September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS - The Firearms Forum

45nut · 09-08-2009, 12:38 PM

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Washington, D.C. - On September 25th there will be a national prayer gathering of Muslims on the west front of the U.S. Capitol Building. They are expecting at least 50,000 to attend from mosques all across America. They will gather to pray from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM. The gathering will take place by the site where U.S. Presidents have been inaugurated since 1981. The organizers say that it was Obama's inauguration speech in January and his speech broadcast from Egypt in June that gave them the idea for this prayer gathering on Capitol Hill.

They have a website set up for this event. If you never look at another website look at this one, especially the final words:

ISLAM ON CAPITOL HILL
2 0 0 9

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH....

The objective of this gathering is to invite the Muslim Communities and friends of Islam to express and illustrate the wonderful diversity of Islam. We intend to manifest Islam's majestic spiritual principals as revealed by Allah to our beloved prophet

Muhammad (PEACE BE UPON HIM) of Arabia. Likewise; we intend to inspire a new generation of Muslim to work for the greater good of all people. We shall serve all

people, regardless of race, religion or national origin.

ON THIS DAY....

* The Athan will be chanted on Capitol Hill, echoing off of the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument and other great edifices that surround Capitol Hill
* Thousands of Muslims from all races, creeds, colors and ethnicities will gather for the sole purpose of prayer
* Bonds of friendship will be formed between those in attendance, both Muslims and Non-Muslims
* Muslim youth will experience tours of the Library of Congress and the Supreme Court.
* The peace, beauty and solidarity of Islam will shine through America's capitol.

A DAY OF ISLAMIC UNITY...
..

Jummah prayer
Capitol Hill
September 25, 2009

ISLAMONCAPITOLHILL@GMAIL.COM

OUR TIME HAS COME

Does this P*** off anyone else? My ancestors did not fight in the American Revolution so muslims could gather at the capital to pray to allah. They need to go back to their sand box and leave the US. I say make them convert to immigrate. islam is a religion bent on taking over the world and making us, the INFIDELS convert, at least to submit to sharia law. Law my @$$, I've got a law for them.

We need to do the same thing that Jefferson and the Marines did in the Barbary War, whip their ass and make them submit. When will people wake the hell up????

KTALGSTO

Islandboy · 09-08-2009, 01:32 PM

So, are they showing up with or without explosives for the occasion?

GMFWoodchuck · 09-10-2009, 06:11 AM

Go right ahead and pray. It has no effect on me. I could not care less.

jondar · 09-10-2009, 09:40 AM

They create trouble and dissention wherever they go, France and Denmark come to mind. We're in their crosshairs now. You say, "When will we learn?"
When we vote every Liberal senator and rep out of Washington.

Doc1911 · 09-10-2009, 09:55 AM

President Truman signed the first National Prayer Day proclamation, and President Reagan made it a permanent occasion. Under Bush, the day was a political event, confirming a conviction that religion was a core tenet of Republican politics? Obama ended it and now we have this?

ampaterry · 09-10-2009, 11:04 AM

I would caution people to turn your speakers off prior to opening this site.
The Islamic chanting brought instant nausea to Judy, and diarrhea to me.

Perhaps they could be encouraged to have a hands-on suicide bombing demonstration at the gathering?

4EvrLearning · 09-10-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ampaterry

I would caution people to turn your speakers off prior to opening this site.
The Islamic chanting brought instant nausea to Judy, and diarrhea to me.

Funny you should say that, Terry...in all seriousness, when I opened the site yesterday and heard the chanting, I instantly felt VERY unsettled...quite disturbing.

I'm hoping they're not "collecting" isp addresses............

momo · 09-10-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jondar

They create trouble and dissention wherever they go, France and Denmark come to mind. We're in their crosshairs now. You say, "When will we learn?"
When we vote every Liberal senator and rep out of Washington.

+1

bcj1755 · 09-10-2009, 04:17 PM

Why is it that Barry basically skipped out on the National Day of Prayer (some bilge about praying privately) but yet he seems to be allowing this? Anyone want to make bets on if he'll show up for this one?

VoiceOfReason · 09-24-2009, 08:06 AM

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I say make them convert to immigrate.

Whatever happened to "Freedom and Liberty for All"? or "Innocent until proven guilty"?

This topic has incited religious radicalism amongst us like the kind we accuse the Muslims of. What happened to us? We used to have guns to protect ourselves from unruly government, the reason for the law. Go read it. It doesn't mention defending the home or sporting in word or spirit. Now we can defend our revolving fake lawn houses and murder so-called "game" for so-called sport, or we can kill civilian populations for the actions and the alleged actions of their ruling elites. In the end we still think we are free, we still think we are doing good, and sadly enough, we have been convinced that we are doing God's Work.

Wake up.

Quote:
You say, "When will we learn?"

When we honestly answer the question, "W.W.J.B. -- Who Would Jesus Bomb"

Some of you guys speak with the same fervor and religious zealotry as the so-called Radical Muslim Clerics. We sound like Hitler at the mic decrying the followers of Judaism. Moreover, we as a nation have been lead to attack without justification, and kill women, children, and the old of other nations as though their slaughter would make us more free and good Christians.

The irony is that the Prophet Muhammad taught his followers "there is no compulsion in your religion..." The Prophet Jesus taught his followers "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth..." It seems that according to Islam, religion is not to be forced on anyone, and according to Jesus, the meek, the weak and the infirm are not the bad guys.

How do we, as followers of Christ, justify prosecuting the most expensive war in the history of the world on the victims of Saddam and Osama?

We are being transformed into the WWII era population of Germany. We are bloodthirsty and hateful. And we sure as hell are not asking our Lord to "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do?"

The Voice of Reason sayeth:

Get real!!! Muslims are gathering in the Capitol of Their Country of Birth. Some Americans are Muslims!!! They are gathering to pray! They are praying to the Creator of All existence, who in Arabic is Allah, and in the sister language spoken by our brothers, the Jews, is Ellah. One says Shalom Alaykom, the other says, Salam Alaikum. They are praying to the same god as Christians pray to. This is not speculation. Go to Wikipedia and type in "Allah" and see what you learn. As long as they are coming peacefully, we have no right on them, and anyone who says otherwise is a Bigot at best. Furthermore, if we are the land of the brave still, why don't we get off of our backsides and go to DC tomorrow and run them off. I don't see that happening. Not in DC or anywhere else. Which makes me wonder, "If God is aiding those that are right, why haven't we been able to make them submit?"

I love my country. I love the rest of the world too. God Will Bless America, When she Earns it. And God Will Bless the rest of His Creation in a similar fashion. Take heed, God has blessed this nation with financial collapse and moral decay since we started this war against the inhabitants of the world and no amount of talking stupid, non-religious, racism and bigotry is going to make it better.

Amen
TVOR

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If Jesus didn't die for our sins, We Are Screwed!

4EvrLearning · 09-24-2009, 10:40 AM

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...hite_house.php

June 28, 2005

"The White House Will Become the Muslim House"

Topics: Understanding Islam
Dr. Ahmad Dwidar, imam of the Islamic Center in New York and a lecturer at Manhattan University, did an interview with the Middle East Broadcasting Centre (MBC) on June 9, 2005, that was captured and translated by MEMRI TV (via Little Green Footballs):

View clip at MEMRI(clip #730) or click image at at LGF.

- Translation

Dwidar: In 1995 I heard some sermons, saying that Muslims should march on the White House from some of the mosques.

Host: What do you mean by "march on the White House"?

Dwidar: One cleric said in his sermon: "We are going to the White House, so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will become into the Muslim house."

Host: How? I don't understand.

Dwidar: This is simply a slogan. I'm only saying this to...

Host: Are they going to occupy the White House or what?

Dwidar: No, they say that through the domination of Islam and its ideas, the White House will change.

Host: This will happen one day, but not this way. Islam will be victorious, no doubt, but not this way.

Dwidar: It will not happen unless the Muslims abandon their slogans and become a role model. If a Muslim doctor who invents a cure in the hospital or performs an important operation successfully - all the media will broadcast it live and announce it worldwide. The Muslim who makes do with breaking the wooden podium, with screaming, and with patronizing, condescending rhetoric that "Islam is coming, and it will change the face of the earth," while at the same time he cannot even change the face of the Islamic capitals, which overflow with garbage - this path will lead to no good.

As LGF writes, the imam isn't advocating marching on the White House himself, he's simply saying that he heard other clerics say it. But as far as the White House becoming the "Muslim House," that he has no problem with. However, although he doesn't seem to be "on the same page with the extremists," his message is for Muslims to be patient and they'll have "the First Lady in a burqa (ht - LGF) but they won't get there by pounding and screaming (and presumably blowing things up).

Dwidar does, however, support the Izlamization of America. The only issue has to do with the means to turn the White House into the "Muslim House."

Let's not forget that Islam grants radical Muslims a mandate. It is a mandate to change the existing society into an Islamic society. This isn't about building a few mosques for the needs of Muslim congregations, or schools, or a few cultural centres. It is to make Islam supreme, and thus dominate every aspect of society.

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TVOR: It is my opinion that information such as the above is what causes non-Muslim American citizens to become protective and angry and express hatred.

I am of the belief that we cannot fight hatred with hatred. I have been all over the map with how "I" believe, feel and view what's happening in America and elsewhere in re: to radical Islam forcing itself on others. It may be only 10% (as I've heard) of Muslims who subscribe to the types of ideas espoused above...but that 10% has a lot of money and drive behind it, which makes it a force to be reckoned with.

The sentiments expressed in the article above are not peaceful sentiments. They do not show a "tolerance" of America's people or government. In my opinion, they are tantamount to words of war.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that the vast majority of those heading to the WH tomorrow are peaceful American citizens. That doesn't negate the message that their more radical brothers and sisters have expressed.

If understanding one's enemy is one of the first rules of war, then our country as an entity has a LONG way to go. Our "western minds" have difficulty grasping the radical Muslim mind. And where we fail most, I think, is in believing that a compromise is possible.

For people to go anywhere, en masse, to pray as a unified group--regardless the religion--is a major statement of purpose. We are wise to listen to that statement and take it seriously.

For a very well written and non-hateful book about this topic, I recommend "The Blood of the Moon" by George Grant.

obxned · 09-24-2009, 11:33 AM

This tells us much about the values of our dear leader.

bcj1755 · 09-24-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

Quote:
I say make them convert to immigrate.

Whatever happened to "Freedom and Liberty for All"? or "Innocent until proven guilty"?

This topic has incited religious radicalism amongst us like the kind we accuse the Muslims of. What happened to us? We used to have guns to protect ourselves from unruly government, the reason for the law. Go read it. It doesn't mention defending the home or sporting in word or spirit. Now we can defend our revolving fake lawn houses and murder so-called "game" for so-called sport, or we can kill civilian populations for the actions and the alleged actions of their ruling elites. In the end we still think we are free, we still think we are doing good, and sadly enough, we have been convinced that we are doing God's Work.

Wake up.

Quote:
You say, "When will we learn?"

When we honestly answer the question, "W.W.J.B. -- Who Would Jesus Bomb"

Some of you guys speak with the same fervor and religious zealotry as the so-called Radical Muslim Clerics. We sound like Hitler at the mic decrying the followers of Judaism. Moreover, we as a nation have been lead to attack without justification, and kill women, children, and the old of other nations as though their slaughter would make us more free and good Christians.

The irony is that the Prophet Muhammad taught his followers "there is no compulsion in your religion..." The Prophet Jesus taught his followers "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth..." It seems that according to Islam, religion is not to be forced on anyone, and according to Jesus, the meek, the weak and the infirm are not the bad guys.

How do we, as followers of Christ, justify prosecuting the most expensive war in the history of the world on the victims of Saddam and Osama?

We are being transformed into the WWII era population of Germany. We are bloodthirsty and hateful. And we sure as hell are not asking our Lord to "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do?"

The Voice of Reason sayeth:

Get real!!! Muslims are gathering in the Capitol of Their Country of Birth. Some Americans are Muslims!!! They are gathering to pray! They are praying to the Creator of All existence, who in Arabic is Allah, and in the sister language spoken by our brothers, the Jews, is Ellah. One says Shalom Alaykom, the other says, Salam Alaikum. They are praying to the same god as Christians pray to. This is not speculation. Go to Wikipedia and type in "Allah" and see what you learn. As long as they are coming peacefully, we have no right on them, and anyone who says otherwise is a Bigot at best. Furthermore, if we are the land of the brave still, why don't we get off of our backsides and go to DC tomorrow and run them off. I don't see that happening. Not in DC or anywhere else. Which makes me wonder, "If God is aiding those that are right, why haven't we been able to make them submit?"

I love my country. I love the rest of the world too. God Will Bless America, When she Earns it. And God Will Bless the rest of His Creation in a similar fashion. Take heed, God has blessed this nation with financial collapse and moral decay since we started this war against the inhabitants of the world and no amount of talking stupid, non-religious, racism and bigotry is going to make it better.

Amen
TVOR

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If Jesus didn't die for our sins, We Are Screwed!

I too have known many American and foreign-born Muslims who were, indeed, peaceful, hardworking, family oriented people. But think about this. If, as you're saying, Islam really is a peaceful religion, then why don't the peaceful Muslims speak out against or stand up to the extremists who apparently have hijacked their religion? You NEVER hear about that happening. Or, how about the terrorists that hide in residential Palestinian neighborhoods and launch mortars and rockets at the Israelis? The Palestinian civilians have to know it's going on. Why don't they do something about it? Why don't they turn them in to the Israelis or the Palestinian authorities? Or why don't they at least gang up and force the terrorists out of their neighborhoods? Why is it that when Israelis are killed by the mortars and rockets fired from those neighborhoods, the civilians are in the streets cheering but when the IDF retaliates, they are decring the Israelis as murderers? Civilians die in both cases. The only difference is that the Muslims seem to cheer when the dead civilians are Israeli, but are angry when the dead civilians are Muslim. Many Muslims cheer when Christians are killed by the so-called extremists. There were Muslims in the US cheering on 9/11. There are Christians being killed in Muslim areas for being Christian. You do realize that the Quaran teaches that Muslims must conquer the world, by force if necessary, for Islam. It teaches that the infidels, i.e., you and me and other non-Muslims, must be either converted, forcefully if needed, or be used for slaves or killed outright. If Islam is so peaceful, they why are there "honor killings" as directed by their leaders? How is it peaceful for a man to stab and behead his wife because she tries to divorce him for being abusive? How is it peaceful for an Islmaic gov't to have "order police" roaming the streets and threatening, bullying, and arresting people for dressing in Western clothes, reading Western books and magazines, or watching Western movies? How is beheading people for disagreeing with Islam peaceful? How is calling for the beheading of those who "insult" Islam peaceful?

I do understand where you are coming from. Christ does teach forgivness and understanding. But he also teaches that we are to defend ourselves and our families from attack from those who wish us harm. I don't know about you, but my church has never taught me to go out and kill those who won't convert. My church has never taught me that if I strap a bomb to my chest and blow up a bunch of innocent people that I will go to paradise. My church has never taught me that it is fine to lie to non-members as long as it advances the goals of the church.

While there are, in fact, many peaceful Mulsims in the world, Islam is hardly a peaceful religion at its core.

EddieS1967 · 09-24-2009, 11:46 AM

Thank you bcj1755 for stepping up to the plate and answering with a civil and well thought out response to the trash that was being spewed. I was waiting on someone who could do it without becoming, shall we say "somewhat rude & negative", as I was almost certain my response would have become!!!!!!

Trouble 45-70 · 09-24-2009, 11:59 AM

Bullseye bcj.

cjh7819 · 09-24-2009, 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=VoiceOfReason;512215]Quote:
They are praying to the same god as Christians pray to.

They are not praying to the same God we Christians pray to. If they were they would be praying to God,Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They would be Praying to the Holy Trinity, 3 in one. If you don't believe in the holy trinity and you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, you are not a believer in God. Muslims are praying to Satan who in his wickedness has entered their minds tricking them into thinking he is god and as a result has condemned millions of people to an eternity in hell.

woolleyworm · 09-24-2009, 12:46 PM

My thinking is this; we do spread the invitaion equality and freedom of speech to all. But to those that don't believe in it themselves; then by no means should you get it. To force women to wrap themselves up, gender mutilate them, force marry them at young ages; the Muslim/Islamic religion DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EQUALITY, only total domination and subserviant ways; so screw their "right" to equality and freedom of speech. When their "act" can step up and be founded on principles of THIS country; then we can sit down and get somewhere on a discussion. ( yes yes, i know , there's the arguement that "those muslims in the US aren't like that..... I say a pile of baloney to that; it just happens behind closed doors" )

I usually don't post any comments of these types of subjects, it kinda gets the blood boiling a bit much and can too often be mis-interpreted, but hey, life goes on and it's just my .02.

woolleyworm · 09-24-2009, 05:08 PM

My other thought on this whole matter is this : Just who the heck voted for ONE person to be THE Voice of Reason?????? sounds like troll poop a mile long from my perspective. kind of an arrogant - left wing - Obamish Higher than the Highest ......

Personally, i think we the members of this forum can do our own reasoning, we don't need a self proclaimed VOICE to speak for us.

woolleyworm · 09-24-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fergie

Atta boy Woolyworm, If you can't prove VoiceOfReason wrong, call him names and defame him....

i've not called him ANY names or defamed him, so what is your point?? I've just tried to figure out why they're here... this is a firearms forum and they don't have one single post about firearms whatsoever; seems to me they've got a completely different agenda, one that i personally dont care for and I'd just like to get to the heart of that matter.

EddieS1967 · 09-24-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fergie

Atta boy Woolyworm, If you can't prove VoiceOfReason wrong, call him names and defame him....

Well, I can prove him wrong by simply saying, TVOR nor I make the rules!! God does, and he states that Israel is his chosen people. Yes, when Israel denied HIM, it saddened and disappointed HIM greatly, but HE will deal with Israels transgressions HIMSELF. Not us. They are still his chosen people whether you or I approve of Israels actions or not!!!

Go Woolleyworm

Michael G · 09-24-2009, 05:52 PM

I've got no problem with religious freedom in the USA. But people who come here need to understand and remember that Christianity was, is and should always be the founding and majority religion here. The beacon guiding people to freedom.
Pray anyway you want to. On your knees, rubbing Budda's belly or hanging upside down on a clothes line. I don't care. But if you try to usurp or abolish Christianity in this country. We're going to have a difference of opinion and a big problem.

VoiceOfReason · 09-24-2009, 06:01 PM

Honestly, you are not speaking the truth. Click on my name, and you can read my posts about guns, or that include reference to guns. By your own claim, I thought this was a gun sight and all I've heard is a bunch of religious and political zealotry. Really, if people said about the equally destructive Bush what they say here about Obama, we would have turned them in to Homeland Security.
Get real. Obama and Bush are the same. One just happens to be an Arab that we call a an African-American, who has actually increased everything Bush was already doing, from stripping us of our rights, to sending more troops.
Neither one of them Has got Osama. Osama was the family friend of the Bush's and was employed by Obama's, Zbigniew Brzezinski to start Al-Ciada.
I don't believe in either party cuz it is IMO a well planned hoax that tricks us into working and paying for a world we don't want. Where anything we see we don't like we blame on the opposition. In reality they get equal money from the same villains to get into office, and we think they our for us.
I love guns, the way a child loves his mother, because she will protect the child. The government in DC, since I have been watching haven't protected us from anything except maybe an inconvenient child we might want to murder. I think 9/11 proves my point. 19, 130 lbs, suspicious looking Arab men thwarted the most expensive military in the world, while the Dems and Neo-Cons protected us. Our response is to blame the other party, when they are both to blame.

On another note, I find it a little bit funny that anyone would want to argue with the Voice of Reason, because it is not in line with a particular politically motivated belief.

I intend to follow the forum rules, the Constitution, and the words of Jesus. Jesus wasn't a Republican or a Democrat. He hated them in his time and kicked them out of the synagogue. We want the opposite.

We need a Voice of Reason.

fergie · 09-24-2009, 06:04 PM

Well Woolleyworm, VoiceOfReason is different, I can tell that he reads a lot and he's a breath of fresh air on this forum when it comes to politics. But you know how it goes when people get together and talk politics, we can run into a lot of disagreements. But hey, that's what it's all about discussion and opinions, right? Didn't mean to upset you.....

woolleyworm · 09-24-2009, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

Honestly, you are not speaking the truth. Click on my name, and you can read my posts about guns, or that include reference to guns.
We need a Voice of Reason.

clicked your name before i "opened my mouth" nothing but posts here in the FFE thread and still wondering, just who appointed you to determine that WE NEED a voice of reason????

I would love to sit and discuss this on the same level, but to those that put themselves up on a pedestal...

some people........

guess it goes back to some other previous posts on this matter : 1 - read awhile and put some posts up about FIREARMS and get to KNOW the people here before spouting off what YOU think OTHERS here should be thinking. 2 - and yes, i've got a stick in the nether regions over this, it's called the stupidity staff and VOR just put it there, doesn't rub me the right way at all.

Michael G · 09-24-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

Quote:
I say make them convert to immigrate.

Whatever happened to "Freedom and Liberty for All"? or "Innocent until proven guilty"?

This topic has incited religious radicalism amongst us like the kind we accuse the Muslims of. What happened to us? We used to have guns to protect ourselves from unruly government, the reason for the law. Go read it. It doesn't mention defending the home or sporting in word or spirit. Now we can defend our revolving fake lawn houses and murder so-called "game" for so-called sport, or we can kill civilian populations for the actions and the alleged actions of their ruling elites. In the end we still think we are free, we still think we are doing good, and sadly enough, we have been convinced that we are doing God's Work.

Wake up.

Quote:
You say, "When will we learn?"

When we honestly answer the question, "W.W.J.B. -- Who Would Jesus Bomb"

Some of you guys speak with the same fervor and religious zealotry as the so-called Radical Muslim Clerics. We sound like Hitler at the mic decrying the followers of Judaism. Moreover, we as a nation have been lead to attack without justification, and kill women, children, and the old of other nations as though their slaughter would make us more free and good Christians.

The irony is that the Prophet Muhammad taught his followers "there is no compulsion in your religion..." The Prophet Jesus taught his followers "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth..." It seems that according to Islam, religion is not to be forced on anyone, and according to Jesus, the meek, the weak and the infirm are not the bad guys.

How do we, as followers of Christ, justify prosecuting the most expensive war in the history of the world on the victims of Saddam and Osama?

We are being transformed into the WWII era population of Germany. We are bloodthirsty and hateful. And we sure as hell are not asking our Lord to "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do?"

The Voice of Reason sayeth:

Get real!!! Muslims are gathering in the Capitol of Their Country of Birth. Some Americans are Muslims!!! They are gathering to pray! They are praying to the Creator of All existence, who in Arabic is Allah, and in the sister language spoken by our brothers, the Jews, is Ellah. One says Shalom Alaykom, the other says, Salam Alaikum. They are praying to the same god as Christians pray to. This is not speculation. Go to Wikipedia and type in "Allah" and see what you learn. As long as they are coming peacefully, we have no right on them, and anyone who says otherwise is a Bigot at best. Furthermore, if we are the land of the brave still, why don't we get off of our backsides and go to DC tomorrow and run them off. I don't see that happening. Not in DC or anywhere else. Which makes me wonder, "If God is aiding those that are right, why haven't we been able to make them submit?"

I love my country. I love the rest of the world too. God Will Bless America, When she Earns it. And God Will Bless the rest of His Creation in a similar fashion. Take heed, God has blessed this nation with financial collapse and moral decay since we started this war against the inhabitants of the world and no amount of talking stupid, non-religious, racism and bigotry is going to make it better.

Amen
TVOR

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If Jesus didn't die for our sins, We Are Screwed!

TVOR,
I think your blood pressure's so high your starting to sound like the politicians in Washington who say " If you don't agree with me, your a racist". Because that's what you just said. Did you read the title of this forum? Politically incorrect.

09-08-2009, 12:38 PM	#1
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Website here Washington, D.C. - On September 25th there will be a national prayer gathering of Muslims on the west front of the U.S. Capitol Building. They are expecting at least 50,000 to attend from mosques all across America. They will gather to pray from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM. The gathering will take place by the site where U.S. Presidents have been inaugurated since 1981. The organizers say that it was Obama's inauguration speech in January and his speech broadcast from Egypt in June that gave them the idea for this prayer gathering on Capitol Hill. They have a website set up for this event. If you never look at another website look at this one, especially the final words: ISLAM ON CAPITOL HILL 2 0 0 9 IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.... The objective of this gathering is to invite the Muslim Communities and friends of Islam to express and illustrate the wonderful diversity of Islam. We intend to manifest Islam's majestic spiritual principals as revealed by Allah to our beloved prophet Muhammad (PEACE BE UPON HIM) of Arabia. Likewise; we intend to inspire a new generation of Muslim to work for the greater good of all people. We shall serve all people, regardless of race, religion or national origin. ON THIS DAY.... * The Athan will be chanted on Capitol Hill, echoing off of the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument and other great edifices that surround Capitol Hill * Thousands of Muslims from all races, creeds, colors and ethnicities will gather for the sole purpose of prayer * Bonds of friendship will be formed between those in attendance, both Muslims and Non-Muslims * Muslim youth will experience tours of the Library of Congress and the Supreme Court. * The peace, beauty and solidarity of Islam will shine through America's capitol. A DAY OF ISLAMIC UNITY... .. Jummah prayer Capitol Hill September 25, 2009 ISLAMONCAPITOLHILL@GMAIL.COM OUR TIME HAS COME Does this P* off anyone else? My ancestors did not fight in the American Revolution so muslims could gather at the capital to pray to allah. They need to go back to their sand box and leave the US. I say make them convert to immigrate. islam is a religion bent on taking over the world and making us, the INFIDELS convert, at least to submit to sharia law. Law my @$$, I've got a law for them. We need to do the same thing that Jefferson and the Marines did in the Barbary War, whip their ass and make them submit. When will people wake the hell up???? KTALGSTO** __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* -->

09-08-2009, 01:32 PM	#2
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS So, are they showing up with or without explosives for the occasion? __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful. Last edited by Islandboy; 09-08-2009 at 01:33 PM..

09-10-2009, 06:11 AM	#3
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Go right ahead and pray. It has no effect on me. I could not care less.

09-10-2009, 09:40 AM	#4
jondar V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 458	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS They create trouble and dissention wherever they go, France and Denmark come to mind. We're in their crosshairs now. You say, "When will we learn?" When we vote every Liberal senator and rep out of Washington.

09-10-2009, 09:55 AM	#5
Doc1911 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Posts: 874	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS President Truman signed the first National Prayer Day proclamation, and President Reagan made it a permanent occasion. Under Bush, the day was a political event, confirming a conviction that religion was a core tenet of Republican politics? Obama ended it and now we have this? __________________ _____ Sincerely, Doc NRA Life Member

09-10-2009, 11:04 AM	#6
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,298	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS I would caution people to turn your speakers off prior to opening this site. The Islamic chanting brought instant nausea to Judy, and diarrhea to me. Perhaps they could be encouraged to have a hands-on suicide bombing demonstration at the gathering? __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

09-10-2009, 04:17 PM	#9
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Why is it that Barry basically skipped out on the National Day of Prayer (some bilge about praying privately) but yet he seems to be allowing this? Anyone want to make bets on if he'll show up for this one? __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

09-24-2009, 08:06 AM	#10
VoiceOfReason Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Quote: I say make them convert to immigrate. Whatever happened to "Freedom and Liberty for All"? or "Innocent until proven guilty"? This topic has incited religious radicalism amongst us like the kind we accuse the Muslims of. What happened to us? We used to have guns to protect ourselves from unruly government, the reason for the law. Go read it. It doesn't mention defending the home or sporting in word or spirit. Now we can defend our revolving fake lawn houses and murder so-called "game" for so-called sport, or we can kill civilian populations for the actions and the alleged actions of their ruling elites. In the end we still think we are free, we still think we are doing good, and sadly enough, we have been convinced that we are doing God's Work. Wake up. Quote: You say, "When will we learn?" When we honestly answer the question, "W.W.J.B. -- Who Would Jesus Bomb" Some of you guys speak with the same fervor and religious zealotry as the so-called Radical Muslim Clerics. We sound like Hitler at the mic decrying the followers of Judaism. Moreover, we as a nation have been lead to attack without justification, and kill women, children, and the old of other nations as though their slaughter would make us more free and good Christians. The irony is that the Prophet Muhammad taught his followers "there is no compulsion in your religion..." The Prophet Jesus taught his followers "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth..." It seems that according to Islam, religion is not to be forced on anyone, and according to Jesus, the meek, the weak and the infirm are not the bad guys. How do we, as followers of Christ, justify prosecuting the most expensive war in the history of the world on the victims of Saddam and Osama? We are being transformed into the WWII era population of Germany. We are bloodthirsty and hateful. And we sure as hell are not asking our Lord to "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do?" The Voice of Reason sayeth: Get real!!! Muslims are gathering in the Capitol of Their Country of Birth. Some Americans are Muslims!!! They are gathering to pray! They are praying to the Creator of All existence, who in Arabic is Allah, and in the sister language spoken by our brothers, the Jews, is Ellah. One says Shalom Alaykom, the other says, Salam Alaikum. They are praying to the same god as Christians pray to. This is not speculation. Go to Wikipedia and type in "Allah" and see what you learn. As long as they are coming peacefully, we have no right on them, and anyone who says otherwise is a Bigot at best. Furthermore, if we are the land of the brave still, why don't we get off of our backsides and go to DC tomorrow and run them off. I don't see that happening. Not in DC or anywhere else. Which makes me wonder, "If God is aiding those that are right, why haven't we been able to make them submit?" I love my country. I love the rest of the world too. God Will Bless America, When she Earns it. And God Will Bless the rest of His Creation in a similar fashion. Take heed, God has blessed this nation with financial collapse and moral decay since we started this war against the inhabitants of the world and no amount of talking stupid, non-religious, racism and bigotry is going to make it better. Amen TVOR ---------------------------------- If Jesus didn't die for our sins, We Are Screwed!

09-24-2009, 10:40 AM	#11
4EvrLearning Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Left Coast Posts: 1,449	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...hite_house.php June 28, 2005 "The White House Will Become the Muslim House" Topics: Understanding Islam Dr. Ahmad Dwidar, imam of the Islamic Center in New York and a lecturer at Manhattan University, did an interview with the Middle East Broadcasting Centre (MBC) on June 9, 2005, that was captured and translated by MEMRI TV (via Little Green Footballs): View clip at MEMRI(clip #730) or click image at at LGF. - Translation Dwidar: In 1995 I heard some sermons, saying that Muslims should march on the White House from some of the mosques. Host: What do you mean by "march on the White House"? Dwidar: One cleric said in his sermon: "We are going to the White House, so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will become into the Muslim house." Host: How? I don't understand. Dwidar: This is simply a slogan. I'm only saying this to... Host: Are they going to occupy the White House or what? Dwidar: No, they say that through the domination of Islam and its ideas, the White House will change. Host: This will happen one day, but not this way. Islam will be victorious, no doubt, but not this way. Dwidar: It will not happen unless the Muslims abandon their slogans and become a role model. If a Muslim doctor who invents a cure in the hospital or performs an important operation successfully - all the media will broadcast it live and announce it worldwide. The Muslim who makes do with breaking the wooden podium, with screaming, and with patronizing, condescending rhetoric that "Islam is coming, and it will change the face of the earth," while at the same time he cannot even change the face of the Islamic capitals, which overflow with garbage - this path will lead to no good. As LGF writes, the imam isn't advocating marching on the White House himself, he's simply saying that he heard other clerics say it. But as far as the White House becoming the "Muslim House," that he has no problem with. However, although he doesn't seem to be "on the same page with the extremists," his message is for Muslims to be patient and they'll have "the First Lady in a burqa (ht - LGF) but they won't get there by pounding and screaming (and presumably blowing things up). Dwidar does, however, support the Izlamization of America. The only issue has to do with the means to turn the White House into the "Muslim House." Let's not forget that Islam grants radical Muslims a mandate. It is a mandate to change the existing society into an Islamic society. This isn't about building a few mosques for the needs of Muslim congregations, or schools, or a few cultural centres. It is to make Islam supreme, and thus dominate every aspect of society. ------------ TVOR: It is my opinion that information such as the above is what causes non-Muslim American citizens to become protective and angry and express hatred. I am of the belief that we cannot fight hatred with hatred. I have been all over the map with how "I" believe, feel and view what's happening in America and elsewhere in re: to radical Islam forcing itself on others. It may be only 10% (as I've heard) of Muslims who subscribe to the types of ideas espoused above...but that 10% has a lot of money and drive behind it, which makes it a force to be reckoned with. The sentiments expressed in the article above are not peaceful sentiments. They do not show a "tolerance" of America's people or government. In my opinion, they are tantamount to words of war. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the vast majority of those heading to the WH tomorrow are peaceful American citizens. That doesn't negate the message that their more radical brothers and sisters have expressed. If understanding one's enemy is one of the first rules of war, then our country as an entity has a LONG way to go. Our "western minds" have difficulty grasping the radical Muslim mind. And where we fail most, I think, is in believing that a compromise is possible. For people to go anywhere, en masse, to pray as a unified group--regardless the religion--is a major statement of purpose. We are wise to listen to that statement and take it seriously. For a very well written and non-hateful book about this topic, I recommend "The Blood of the Moon" by George Grant. __________________ *"Until God is finished with me, I am immortal." Jonathan Edwards, American Theologian (1703-1758)*

09-24-2009, 11:33 AM	#12
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS This tells us much about the values of our dear leader. __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

09-24-2009, 11:46 AM	#14
EddieS1967 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Location:Location: Posts: 304	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Thank you bcj1755 for stepping up to the plate and answering with a civil and well thought out response to the trash that was being spewed. I was waiting on someone who could do it without becoming, shall we say "somewhat rude & negative", as I was almost certain my response would have become!!!!!! __________________ "First at Bethel, Farthest at Gettysburg & Chickamauga, and Last at Appomattox." ___________________________________________________________________________ "Cheer Up!!! It's only going to get worse!!!

09-24-2009, 11:59 AM	#15
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Bullseye bcj.

09-24-2009, 12:27 PM	#16
cjh7819 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 137	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS [QUOTE=VoiceOfReason;512215]Quote: They are praying to the same god as Christians pray to. They are not praying to the same God we Christians pray to. If they were they would be praying to God,Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They would be Praying to the Holy Trinity, 3 in one. If you don't believe in the holy trinity and you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, you are not a believer in God. Muslims are praying to Satan who in his wickedness has entered their minds tricking them into thinking he is god and as a result has condemned millions of people to an eternity in hell.

09-24-2009, 12:46 PM	#17
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS My thinking is this; we do spread the invitaion equality and freedom of speech to all. But to those that don't believe in it themselves; then by no means should you get it. To force women to wrap themselves up, gender mutilate them, force marry them at young ages; the Muslim/Islamic religion DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EQUALITY, only total domination and subserviant ways; so screw their "right" to equality and freedom of speech. When their "act" can step up and be founded on principles of THIS country; then we can sit down and get somewhere on a discussion. ( yes yes, i know , there's the arguement that "those muslims in the US aren't like that..... I say a pile of baloney to that; it just happens behind closed doors" ) I usually don't post any comments of these types of subjects, it kinda gets the blood boiling a bit much and can too often be mis-interpreted, but hey, life goes on and it's just my .02. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

09-24-2009, 05:08 PM	#18
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS My other thought on this whole matter is this : Just who the heck voted for ONE person to be THE Voice of Reason?????? sounds like troll poop a mile long from my perspective. kind of an arrogant - left wing - Obamish Higher than the Highest ...... Personally, i think we the members of this forum can do our own reasoning, we don't need a self proclaimed VOICE to speak for us. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

09-24-2009, 05:52 PM	#21
Michael G V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Garland Texas Posts: 366	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS I've got no problem with religious freedom in the USA. But people who come here need to understand and remember that Christianity was, is and should always be the founding and majority religion here. The beacon guiding people to freedom. Pray anyway you want to. On your knees, rubbing Budda's belly or hanging upside down on a clothes line. I don't care. But if you try to usurp or abolish Christianity in this country. We're going to have a difference of opinion and a big problem. __________________ Kids now a days have a lot of smarts. What they lack is a bucket load of common sense.

09-24-2009, 06:01 PM	#22
VoiceOfReason Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Honestly, you are not speaking the truth. Click on my name, and you can read my posts about guns, or that include reference to guns. By your own claim, I thought this was a gun sight and all I've heard is a bunch of religious and political zealotry. Really, if people said about the equally destructive Bush what they say here about Obama, we would have turned them in to Homeland Security. Get real. Obama and Bush are the same. One just happens to be an Arab that we call a an African-American, who has actually increased everything Bush was already doing, from stripping us of our rights, to sending more troops. Neither one of them Has got Osama. Osama was the family friend of the Bush's and was employed by Obama's, Zbigniew Brzezinski to start Al-Ciada. I don't believe in either party cuz it is IMO a well planned hoax that tricks us into working and paying for a world we don't want. Where anything we see we don't like we blame on the opposition. In reality they get equal money from the same villains to get into office, and we think they our for us. I love guns, the way a child loves his mother, because she will protect the child. The government in DC, since I have been watching haven't protected us from anything except maybe an inconvenient child we might want to murder. I think 9/11 proves my point. 19, 130 lbs, suspicious looking Arab men thwarted the most expensive military in the world, while the Dems and Neo-Cons protected us. Our response is to blame the other party, when they are both to blame. On another note, I find it a little bit funny that anyone would want to argue with the Voice of Reason, because it is not in line with a particular politically motivated belief. I intend to follow the forum rules, the Constitution, and the words of Jesus. Jesus wasn't a Republican or a Democrat. He hated them in his time and kicked them out of the synagogue. We want the opposite. We need a Voice of Reason.

09-24-2009, 06:04 PM	#23
fergie Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10	Re: September 25, 2009 National Day of Prayer for MUSLIMS Well Woolleyworm, VoiceOfReason is different, I can tell that he reads a lot and he's a breath of fresh air on this forum when it comes to politics. But you know how it goes when people get together and talk politics, we can run into a lot of disagreements. But hey, that's what it's all about discussion and opinions, right? Didn't mean to upset you.....