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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Iam trying to find out what this gun is worth. It still fires but it is wore a little.
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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I have one also, so will wait and see if it is worth anything.
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: houston, tx
Posts: 3,174
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that one patent date was used only on the two H&R shown below between 1909 and 1913.
H&R HAMMERLESS SECOND MODEL SMALL FRAME TOP BREAK (SMOKELESS POWDER)------------------------------1905-1941 Small Frame Double Action Hammerless Top Break revolver with double top post barrel latch; caliber and cylinder capacity, 32 S&W (5 rounds), 22 Rimfire (7 rounds); finish is nickel or blue (optional); grips are hard rubber with a target logo at the top; standard barrel length is 3 ¼ inch, with 4, 5 and 6 inch optional; rebounding hammer; automatic cylinder stop, caliber marking on left side of barrel. CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL DESIGNED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES ONLY First Variation, patent dates 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 90000*-100000* (estimate)-------1905-1906 Second Variation, patent dates 4-2-95, 4-7-96 serial number range 100000*-120000* (estimate)------1907-1909 Third Variation, patent date 10-8-95, serial number range 120000*-180000* (estimate)--1910-1913 Fourth Variation no patent dates small font use for company name. serial number range 180000*-190000*(estimate)----1914-only Fifth variation, large font used in company name and state not spelled out (MASS), serial number range 190000*-200000* (estimate)----1915-only Sixth Variation, state name in address spelled out (MASSACHUSETTS) serial number range 200000*-220000* (estimate)----------------1916-1924 Seventh Variation, new grip frame it is now same width as rest of frame no step down for grips, serial number range unknown------------1925-1942 After 1930 listed in catalogs as: HAMMERLESS No. 40 TOP BREAK 22 Rimfire7 shot and HAMMERLESS No. 45 TOP BREAK 32 S&W 5 shot VALUE: 100%=$265 60%=$75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber H&R PREMER SECOND MODEL SMALL FRAMETOP BREAK R.F. & C.F. Smokeless Powder----------------------------1905-1941 Small fame double action top break revolver with double top post barrel latch; calibers and cylinder capacity, 22 rimfire-7 rounds, 32 S&W, 5 rounds; automatic cylinder stop; standard finish Nickel with case harden hammer and barrel latch; standard barrel length 3 inches, with 2, 4, 5 and 6 inches available as optional; HAS CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL WAS MANUFACTURED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES. There has not been enough data gathered on serial number to try to come up with a serial number range for the different variations. First Variation, model name & caliber marked on left side of barrel, patent dates 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96-----------1905-Only Second Variation, model name & caliber marked on left side of barrel, patent dates 4-2-95, 4-7-96-----1906-1908 Third Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel, patent date 10-8-95-----1909-1913 Fourth Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel, no patent date, state not spelled out in address (MASS)---1914-1915 Fifth Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel same as 4th except different font used in barrel markings---1914-1915 Sixth Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel. State name in barrel marking spelled out (MASSACHUSETTS)---1916-1924 Seventh Variation, new grip frame, there is no step down for the grip panels to fit into----1925-1942 After 1930 listed in catalogs as; PREMIER No. 30 .22 Rimfire 7 shot and PREMIER No. 35.32 S&W 5 shot VALUE: 100%=$265 60%=$75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber; 10% premium for 7th variation bill
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