Open Carry in Kentucky - Page 2

Couchracer · 01-15-2011, 09:13 AM

I retired from Law Enforcement in Florida and moved to Kentucky. Im back at in Kentucky and will tell you....
1. Any Non-Felon CAN legally carry a forearm openly in the sate without a permit.
2. Retired LEOS's may carry concealed anywhere in the USA under LEOSA.
3. LEO's cannot give you a hard time. The law is the law. They cant make their own up as they go. Can some hillbilly cowboy illegally give you a hard time.... sure. Just yes sir him away and continue on with your business.

My concern is this; There is a very big active "Columbine" type shooter problem in the US today. Law enforcement cannot effectively respond to the problem because it starts and ends within 2 - 5 minutes, and usually ends up with the shooter popping himself (Yes HIMself, 99% of active shooters are male). The only way to combat this problem lays in the citizens hands... and arming lawful citizens will squash this problem quick.

So bottom line, this is one retired Florida and current Kentucky LEO telling you-- OPEN CARRY IF YOU CAN, LEGALLY CONCEAL CARRY IF YOU CAN'T!

jjmitchell60 · 01-15-2011, 10:04 AM

I live in KY and do not open carry, I do have my CCW so I carry concealed. Reason I do not open carry is too many who THINK they know the laws do not and most of them run eother a smaller town WalMarts or a fast food place some where. Thus if I carry concealed and being I have my CCW, no hassles. NOW there is one hitch to the open carry in KY. IF you are carrying openly, get cold so put on a coat, AND that coat covers your firearm and holster COMPLETELY; then you are actually carrying concealed and if not a CCW holder, there is a chance you could get in trouble especially if you run across some deputy dog who wants to make a name for himself. It has happened and thankfullly the judge dismissed it in court however the person did have to go throught a lot to get it dismissed.

Couchracer · 01-15-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell60

I live in KY and do not open carry, I do have my CCW so I carry concealed. Reason I do not open carry is too many who THINK they know the laws do not and most of them run eother a smaller town WalMarts or a fast food place some where. Thus if I carry concealed and being I have my CCW, no hassles. NOW there is one hitch to the open carry in KY. IF you are carrying openly, get cold so put on a coat, AND that coat covers your firearm and holster COMPLETELY; then you are actually carrying concealed and if not a CCW holder, there is a chance you could get in trouble especially if you run across some deputy dog who wants to make a name for himself. It has happened and thankfullly the judge dismissed it in court however the person did have to go throught a lot to get it dismissed.

You're correct. Once the jacket goes on, technically its concealed.

johnlives4christ · 01-15-2011, 05:56 PM

welcome two the forum and God bless you couchracer!

as you might have noticed from my posts, i open carry here in kentucky. i live in hardin county. i have never had a problem. i've even carried in the county clerks office. when i did, i had a police officer come up behind me and we exchanged a hellos and such. he must have known it was legal for me to open carry as he didnt say or do anything.

i absolutely support the right to carry a firearm both openly and concealed.

the biggest problem we have in kentucky when open carry if you dont also have a ccw license is if you're in a vehicle. i've been told several times that in the glove box is the only place you can carry a handgun in a vehicle. also been told that if it's open in the vehicle, on the seat or dash or something it would be legal, but have been told illegal as well. the law is unclear on the matter from what research i have done.

all gun laws are bs if you ask me. criminals dont obey the law... citizens get punished

Rocketman1 · 01-15-2011, 07:38 PM

You know the gun laws realy are screwed up. You must pay a fee and take a class to obtain your CCW, but you can open carry with out any test or fee what so ever.

It is also legal here in Ohio to open carry, although I have never seen anyone do it. However if you do not have your CCW, then you will have to unload the gun and your mags when you travel in your car. If you have your CCW, then you can carry in your car, but you can not:

knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun, or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person’s hands or fingers while the motor vehicle is being operated.

johnlives4christ · 01-28-2011, 10:31 AM

hmmmm thats dumb rocketman. so you're saying i cant practice spinning my single action why driving... what a crock.

gun laws are just like most other laws. written by stupid people who probably couldnt balance a check book, let alone the budget for a county/city/country

johnlives4christ · 01-28-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Couchracer

Can some hillbilly cowboy illegally give you a hard time.... sure. Just yes sir him away and continue on with your business.

i went and picked up my wife while her parents were on vacation.. when word got out her daddy had the law on my butt. since i was 2 states away they called my cell and complained. since the wife was over 18 at the time the cops and daddy was pretty much chasing their tails. but the cop was fired up, rightfully so thinking i had kidnapped a little girl. but anyways. i must have said yes sir 150 times in that conversation. he told me... i could have you in jail by the end of the day. maybe he could... but i was thinking... sure you could buddy.... im 2 states away and i know my area.

redwing carson · 01-28-2011, 11:07 AM

I was checking into Ky handgun laws. I will be passing thru Ky in Feb. The laws are very good . I did notice one strange code however. The Ky law is very strict on concealed carry. The law states that you can not carry conceled on your private property or inside your home without a conceled carry permit. I thought this to be an invasion of personal freedom. This will not cause a problem for me passing thru the state. Wyoming law has always allowed open carry a concealed carry is needed to carry concealed in public places. We can not carry in bars. We may have a Vermont type of law soon the bill has passed the senate this week.

RC

Double D · 01-28-2011, 02:41 PM

I would enjoy open carry. I like a thigh holster rig that staps to your belt and around your leg. Your gun is easy to access while driving too. The state of Florida does not allow open carry, probably because of the high population of retirees. I dont really know why. Most gun laws dont make sense anyhow. Lets just get back to the 2nd ammendment and forget the rest.

johnlives4christ · 01-28-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Most gun laws dont make sense anyhow. Lets just get back to the 2nd ammendment and forget the rest.

this makes a lot of sense

carson. i know right... that is stupid you cant conceal at home. and if you get caught is a felony im told. one plus though. you can disregard all private business no firearms signs. and if caught you have not broken any law, they can ask you to leave.

dont forget, the manual here says. in ky your license also means you can carry ninja stars... i mean.. yeah baby... lots of people pack ninja stars in kentucky... ninja capital of the world

redwing carson · 01-30-2011, 07:30 AM

Stars I don't know about those things. J4C can you carry a switch blade in Ky with or with out a permit?? My last visit to Ky was in 1966. I was hunting white tail deer near Bowling Green. I think we were hunting near the Barren River not sure maybe wrong on the name. I am sure many things have changed over the years.

RC

johnlives4christ · 01-30-2011, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by redwing carson

Stars I don't know about those things. J4C can you carry a switch blade in Ky with or with out a permit?? My last visit to Ky was in 1966. I was hunting white tail deer near Bowling Green. I think we were hunting near the Barren River not sure maybe wrong on the name. I am sure many things have changed over the years.

RC

you can carry a switchblade with a ccw license. not without though. without a permit you can carry any other knife openly and you can conceal "an ordinary pocket or hunting knife"

im pretty sure that is the barren river.

redwing carson · 01-30-2011, 07:53 AM

J4C thx for the up date.

RC

gun-nut · 01-30-2011, 12:37 PM

this is cool

Couchracer · 01-30-2011, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwing carson

I was checking into Ky handgun laws. I will be passing thru Ky in Feb. The laws are very good . I did notice one strange code however. The Ky law is very strict on concealed carry. The law states that you can not carry conceled on your private property or inside your home without a conceled carry permit. I thought this to be an invasion of personal freedom. This will not cause a problem for me passing thru the state. Wyoming law has always allowed open carry a concealed carry is needed to carry concealed in public places. We can not carry in bars. We may have a Vermont type of law soon the bill has passed the senate this week.

RC

Nobody is going to question you about carrying concealed within your home. Kentucky also has a great "Stand your ground" law (KRS 503.080 Protection of property. and KRS 503.055 Use of defensive force regarding dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle -- Exceptions.).

Bottom line is; protect yourself and your loved ones. Don't be a victim. Armed citizens are the only answer to the active shooter problem we have here in the USA. I will assure you, my deterrent is strapped to my side on and off duty! Exercise your right to carry a firearm! Criminals do!

Popgunner · 01-30-2011, 06:11 PM

This idiot has been showing up at our local mall with more & more intimidating weapons. Folks don't worry about a sidearm around here too much but If I would have run into this guy with his rifle at the mall I'd have been worried about having to take him out. What logical reason is there to take a "black" rifle to the mall & walk around? He's been doing it the last couple of months.
He's working hard to ruin the progress we've made here in Utah for carry.
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=14078120&nid=148

Couchracer · 01-30-2011, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popgunner

This idiot has been showing up at our local mall with more & more intimidating weapons. Folks don't worry about a sidearm around here too much but If I would have run into this guy with his rifle at the mall I'd have been worried about having to take him out. What logical reason is there to take a "black" rifle to the mall & walk around? He's been doing it the last couple of months.
He's working hard to ruin the progress we've made here in Utah for carry.
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=14078120&nid=148

I agree, what an idiot. I think that carrying a firearm in a way that is menacing or is carried in a way that causes fear or a disruption should not be legal. I belive this guys actions are disorderly, and I agree with what the authorities are doing.

johnlives4christ · 01-31-2011, 08:02 AM

i dont see how this guy did anything wrong. while it wasnt the best decision to openly carry a rifle into a mall, and it's not needed either, what he did is no different then carrying a hand gun openly. he did have the rifle slung. he should have had sense enough to leave his long gun in the car. most know that it will draw the kind of bad attention he got. but to say he's an idiot or in some way say he shouldnt be allowed to carry a rifle is just as bad as saying those things about him carrying a pistol.

what if his only gun was a long gun? should he then be forced to go unarmed because carrying long guns isnt popular but handguns is okay? what if he was 18 and couldnt carry a handgun legally? do you think he should be denied his right to self defense then?

i personally dont see where the 2nd amendment limits a persons right to bear arms to handguns only.

yall both need to think about it, was it unwise? yes. but was it wrong? no is he an idiot? no. he's exercising his 2nd amendment rights. same as carrying a hand gun.

Couchracer · 01-31-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

i dont see how this guy did anything wrong. while it wasnt the best decision to openly carry a rifle into a mall, and it's not needed either, what he did is no different then carrying a hand gun openly. he did have the rifle slung. he should have had sense enough to leave his long gun in the car. most know that it will draw the kind of bad attention he got. but to say he's an idiot or in some way say he shouldnt be allowed to carry a rifle is just as bad as saying those things about him carrying a pistol.

what if his only gun was a long gun? should he then be forced to go unarmed because carrying long guns isnt popular but handguns is okay? what if he was 18 and couldnt carry a handgun legally? do you think he should be denied his right to self defense then?

i personally dont see where the 2nd amendment limits a persons right to bear arms to handguns only.

yall both need to think about it, was it unwise? yes. but was it wrong? no is he an idiot? no. he's exercising his 2nd amendment rights. same as carrying a hand gun.

I have to say that I disagree. Carrying a firearm in a manner that causes a resonable person to become alarmed, such as not in the holster, level to the eye, or in any aggressive or confrontational manner should not be, and is not legal anywhere. If the long rifle was not carried strapped over the shoulder in the public mall setting that he was in, that would cause alarm. A resonable person would not carry an assault weapon in that environment, especially unshouldered.

For instance, carrying a baseball bat is legal. However, approaching someone with the bat cocked back ready to strike that person, and that person is fearful of imminent danger, the carrying that bat now becomes a felony. Nothing is different with a firearm. Common sense needs to prevail. Carrying an assault rifle in a public mall setting IS just plain stupid.

johnlives4christ · 01-31-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Couchracer

I have to say that I disagree. Carrying a firearm in a manner that causes a resonable person to become alarmed, such as not in the holster, level to the eye, or in any aggressive or confrontational manner should not be, and is not legal anywhere. If the long rifle was not carried strapped over the shoulder in the public mall setting that he was in, that would cause alarm. A resonable person would not carry an assault weapon in that environment, especially unshouldered.

For instance, carrying a baseball bat is legal. However, approaching someone with the bat cocked back ready to strike that person, and that person is fearful of imminent danger, the carrying that bat now becomes a felony. Nothing is different with a firearm. Common sense needs to prevail. Carrying an assault rifle in a public mall setting IS just plain stupid.

true. in the video he had the rifle slung and said he carried like this. it was slung in front, but slung none the less.

"Carrying a firearm in a manner that causes a reasonable person to become alarmed, such as not in the holster, level to the eye, or in any aggressive or confrontational manner should not be, and is not legal anywhere." i would say most people would become alarmed at the sight of any gun being carried in a public place, such as a mall. it shouldnt matter if they are alarmed or feel threatened, ONLY if they ARE being threatened.

nightwolf3 · 01-31-2011, 02:05 PM

I personally prefer to carry concealed, but fully support those responsible citizens who choose to open carry and the rights for them to do so. I feel blessed to live in Kentucky.

Popgunner · 01-31-2011, 10:09 PM

I think the guy here in Utah was wrong because he seemed to be to to normal folks acting in an offensive-not deffensive manner. He wasn't visiting the mall & happened to have a firearm open or concealed. He was pacing back & forth at the door of a store at a mall that had no gun store. Here, we're plenty used to folks carrying long guns to & from pawn shops, gun stores & gun shows but to bring an assault rifle with a pistol & act aggressive where he was, not going about his business but in people's faces appearing every bit like the nut in a mall up the road did a few years ago & then he killed several people. Normal people were startled by his actions.
I was Talking Sunday about this guy to my neighbor who's a Utah state supreme court justice & head of the BYU law school who's family have always been staunch supporters of the constitution & his brother was recently elected as a US Senator & he told me there are now legislators asking him if we need a law that would impose a harsher punishment for this guy's actions. After we've tried so hard here to demonstrate that we can be responsible gun owners & gun carriers that don't need our second ammendment right scrutinized it's hard to see this guy who's in my opinion got feelings of inadiquacy & enjoys startling people to feed his ego trample what we've worked for.

I noticed the cop who had to respond to the situation the guy created decided to not pull his shotgun from the car. He evidently didn't go for the intimidation of superior firepower. Something the guy should have done-left his assault rifle in his car like everyone else. Kind of like taking your pit bull to church. You may think you have the right to show off your awsome powerful dog but it's just the wrong time & place & shows your disrespect for others.

johnlives4christ · 02-01-2011, 07:45 AM

good point, when you put it that way, i agree 100%

redwing carson · 02-01-2011, 08:06 AM

I was amazed that some one with a concealed carry handgun didn't shoot this guy. In the old days in the west men carried open on the range. When they went to town it was always conceled carry. Open carry just to prove a point is stupid at best. The right to carry is a right to be protected not to start a circus. If you are caught in violent crime with open carry. You will be the first one shot. Crimes are not announced they are surprise attacks. The man with a concealed weapon holds a strong position in such attacks. The "purps" don't expect an armed citizen.

RC

Popgunner · 02-01-2011, 09:46 AM

That incident made me think about switching my carry gun from my .380 to my 1911. No, maybe my AR. Just kiddin'.

Hey Carson
where are you in western Wyoming? My company that I recently shut down installed lots of the Sinclair Oil signs in Western Wy. Well, I covered the state over as far as Rawlins. We always hunt antelope in the LaBarge/Fontanelle area.(whenever we can draw out)

01-15-2011, 09:13 AM	#26
Couchracer Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I retired from Law Enforcement in Florida and moved to Kentucky. Im back at in Kentucky and will tell you.... 1. Any Non-Felon CAN legally carry a forearm openly in the sate without a permit. 2. Retired LEOS's may carry concealed anywhere in the USA under LEOSA. 3. LEO's cannot give you a hard time. The law is the law. They cant make their own up as they go. Can some hillbilly cowboy illegally give you a hard time.... sure. Just yes sir him away and continue on with your business. My concern is this; There is a very big active "Columbine" type shooter problem in the US today. Law enforcement cannot effectively respond to the problem because it starts and ends within 2 - 5 minutes, and usually ends up with the shooter popping himself (Yes HIMself, 99% of active shooters are male). The only way to combat this problem lays in the citizens hands... and arming lawful citizens will squash this problem quick. So bottom line, this is one retired Florida and current Kentucky LEO telling you-- OPEN CARRY IF YOU CAN, LEGALLY CONCEAL CARRY IF YOU CAN'T! Last edited by Couchracer; 01-15-2011 at 09:18 AM..

01-15-2011, 10:04 AM	#27
jjmitchell60 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raised in Buzzard Roost near Frog Town in hillls of Kentucky Contributor Posts: 1,471	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I live in KY and do not open carry, I do have my CCW so I carry concealed. Reason I do not open carry is too many who THINK they know the laws do not and most of them run eother a smaller town WalMarts or a fast food place some where. Thus if I carry concealed and being I have my CCW, no hassles. NOW there is one hitch to the open carry in KY. IF you are carrying openly, get cold so put on a coat, AND that coat covers your firearm and holster COMPLETELY; then you are actually carrying concealed and if not a CCW holder, there is a chance you could get in trouble especially if you run across some deputy dog who wants to make a name for himself. It has happened and thankfullly the judge dismissed it in court however the person did have to go throught a lot to get it dismissed. __________________ Oath Keepers NOT ON OUR WATCH www.oathkeepers.org 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes Duty... Thomas Jefferson

01-15-2011, 05:56 PM	#29
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky welcome two the forum and God bless you couchracer! as you might have noticed from my posts, i open carry here in kentucky. i live in hardin county. i have never had a problem. i've even carried in the county clerks office. when i did, i had a police officer come up behind me and we exchanged a hellos and such. he must have known it was legal for me to open carry as he didnt say or do anything. i absolutely support the right to carry a firearm both openly and concealed. the biggest problem we have in kentucky when open carry if you dont also have a ccw license is if you're in a vehicle. i've been told several times that in the glove box is the only place you can carry a handgun in a vehicle. also been told that if it's open in the vehicle, on the seat or dash or something it would be legal, but have been told illegal as well. the law is unclear on the matter from what research i have done. all gun laws are bs if you ask me. criminals dont obey the law... citizens get punished

01-15-2011, 07:38 PM	#30
Rocketman1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,097	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky You know the gun laws realy are screwed up. You must pay a fee and take a class to obtain your CCW, but you can open carry with out any test or fee what so ever. It is also legal here in Ohio to open carry, although I have never seen anyone do it. However if you do not have your CCW, then you will have to unload the gun and your mags when you travel in your car. If you have your CCW, then you can carry in your car, but you can not: knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun, or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person’s hands or fingers while the motor vehicle is being operated. __________________ There is no such thing as a gun accident. Irresponsible gun owners cause so-called gun accidents.

01-28-2011, 10:31 AM	#31
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky hmmmm thats dumb rocketman. so you're saying i cant practice spinning my single action why driving... what a crock. gun laws are just like most other laws. written by stupid people who probably couldnt balance a check book, let alone the budget for a county/city/country

01-28-2011, 11:07 AM	#33
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I was checking into Ky handgun laws. I will be passing thru Ky in Feb. The laws are very good . I did notice one strange code however. The Ky law is very strict on concealed carry. The law states that you can not carry conceled on your private property or inside your home without a conceled carry permit. I thought this to be an invasion of personal freedom. This will not cause a problem for me passing thru the state. Wyoming law has always allowed open carry a concealed carry is needed to carry concealed in public places. We can not carry in bars. We may have a Vermont type of law soon the bill has passed the senate this week. RC

01-28-2011, 02:41 PM	#34
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,054	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I would enjoy open carry. I like a thigh holster rig that staps to your belt and around your leg. Your gun is easy to access while driving too. The state of Florida does not allow open carry, probably because of the high population of retirees. I dont really know why. Most gun laws dont make sense anyhow. Lets just get back to the 2nd ammendment and forget the rest. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

01-30-2011, 07:30 AM	#36
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky Stars I don't know about those things. J4C can you carry a switch blade in Ky with or with out a permit?? My last visit to Ky was in 1966. I was hunting white tail deer near Bowling Green. I think we were hunting near the Barren River not sure maybe wrong on the name. I am sure many things have changed over the years. RC

01-30-2011, 07:53 AM	#38
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky J4C thx for the up date. RC

01-30-2011, 12:37 PM	#39
gun-nut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ohio Contributor Posts: 931	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky this is cool __________________ Don't retreat just reload. Last edited by gun-nut; 01-30-2011 at 12:45 PM..

01-30-2011, 06:11 PM	#41
Popgunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Contributor Posts: 1,764	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky This idiot has been showing up at our local mall with more & more intimidating weapons. Folks don't worry about a sidearm around here too much but If I would have run into this guy with his rifle at the mall I'd have been worried about having to take him out. What logical reason is there to take a "black" rifle to the mall & walk around? He's been doing it the last couple of months. He's working hard to ruin the progress we've made here in Utah for carry. http://www.ksl.com/?sid=14078120&nid=148

01-31-2011, 08:02 AM	#43
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky i dont see how this guy did anything wrong. while it wasnt the best decision to openly carry a rifle into a mall, and it's not needed either, what he did is no different then carrying a hand gun openly. he did have the rifle slung. he should have had sense enough to leave his long gun in the car. most know that it will draw the kind of bad attention he got. but to say he's an idiot or in some way say he shouldnt be allowed to carry a rifle is just as bad as saying those things about him carrying a pistol. what if his only gun was a long gun? should he then be forced to go unarmed because carrying long guns isnt popular but handguns is okay? what if he was 18 and couldnt carry a handgun legally? do you think he should be denied his right to self defense then? i personally dont see where the 2nd amendment limits a persons right to bear arms to handguns only. yall both need to think about it, was it unwise? yes. but was it wrong? no is he an idiot? no. he's exercising his 2nd amendment rights. same as carrying a hand gun.

01-31-2011, 02:05 PM	#46
nightwolf3 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kentucky Posts: 11	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I personally prefer to carry concealed, but fully support those responsible citizens who choose to open carry and the rights for them to do so. I feel blessed to live in Kentucky.

01-31-2011, 10:09 PM	#47
Popgunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Contributor Posts: 1,764	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I think the guy here in Utah was wrong because he seemed to be to to normal folks acting in an offensive-not deffensive manner. He wasn't visiting the mall & happened to have a firearm open or concealed. He was pacing back & forth at the door of a store at a mall that had no gun store. Here, we're plenty used to folks carrying long guns to & from pawn shops, gun stores & gun shows but to bring an assault rifle with a pistol & act aggressive where he was, not going about his business but in people's faces appearing every bit like the nut in a mall up the road did a few years ago & then he killed several people. Normal people were startled by his actions. I was Talking Sunday about this guy to my neighbor who's a Utah state supreme court justice & head of the BYU law school who's family have always been staunch supporters of the constitution & his brother was recently elected as a US Senator & he told me there are now legislators asking him if we need a law that would impose a harsher punishment for this guy's actions. After we've tried so hard here to demonstrate that we can be responsible gun owners & gun carriers that don't need our second ammendment right scrutinized it's hard to see this guy who's in my opinion got feelings of inadiquacy & enjoys startling people to feed his ego trample what we've worked for. I noticed the cop who had to respond to the situation the guy created decided to not pull his shotgun from the car. He evidently didn't go for the intimidation of superior firepower. Something the guy should have done-left his assault rifle in his car like everyone else. Kind of like taking your pit bull to church. You may think you have the right to show off your awsome powerful dog but it's just the wrong time & place & shows your disrespect for others.

02-01-2011, 07:45 AM	#48
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky good point, when you put it that way, i agree 100%

02-01-2011, 08:06 AM	#49
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky I was amazed that some one with a concealed carry handgun didn't shoot this guy. In the old days in the west men carried open on the range. When they went to town it was always conceled carry. Open carry just to prove a point is stupid at best. The right to carry is a right to be protected not to start a circus. If you are caught in violent crime with open carry. You will be the first one shot. Crimes are not announced they are surprise attacks. The man with a concealed weapon holds a strong position in such attacks. The "purps" don't expect an armed citizen. RC

02-01-2011, 09:46 AM	#50
Popgunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Contributor Posts: 1,764	Re: Open Carry in Kentucky That incident made me think about switching my carry gun from my .380 to my 1911. No, maybe my AR. Just kiddin'. Hey Carson where are you in western Wyoming? My company that I recently shut down installed lots of the Sinclair Oil signs in Western Wy. Well, I covered the state over as far as Rawlins. We always hunt antelope in the LaBarge/Fontanelle area.(whenever we can draw out)