odd Home defense ammo - The Firearms Forum

ineedsoap16 · 08-19-2009, 08:05 PM

I saw in a catalogue today some ammo for 12ga home defense that I have not seen before. Just wanted some pros / cons of it. It is a 2 3/4 shell that contains 1 large slug-like projectile and 6 buckshot like projectiles in one cartridge. it was labeled "Home defense round". Any experience with this loading?

Big ugly · 08-20-2009, 02:27 AM

Yup and they are junk. Acuracy falls off sharply at 25 ft and the six balls just go where ever they damn well please. For instance if your bed room is at the end of the hall and you r kids room is between you and the perp, You fire down the hall, you dont even know if the slug is gonna fly on target. Go buy some and fire em off. I tell you aint gonna be inpressed

spartabruce · 08-20-2009, 07:46 AM

I dont have to many places in my house that would give me a 25 ft shot. everything would be preety close so it might be better than just a slug or buck shot esp. for a women not used to either

carver · 08-20-2009, 10:38 AM

IMHO, I would stick with what's been proven to work. You might get only one shot!

Maximilian II · 08-20-2009, 01:48 PM

Only way to know for sure is try some out. I'd trust good ol' fashioned 00 buck though.
Some of those fancy shotgun rounds are said to have the potential to damage your gun, too. They LOOK scary though.
Another thing to consider in any situation where shooting someone is a possibility: I don't know about your local laws or the sensibilities of the LEO and judges, but this type of exotic round has been billed as a "mankiller" round by prosecutors before, to make it seem you used "overkill" or some such thing.
I wish I owned an ammunition manufacturing company, I'd market home-defense "Be Nice to Intruders" ammo, in 00 buck with aspirin powder so it wouldn't hurt so much.

Mjolnir · 08-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximilian II

I wish I owned an ammunition manufacturing company, I'd market home-defense "Be Nice to Intruders" ammo, in 00 buck with aspirin powder so it wouldn't hurt so much.

Careful not to put too much aspirin in there or they might accidentally overdose. Hahaha.

Big ugly · 08-20-2009, 03:38 PM

put in a small capsule of Morphene or Novacaine

delta13soultaker · 08-20-2009, 06:37 PM

Look in that catalog for reduced recoil 00 buckshot.

If you try it, you'll find you get nice tight patterns inside 25 meters, quite a bit less recoil, and less blast. The terminal effect is still the same.

Many many exotic shotgun loads have been tested...they always prove that 2 3/4" 00 buckshot is the standard for combat shotguns. The reduced recoil loads are a step further in the right direction; those loads increase your firepower by helping you stay on target.

ineedsoap16 · 08-20-2009, 06:48 PM

Nice posts. I thought about the "mankiller" thing. They seem as if the ballistics would be horrible. Just wanted to see if anyone has tried em. I may buy a box of 5 just to see how bad they are.

Islandboy · 08-20-2009, 08:34 PM

So what about bean bags, ect ect.
Non lethal rounds for 12 ga.?
Not to say I want any chance of a perp having a second chance but I'm curious about 'em.
Also, a friend has some exploding 12 ga shells

Who make them? They sound fun

FTK87 · 08-20-2009, 10:08 PM

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemD...px?sku=AMM-822

I was about to start a thread about this, I wanted to see if anyone had expirence with these. I would like to try them but am unsure, what would some of the disadvantages be?

delta13soultaker · 08-20-2009, 11:21 PM

Regular 2 3/4" 00 buckshot usually has 9 pellets.

The reduced recoil 2 3/4" 00 buckshot usually has 8 pellets. (1200ish fps)

Looks like those has just 6 pellets. Having never fired 2" shells, that's just an observation.

Big ugly · 08-21-2009, 04:30 AM

island boy them bean bags hurt like hell. I'd rather be shot with an actual round than a bloody bean bag. I have never had anything hurt like that. I'd rather be in a car accident. Here is the story

I donned a foot ball helmet and a hard plastic neck brace to protect the noodle and marched my fatt butt 150 ft from where Ugly SR was and turned my back to him and let him shoot me/ The first shot hit me in the rear and Ugly Sr said it was an accident, The second shot took me in the right shoulder blade. They are not a long range round, After about 200 feet they are pretty much useless. too much drop, At a 150 It hurt and hurt bad, Inside 10o ft they may not be leathel but them damn things will break bones I promise you.

Bill DeShivs · 08-21-2009, 12:52 PM

The Ugly family is apparently not the brightest!

ineedsoap16 · 08-21-2009, 06:37 PM

I think I love the Ugly family. Best stories ever.

Lotsdragon · 08-21-2009, 10:45 PM

LOL the ugly family sounds like my kinda bunch!

ponycar17 · 08-22-2009, 12:50 PM

BU, there's a redneck story there somewhere. "Hold my sign!"...

08-19-2009, 08:05 PM	#1
ineedsoap16 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wilmington DE Posts: 86	odd Home defense ammo I saw in a catalogue today some ammo for 12ga home defense that I have not seen before. Just wanted some pros / cons of it. It is a 2 3/4 shell that contains 1 large slug-like projectile and 6 buckshot like projectiles in one cartridge. it was labeled "Home defense round". Any experience with this loading? __________________ People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people. -->

08-20-2009, 02:27 AM	#2
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: odd Home defense ammo Yup and they are junk. Acuracy falls off sharply at 25 ft and the six balls just go where ever they damn well please. For instance if your bed room is at the end of the hall and you r kids room is between you and the perp, You fire down the hall, you dont even know if the slug is gonna fly on target. Go buy some and fire em off. I tell you aint gonna be inpressed __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

08-20-2009, 07:46 AM	#3
spartabruce Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6	Re: odd Home defense ammo I dont have to many places in my house that would give me a 25 ft shot. everything would be preety close so it might be better than just a slug or buck shot esp. for a women not used to either

08-20-2009, 10:38 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,254	Re: odd Home defense ammo IMHO, I would stick with what's been proven to work. You might get only one shot! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-20-2009, 01:48 PM	#5
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: odd Home defense ammo Only way to know for sure is try some out. I'd trust good ol' fashioned 00 buck though. Some of those fancy shotgun rounds are said to have the potential to damage your gun, too. They LOOK scary though. Another thing to consider in any situation where shooting someone is a possibility: I don't know about your local laws or the sensibilities of the LEO and judges, but this type of exotic round has been billed as a "mankiller" round by prosecutors before, to make it seem you used "overkill" or some such thing. I wish I owned an ammunition manufacturing company, I'd market home-defense "Be Nice to Intruders" ammo, in 00 buck with aspirin powder so it wouldn't hurt so much. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

08-20-2009, 03:38 PM	#7
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: odd Home defense ammo put in a small capsule of Morphene or Novacaine __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

08-20-2009, 06:37 PM	#8
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: odd Home defense ammo Look in that catalog for reduced recoil 00 buckshot. If you try it, you'll find you get nice tight patterns inside 25 meters, quite a bit less recoil, and less blast. The terminal effect is still the same. Many many exotic shotgun loads have been tested...they always prove that 2 3/4" 00 buckshot is the standard for combat shotguns. The reduced recoil loads are a step further in the right direction; those loads increase your firepower by helping you stay on target. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

08-20-2009, 06:48 PM	#9
ineedsoap16 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wilmington DE Posts: 86	Re: odd Home defense ammo Nice posts. I thought about the "mankiller" thing. They seem as if the ballistics would be horrible. Just wanted to see if anyone has tried em. I may buy a box of 5 just to see how bad they are. __________________ People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people.

08-20-2009, 08:34 PM	#10
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: odd Home defense ammo So what about bean bags, ect ect. Non lethal rounds for 12 ga.? Not to say I want any chance of a perp having a second chance but I'm curious about 'em. Also, a friend has some exploding 12 ga shells Who make them? They sound fun __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

08-20-2009, 10:08 PM	#11
FTK87 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chouteau, Oklahoma Posts: 481	Re: odd Home defense ammo http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemD...px?sku=AMM-822 I was about to start a thread about this, I wanted to see if anyone had expirence with these. I would like to try them but am unsure, what would some of the disadvantages be? __________________ I NEED .22-250 BRASS!!! http://www.OklahomaSportsmen.com Last edited by FTK87; 08-20-2009 at 10:11 PM..

08-20-2009, 11:21 PM	#12
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: odd Home defense ammo Regular 2 3/4" 00 buckshot usually has 9 pellets. The reduced recoil 2 3/4" 00 buckshot usually has 8 pellets. (1200ish fps) Looks like those has just 6 pellets. Having never fired 2" shells, that's just an observation. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

08-21-2009, 04:30 AM	#13
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: odd Home defense ammo island boy them bean bags hurt like hell. I'd rather be shot with an actual round than a bloody bean bag. I have never had anything hurt like that. I'd rather be in a car accident. Here is the story I donned a foot ball helmet and a hard plastic neck brace to protect the noodle and marched my fatt butt 150 ft from where Ugly SR was and turned my back to him and let him shoot me/ The first shot hit me in the rear and Ugly Sr said it was an accident, The second shot took me in the right shoulder blade. They are not a long range round, After about 200 feet they are pretty much useless. too much drop, At a 150 It hurt and hurt bad, Inside 10o ft they may not be leathel but them damn things will break bones I promise you. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

08-21-2009, 12:52 PM	#14
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,469	Re: odd Home defense ammo The Ugly family is apparently not the brightest! __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

08-21-2009, 06:37 PM	#15
ineedsoap16 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wilmington DE Posts: 86	Re: odd Home defense ammo I think I love the Ugly family. Best stories ever. __________________ People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people.

08-21-2009, 10:45 PM	#16
Lotsdragon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Potosi, Mo Posts: 813	Re: odd Home defense ammo LOL the ugly family sounds like my kinda bunch! __________________ "First comes smiles,then lies.Last is gunfire" Roland Deschain

08-22-2009, 12:50 PM	#17
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: odd Home defense ammo BU, there's a redneck story there somewhere. "Hold my sign!"... __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book