GLOCK Model 37 .45cal EXPLODES in my 15 year olds hand

[VegasTech702]

GN, don't cry because someone doesn't have your blind lust for Glocks. They are inferior in comparison with the new and improved design of XD. If I were in person, I would stick my tongue out at you and wave from ears followed by saying: "Nanny nanny boo boo"

[TheGunClinger]

I am far from being called an expert but I have seen too many threads about Glock KB's and all the supporting BS about how safe they are and it was because you used reloads and your reloads were double charged and blah blah blah. What I do know is that my Glock 30 SF disintergrated in my hand when I fired it. Very painful! I was using reloads that I loaded using my Lee Pro 1000. I cannot see how I could have had a double charge using this machine. I could have had a bad casing which is possibleas I pick up brass at the range whenever possible. My gunsmith told me that it was another case of the Glock firing out of battery. I previously stated that I am not an expert nor am I even past the newby stage so I have to depend on the experts, many whom are on this forum. I posted this kb awhile ago and recieved answers that said to the effect that my reloads sucked, etc. Maybe they do, maybe they dont. I have fired approx. 2000 rounds of .45 acp through this Glock and 3-4K in my Sig P220. I am pretty sure that my loading tecniques are fairly ok. I also load for my 3 .44 mag Rugers and for my Desert Eagle .50 with no problems at all except for that one kb with my Glock. I have some pics in my album showing the aftermath. My intent with this post is to try to find out that maybe it was the Glock and not me that was the problem or was it me and my loading that is at fault..?? I just want to know stuff. I have heard too many horror stories associated with Glocks and I have heard just as many about stupid loading accidents. I am kinda scared of my Glock now but I wouldnt hesitate to shoot my Desert Eagle .50. Thats a scary gun! Anyhows, go look at my pics and tell me what you all think. The pics of my casing look much like all the other Glock kb's, the Glock smilies, whatever. I would post them here but I screw it up everytime.

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by VegasTech702

GN, don't cry because someone doesn't have your blind lust for Glocks. They are inferior in comparison with the new and improved design of XD. If I were in person, I would stick my tongue out at you and wave from ears followed by saying: "Nanny nanny boo boo"

You wouldn't want to leave your tongue hanging out around me... you might accidentally bite it.....

mike
gn

[jacksonco]

Glocks may not be perfect but neither is the HS2000 (SA XD). The FBI has enough confidence in the Glock to make the G22 and G23 chambered in 40 S&W to make it their standard issue sidearm. And the FBI is a group that does extensive testing on the weapon systems and ammunition that they issue. If they thought that the Glock was inferior or unsafe it would not be accepted by them.

The FBI does issue a Springfield to its special operation groups but it is not the XD. It happens to be a 1911 a1 Government.

Vegas you need to take a pill and calm yourself down. I find that GN likes all most firearms. He even has a dislike of the 40 S&W and 357 SIG model Glocks. For you to resort to the type of narrow minded narrative against Glocks is not called for and certainly not the unwarranted behavior you have exhibited here towards a fellow TFF member.

[GMFWoodchuck]

The gun and ammo failed for whatever reason. Glock makes a good product. Speer makes a good product. Like everything else in existence things fail. You got a new gun out of it. Your son wasn't hurt. There is no reason to have a silly lawsuit. Your son wasn't hurt and guns cost too much as it is.

I think in the end Glock did right, and we should all be happy that no one got hurt. AP, ignore the squables over Glock vs XD. It's no different than the Chevy vs. Ford argument. A simple waste of time. YOu like your gun. YOur son likes it. That's all that matters.

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by glocknut

Any gun can be blown up if a round has a massive overcharge....

I would put my money on my USP's reinforced chamber before many other handguns .

Originally Posted by jacksonco

Glocks may not be perfect but neither is the HS2000 (SA XD). The FBI has enough confidence in the Glock to make the G22 and G23 chambered in 40 S&W to make it their standard issue sidearm. And the FBI is a group that does extensive testing on the weapon systems and ammunition that they issue. If they thought that the Glock was inferior or unsafe it would not be accepted by them.

The problem with that line of logic is that it assumes we have to have faith in the FBI, to care what they have faith in .

Originally Posted by GMFWoodchuck

Like everything else in existence things fail. You got a new gun out of it. Your son wasn't hurt. There is no reason to have a silly lawsuit. Your son wasn't hurt and guns cost too much as it is.

+ 1

[TOOHSOTKIL]

You can point in every direction, it is an OUT OF BATTERY DISTARGE.
Not rocket science.

[the yooper]

verry happy to hear that your son is allrite i am interested in how it turns out . i own 3 glocks a 22/22/23 had a glock for 15 years love them and trust them with my life. cant say nothing bad . but then again gun didnot blow up in my suns hand. by the way my sun is 15 allso and shoots my glocks. hope this dont happen again. this aint much help but good luck. if glock and speer care they will take care of you! bruce

[al45lc]

Out of battery discharge? That's presumptuous, especially in light of barrel cracking. Barrel cracking is more often caused by an obstruction or overpressure at the point of the bullets travel in the barrel, an out of battery would discharge most of it's energy sooner and in the chamber area, as well as down into the mag well.
This could well have been an undercharge or 'squib' that resulted in barrel obstruction, with the following shot causing the damage for all we know. It's all conjecture, with no real answer as to the cause.
Where is the barrel cracked? Halfway down it's length or closer to the chamber? What does the locking area look like? Was the slide stop area heavily battered?
Seriously, we can't determine much without far more evidence.

[tech16024]

I'll never pop off a 45 out of a plastic gun
yeah boostin post count

[whip]

Glad to hear your son is alright and that Glock made good on the firearm. My personal experiences with Glock customer service have been outstanding. I have an early glock 17that has had thousands of rounds put through it. I have broken a few small parts over the years but its still extremely realiable and I would not hesitate to trust it. My son carries a glock 22 as an LEO. He has put thousands of rounds through his glock without a malfunction. The issue ammo is Speer Gold Dot and he feels its extremely good ammo.

[hogger129]

I would question the gun itself. Some Glock handguns had a defect awhile back where the frame rail was not built correctly.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by tech16024

I'll never pop off a 45 out of a plastic gun
yeah boostin post count

It's not necessarily a "plastic" gun. Only the frame is polymer. Nearly everything else on a Glock is steel.

And as for a .45, it might actually have been worse had it been a 9x19 or a .40 S&W since those are both much higher energy cartridges than a .45 ACP/GAP.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

I would put my money on my USP's reinforced chamber before many other handguns .

The USP is the only gun I've ever seen where they intentionally lodged a round in the barrel, chambered another round, fired and surprisingly it cleared the jam without an issue. Toughest gun I've ever seen.

[tech16024]

USP is imho the best 9mm handgun .

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by tech16024

USP is imho the best 9mm handgun .

I really like em. The .45 model has slightly bigger grips than the 9 or .40 version. Very accurate from what I hear too.

[tech16024]

It's a natural pointer for me as well like the 9 because every military in the word uses it
Are you anywhere near Plover? there's a gun show next weekend

[DGG!]

Originally Posted by ArnoldsPupil

So Ill disassemble the pistol tomorrow and take the detailed pics asked for.

Glock is requesting i give up the gun for inspection as well as the ruptured case and unfired ammo.

How should i go about this without giving up ALL my evidence to them and then have them twist the investigation to their way?

Obviously a lawyer will cost thousands of dollars for the 600 dollar istol. Cant really afford or justify this?

I will not clean it but will take pics and video as I disassemble.

Any other thoughts or suggestions

You have pictures and maybe get a local gunsmith to sign an affidavite that he saw the gun and rounds and they were as shown in the picture. Then send the affidavite and the rounds and the pistol and the magazine off to Glock for an investigation/explanation of how this could happen. I would also respectfully ask them for a new "improved" pistol, with a few new magazines and other accessories, as compensation for your time and trouble.

If this happens again with one of their pistols they could be hit with a recall, and they should do a recall if they find a defect.

Looking at the exploded round I'm thinking either you had a squib in the barrel and the round didn't seat fully, or the round was double charged with powder. If you ever pull the trigger and the gun make a bb gun sound with no recoil you should immediately stop, unload and check the barrel for a squib jammed into the barrel by the primer's power.

[woolleyworm]

the OP hasn't logged on since Aug of 2009, wonder what ever happened with all of this?

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by tech16024

It's a natural pointer for me as well like the 9 because every military in the word uses it
Are you anywhere near Plover? there's a gun show next weekend

Where is Plover? I'm near the Madison area.

[tech16024]

Stevens Point, Waupaca area

[Jim Hauff]

I know that there have been at least two similar occurences for the PA State Police.
Glock said it was the ammo - Speer said it was the gun. Police armorer said he was sure it occured because of lack of support at lower rear of chamber - allowing case head separation. I'm not sure how it was settled, haven't seen the State Trooper for over a year.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by woolleyworm

the OP hasn't logged on since Aug of 2009, wonder what ever happened with all of this?

Yea, this is a 2 year old post. I have read it over again and I am still glad to see glock stood behind their product. I have heard of this happening several times with glocks and dont recall hearing of any others having a repeat problem like this. I am not knocking glocks since I do sell them in my shop, but I personally wouldnt buy one for myself. I just dont care for them. I hope that glock has followed up on this and corrected any defects (if any). It must have been scary for him to see this happen to his son of all people. Thank God he was ok.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by Double D

Yea, this is a 2 year old post. I have read it over again and I am still glad to see glock stood behind their product. I have heard of this happening several times with glocks and dont recall hearing of any others having a repeat problem like this. I am not knocking glocks since I do sell them in my shop, but I personally wouldnt buy one for myself. I just dont care for them. I hope that glock has followed up on this and corrected any defects (if any). It must have been scary for him to see this happen to his son of all people. Thank God he was ok.

The real problem was not the gun anyway. Speer had a recall on 45GAP ammo back when this happened. They either used weak cases or wrong powder. I can not remember what it was exactly.

The pistol itself never failed, the ammo did.

[mesinge2]

FYI, I didn't realize it was a zombie post when I posted but here it is anyways:

Originally Posted by VegasTech702

Glad to hear they at least treated you right, now sell the glock and buy and XD, you won't regret it.

Originally Posted by VegasTech702

Hey GLOCK, wake up and smell the XD, no one wants you outdated unsported chamber tupperware. Get with the times man.

Why pay the same amount for the Glockcrap when I can get all the best features with no of the bad in an XD?

-Ambi mag release
-FULLY SUPPORTED CHAMBER AND FEED RAMP! (this post is proof of why that is better)
-Nickel plated metal magazines, not plastic
-Better grip angle for ergonomics
-a triggerguard you can actually fit your finger in
-Fully machined slide
-LIFETIME WARRANTY IN WRITING!
-all xds have a tac rail
-grip safety to prevent out of battery events, will not let slide comeback if not engaged such as when holstering

shall I go on?

Originally Posted by GMFWoodchuck

Edited for specificity sake


[...] Like everything else in existence things fail. [...] AP, ignore the squables over Glock vs XD. It's no different than the Chevy vs. Ford argument. A simple waste of time. YOu like your gun. YOur son likes it. That's all that matters.

Personally, I own two XDm's and am a great fan of the XD and do not care for the Glock, but it has nothing to do will any potential dangerousness or poor quality. I just don't care for the way they fit in my hand. I am a 1911 shooter and the XD just "feels" better in my hands then the Glock.

That being said there is no problem with owning for firing a Glock. It is true there have been quite a few reports of impressive failures with Glocks. But it must be keep in mind that they are also one of the most popular designs today. So, simply because there are more of them they will have reports of failures.

Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdYBc0BLgQ

Every manufacturer (firearm and ammo) occasionally makes a lemon. For example here is an XD failure:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f...trouble-28573/

Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim

I'm with the Glocknut in this one. They are both marginal at best.

+1 for this statement. Even though I like my XDm's they don't hold a candle to my Colts: