land , the people and I grew to manhood there. When I turned 18 I left and never looked back. Even at that young age I didn't like the fact that every law passed was for the benefit of Detroit and not for the people of Michigan { Beton Harbor Area }. If as asked, your permit is for one specify gun then I'm afraid you have no choice but play the game. Perhaps someone more recent or living there can answer more fully. __________________ RonJames

08-05-2009, 04:00 PM	#6
Contenderizer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North-Central Florida, USA Posts: 599	Re: Dealing with Taurus If my memory serves me correctly, in MI you need a permit just to purchase a handgun (I, too, am from the water/winter wonderland - but long ago). I agree with RJay - Taurus will not use the same serial number, so a trip to the local PD will likely be necessary. Speak to Taurus and ask for a letter of explanation. If they cooperate, it may speed-up the process and get the old gun out of your name. Perhaps the paperwork included with the new gun will suffice. Ask the cops what they need. With a great deal of luck, they might actually know. RJay, are you really that old? __________________ NOTE: The information herein is provided free of charge. In some instances, you may actually be getting your money's worth. Author of: The History and Guns of Simson & Co., Suhl www.cornellpubs.com

08-05-2009, 04:35 PM	#7
VegasTech702 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 360	Re: Dealing with Taurus I had a really bad experience with a Taurus 605 Revolver. The whole damn thing fell apart in my hands, the cylinder literally fell off the frame. It took Taurus 2 months and I had to call and be an A$$ to a manager to get it back that fast. No more Taurus for me ever. __________________ I am looking for a new, creative thing to say in my signature.

08-06-2009, 05:48 PM	#8
cabopc Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Myers, FL Posts: 2	Re: Dealing with Taurus Not to downplay what is no doubt frustrating but at least they are sending you a new gun. I'd be happy about that.

08-06-2009, 06:03 PM	#9
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,485	Re: Dealing with Taurus " RJay, are you really that old? " Only when I look in the mirror, otherwise I think I'm 20 __________________ RonJames

08-14-2009, 04:19 PM	#10
Hammerslagger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,099	Re: Dealing with Taurus The Michigan Constitution is arguably stronger on the "right to keep and bear arms, without infringement" than the US Constitution. In the late 1920's MI devised a pistol registration scheme called a "Pistol Safety Inspection" to avoid MI constitutional challenges. About a year ago the requirement for a police safety inspection ended, and we now have an outright registration law. There are no more MI Form RI 11 "Safety Inspection Certificate" {often call "green card" or registration}. In my opinion, you should advise Taurus that you need clear documentation (like a letter on their company letterhead) of the replacement and disposition (likely destruction) of your old gun and its replacement with the new one. When you receive your replacement handgun and documentation you should write a letter to the Michigan State Police Firearms Records Unit on Harris Dr. in Lansing, MI; and give them photo copies of your documentation from Taurus. Be sure to include a telephone number that you can be reached at if they have questions; and ask them for a written response (which you may not receive). You can get the exact address off the MSP website. Mail you letter from a post office "Certified Mail" with a "return receipt" and keep copies of everything that you send them. Also, it would be a good idea to furnish copies of what you send to the MSP to your local PD. This is an unusual situation that the LE desk types do not often have to deal with.

08-14-2009, 04:30 PM	#11
colt V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ky. Posts: 147	Re: Dealing with Taurus Feel for ya, good luck.

08-14-2009, 04:38 PM	#12
tim.sr V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: MI. Posts: 290	Re: Dealing with Taurus in Michigan if you have a ccw just get it in your name you must get that from the gun shop that its going to ie ffl . if you dont have a ccw you will need the purchase permit no cost for the paper to reg the gun at the popo.it cant be shipped to you. __________________ Tim.Sr U.S.ARMY VET. Last edited by tim.sr; 08-14-2009 at 04:43 PM..

08-14-2009, 05:12 PM	#13
Hammerslagger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,099	Re: Dealing with Taurus From ninjatoth's original post, I inferred that he sent the handgun directly to Taurus for repair, as he is allowed to do by federal law. They can return his firearm (or likely a replacement; but not sure on this BATF fine point, without doing some time consuming research) directly to him. If a FFL firearms dealer is (or gets) involved they (it) will have to log the new gun in when it is received. He may need a CPL or Purchase permit to take delivery from the FFL.