South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president - The Firearms Forum

DebS · 09-10-2009, 05:00 PM

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On the House floor where President Obama spoke just a half-day earlier, two words shouted by a Republican congressman reverberated louder than the finer points of the health care debate.

House Democrats seized on House rules Thursday to demand South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson offer a high-profile apology to President Obama for shouting, "You lie," during the president's health care address.

Wilson called the White House shortly after Obama's speech to say he was out of line. The White House said early Thursday that the president accepted the apology.

But that did not put the issue to rest, and House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, also of South Carolina, asked Wilson to apologize on the House floor in front of his colleagues. The final vote of the day was held open by Democrats to give him an opportunity to do so, but he refused.

Democrats threatened to censure Wilson absent such an apology. So far they have not done it -- but even though House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said earlier that a censure was not being considered, her top deputies kept it in the mix.

House leaders debated future disciplinary steps against Wilson at a weekly closed-door strategy session in Pelosi's office Thursday.

"I want Mr. Wilson to come to the floor of the House and apologize," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer. He indicated that House leaders did not reach a conclusion on sanctioning Wilson.

"We need to figure out what to do," said one senior member of the leadership team. Another high-level House source suggested that lawmakers didn't want to let Wilson's transgression go unpunished "because of the magnitude" of the accusation directed at Obama.

In strictly political terms, Wilson's outburst appeared to be a winner for Democrats.

According to one Democratic source, Wilson's Democratic opponent Rob Miller had by mid-day Thursday received 5,000 new contributions worth about $200,000 in the aftermath of the outburst. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was also trying to raise money off the heckling. Miller lost to Wilson in the 2008 election, 54-46 percent

Wilson's House Web site crashed after he was identified Wednesday night as the heckler and he took a beating on his Twitter page for breaching protocol. House rules expressly prohibit lawmakers from calling the president a "liar" or accusing him of "lying."

But Wilson has tried to put the genie back in the bottle after he drew immediate, widespread and bipartisan criticism Wednesday. Shortly after the speech ended, Wilson issued a written apology and spoke with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to say he was sorry.

Obama on Thursday extended his forgiveness.

"I'm a big believer that we all make mistakes. He apologized quickly and without equivocation, and I'm appreciative of that," Obama told reporters.

In the face of persistent criticism, Republicans started to come to Wilson's defense.

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham told FOX News that Wilson should not be judged on those two words.

"He corrected his mistake. His mouth spoke before his mind," said Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., chief deputy whip.

Wilson's outburst immediately followed Obama's statement: "There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

House Minority Leader John Boehner said Thursday that, according to a Congressional Research Service report, illegal immigrants would indeed be covered, defending Wilson's assertion even though he called the manner in which he delivered it "inappropriate."

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs insisted Thursday that illegal immigrants would be prohibited from buying into a health insurance exchange created by the federal government.

Wilson said Thursday he wants to have a "civil discussion" on health care, calling his comments "spontaneous."

Democrats are walking a fine line in deciding whether to pursue a censure. While some Democrats want to punish Wilson, others are worried the action could distract from the health care reform effort.

Obama hinted at that view when asked about Wilson Thursday.

"I do think that, as I said last night, we have to get to the point where we can have a conversation about big, important issues that matter to the American people, without vitriol, without name-calling," he said. "The media can always be helpful by not giving all the attention to the loudest or shrillest voices and try to stay a little bit more focused on the issues at hand."

Joe's site is down due to the server crashing When is it back up, please contact Joe and tell him you understand his frustration completely and he rocks, regardless please.

obxned · 09-10-2009, 06:03 PM

No apology was needed - what he said is true! Provisions in the health care takeover bill that woud have kept illegals from enrolling were removed by the Damocrates.

artabr · 09-10-2009, 06:31 PM

He should go to the floor to apologize only after Reid, who said the same thing about Bush and the Democrats who booed Bush during his National address do so, first.

What a bunch of hypocritical hog wash.

As Obxned said before me, Joe Wilson was only stating fact.

Art

dazed&confused · 09-10-2009, 06:44 PM

Joe Wilson for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

artabr · 09-10-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dazed&confused

Joe Wilson for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to TFF dazed.

Art

ponycar17 · 09-10-2009, 07:41 PM

I'm proud of Joe. Personally, I think he should be given a commendation for exhibiting more honest feelings than any of the planted idiots at the Obama town halls.

This was all over the local news today. In fact, one coworker who is generally 'Republican-leaning' called him an idiot. I said, "how was he an idiot when he told the truth?" and then I told why. The 'president' has been spouting that there are 45 million uninsured 'Americans' yet 9.6 million illegals make up that number. How the hell do you claim that illegals won't be covered when 9.6 million of them are included in the figure regularly spouted by 'the president'?...

bcj1755 · 09-10-2009, 08:00 PM

The "fair and impartial" media is already spouting "Joe lied!"

The MSM just can't give up their blatant lying for The Hussein. They will keep on liying for him and proping him up while he continues to run this country down the toilet

bamajoey · 09-10-2009, 09:04 PM

Joe was disrespectful, He should have said,"Mr President, You are a Liar."

Lori Mick · 09-11-2009, 06:24 AM

And thus is born a new bumper sticker!

Terry_P · 09-11-2009, 06:37 AM

I would like one in a t-shirt.

22WRF · 09-11-2009, 12:58 PM

Joe only represents the people of SC, Thats why he is is a Representative.
He owes Polsichit and the rest of the House nothing.

glocknut · 09-11-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dazed&confused

Joe Wilson for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ditto!!!!...and welcome to the forum!!!!!

mike
gn

glocknut · 09-11-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bamajoey

Joe was disrespectful, He should have said,"Mr President, You are a Liar."

Welcome to the forum!!!!!!!!!!

mike
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Bobitis · 09-11-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bamajoey

Joe was disrespectful, He should have said,"Mr President, You are a Liar."

hahahaaa....

Indeed Joey!

Welcome to the house/mad/sani......

ponycar17 · 09-11-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 22WRF

Joe only represents the people of SC, Thats why he is is a Representative.
He owes Polsichit and the rest of the House nothing.

AMEN! That is a hot local topic now and I'll tell you honestly, people are right on the lines that you're thinking. Joe doesn't work for 'Peloschit' and shouldn't report to her for anything. In fact, he has raised over $200,000 in campaign contributions since his remark was made. Give 'em Hell Joe!

Rocket J Squirl · 09-11-2009, 11:34 PM

Funy how Harry Reid and the DEMs said it for years about Bush, and no one said a thing. They still refuse to say sorry

artabr · 09-12-2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lori Mick

And thus is born a new bumper sticker!

I want one.

Art

obxned · 09-12-2009, 09:01 AM

It may have been bad manners to yell at Barry during his infomercial, but at least Joe Wilson speaks the truth.

Trouble 45-70 · 09-12-2009, 03:42 PM

Welcome to TFF to the new guys. I like the way you think. I want the bumper sticker. I had been hollering at the TV for about 10 min "You are lying" when I heard this lone voice crying in the Wilderness of Sin, aka the US Congress, "You Lie". Go getem Joe. Drudge reports that Joes' campaign has picked up $750,000 in 48 hrs. Edit: Sun. morning, the Politico reported Joe is up to $1 million in 48 hours. The average is about $50. Soros does not appear to be one of the contributors.

DebS · 09-12-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

...Drudge reports that Joes' campaign has picked up $750,000 in 48 hrs.

That is FANTASTIC!! OMG, you made soda shoot outta my nose. That is UNREAL.

Danwin22 · 09-12-2009, 09:57 PM

So what does Joe say?

I apologize and I'm sorry I said you were lying when you were lying?

If Obama's mouth is open he's lying.

I sleep well at night knowing it was not my vote that put that poser in the White House.

ponycar17 · 09-12-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DebS

That is FANTASTIC!! OMG, you made soda shoot outta my nose. That is UNREAL.

While that's great, I don't think it's true. Local news cited sources that purport that Joe picked up $200K in the same time period. Local 'conservative talk radio' reported the same.

artabr · 09-13-2009, 02:18 AM

Great slow motion video of Stretch getting a workout after finding out who had the nerve to chastise "the one".

Note: You may want to hide the children. It's not a pretty sight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0kdbdJ94ak

Art

millwright · 09-13-2009, 03:52 PM

Rep Wilson apologized to President Obama and he accepted. End of story......

While outbursts during a Presidential Address are uncommon, those 'pushing the story' need to recall former President W. Bush's address in similar circumstances was punctuated with boos from the Democratic side.......Is one more uncivil than the other ? >MW

Bobitis · 09-13-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by millwright

Rep Wilson apologized to President Obama and he accepted. End of story......

While outbursts during a Presidential Address are uncommon, those 'pushing the story' need to recall former President W. Bush's address in similar circumstances was punctuated with boos from the Democratic side.......Is one more uncivil than the other ? >MW

Why yes. Yes it is.
It depends on who is speaking out.

Conservatives say you can. Liberals, not so much.

Depending on the platform mind you.

Bush Lied - People Died, is quite acceptible.
Calling out Obomba on free health care for illegals, is NOT acceptible.

Some folks think you have the right to speak your mind. They would uphold the US Constitution.

Others say you should shut your trap and believe what you're told. They would prefer to ignore the US Constitution.

Make sense?

09-10-2009, 05:00 PM	#1
DebS V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 91	South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Source On the House floor where President Obama spoke just a half-day earlier, two words shouted by a Republican congressman reverberated louder than the finer points of the health care debate. House Democrats seized on House rules Thursday to demand South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson offer a high-profile apology to President Obama for shouting, "You lie," during the president's health care address. Wilson called the White House shortly after Obama's speech to say he was out of line. The White House said early Thursday that the president accepted the apology. But that did not put the issue to rest, and House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, also of South Carolina, asked Wilson to apologize on the House floor in front of his colleagues. The final vote of the day was held open by Democrats to give him an opportunity to do so, but he refused. Democrats threatened to censure Wilson absent such an apology. So far they have not done it -- but even though House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said earlier that a censure was not being considered, her top deputies kept it in the mix. House leaders debated future disciplinary steps against Wilson at a weekly closed-door strategy session in Pelosi's office Thursday. "I want Mr. Wilson to come to the floor of the House and apologize," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer. He indicated that House leaders did not reach a conclusion on sanctioning Wilson. "We need to figure out what to do," said one senior member of the leadership team. Another high-level House source suggested that lawmakers didn't want to let Wilson's transgression go unpunished "because of the magnitude" of the accusation directed at Obama. In strictly political terms, Wilson's outburst appeared to be a winner for Democrats. According to one Democratic source, Wilson's Democratic opponent Rob Miller had by mid-day Thursday received 5,000 new contributions worth about $200,000 in the aftermath of the outburst. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was also trying to raise money off the heckling. Miller lost to Wilson in the 2008 election, 54-46 percent Wilson's House Web site crashed after he was identified Wednesday night as the heckler and he took a beating on his Twitter page for breaching protocol. House rules expressly prohibit lawmakers from calling the president a "liar" or accusing him of "lying." But Wilson has tried to put the genie back in the bottle after he drew immediate, widespread and bipartisan criticism Wednesday. Shortly after the speech ended, Wilson issued a written apology and spoke with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to say he was sorry. Obama on Thursday extended his forgiveness. "I'm a big believer that we all make mistakes. He apologized quickly and without equivocation, and I'm appreciative of that," Obama told reporters. In the face of persistent criticism, Republicans started to come to Wilson's defense. South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham told FOX News that Wilson should not be judged on those two words. "He corrected his mistake. His mouth spoke before his mind," said Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., chief deputy whip. Wilson's outburst immediately followed Obama's statement: "There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." House Minority Leader John Boehner said Thursday that, according to a Congressional Research Service report, illegal immigrants would indeed be covered, defending Wilson's assertion even though he called the manner in which he delivered it "inappropriate." White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs insisted Thursday that illegal immigrants would be prohibited from buying into a health insurance exchange created by the federal government. Wilson said Thursday he wants to have a "civil discussion" on health care, calling his comments "spontaneous." Democrats are walking a fine line in deciding whether to pursue a censure. While some Democrats want to punish Wilson, others are worried the action could distract from the health care reform effort. Obama hinted at that view when asked about Wilson Thursday. "I do think that, as I said last night, we have to get to the point where we can have a conversation about big, important issues that matter to the American people, without vitriol, without name-calling," he said. "The media can always be helpful by not giving all the attention to the loudest or shrillest voices and try to stay a little bit more focused on the issues at hand." Joe's site is down due to the server crashing When is it back up, please contact Joe and tell him you understand his frustration completely and he rocks, regardless please. __________________ Lifetime NRA Member “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction..” Ronald Reagan -->

09-10-2009, 06:03 PM	#2
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president No apology was needed - what he said is true! Provisions in the health care takeover bill that woud have kept illegals from enrolling were removed by the Damocrates. __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

09-10-2009, 06:31 PM	#3
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president He should go to the floor to apologize only after Reid, who said the same thing about Bush and the Democrats who booed Bush during his National address do so, first. What a bunch of hypocritical hog wash. As Obxned said before me, Joe Wilson was only stating fact. Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!! Last edited by artabr; 09-10-2009 at 06:32 PM..

09-10-2009, 06:44 PM	#4
dazed&confused Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Joe Wilson for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-10-2009, 07:41 PM	#6
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president I'm proud of Joe. Personally, I think he should be given a commendation for exhibiting more honest feelings than any of the planted idiots at the Obama town halls. This was all over the local news today. In fact, one coworker who is generally 'Republican-leaning' called him an idiot. I said, "how was he an idiot when he told the truth?" and then I told why. The 'president' has been spouting that there are 45 million uninsured 'Americans' yet 9.6 million illegals make up that number. How the hell do you claim that illegals won't be covered when 9.6 million of them are included in the figure regularly spouted by 'the president'?... __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book Last edited by ponycar17; 09-10-2009 at 07:51 PM..

09-10-2009, 08:00 PM	#7
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president The "fair and impartial" media is already spouting "Joe lied!" The MSM just can't give up their blatant lying for The Hussein. They will keep on liying for him and proping him up while he continues to run this country down the toilet __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

09-10-2009, 09:04 PM	#8
bamajoey Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola Contributor Posts: 1,260	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Joe was disrespectful, He should have said,"Mr President, You are a Liar."

09-11-2009, 06:24 AM	#9
Lori Mick Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Stuck in Upstate NY for a while Posts: 2,374	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president And thus is born a new bumper sticker! Attached Images __________________ It's a Brand New Day! Make it an awesome one! "No one outside myself can rule me inwardly. Knowing this I become wholly free."

09-11-2009, 06:37 AM	#10
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president I would like one in a t-shirt. __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

09-11-2009, 12:58 PM	#11
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Joe only represents the people of SC, Thats why he is is a Representative. He owes Polsichit and the rest of the House nothing. __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

09-11-2009, 11:34 PM	#16
Rocket J Squirl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 418	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Funy how Harry Reid and the DEMs said it for years about Bush, and no one said a thing. They still refuse to say sorry

09-12-2009, 09:01 AM	#18
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president It may have been bad manners to yell at Barry during his infomercial, but at least Joe Wilson speaks the truth. __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

09-12-2009, 03:42 PM	#19
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Welcome to TFF to the new guys. I like the way you think. I want the bumper sticker. I had been hollering at the TV for about 10 min "You are lying" when I heard this lone voice crying in the Wilderness of Sin, aka the US Congress, "You Lie". Go getem Joe. Drudge reports that Joes' campaign has picked up $750,000 in 48 hrs. Edit: Sun. morning, the Politico reported Joe is up to $1 million in 48 hours. The average is about $50. Soros does not appear to be one of the contributors. Last edited by Trouble 45-70; 09-13-2009 at 10:01 AM.. Reason: UPDATE

09-12-2009, 09:57 PM	#21
Danwin22 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 223	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president So what does Joe say? I apologize and I'm sorry I said you were lying when you were lying? If Obama's mouth is open he's lying. I sleep well at night knowing it was not my vote that put that poser in the White House.

09-13-2009, 02:18 AM	#23
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Great slow motion video of Stretch getting a workout after finding out who had the nerve to chastise "the one". Note: You may want to hide the children. It's not a pretty sight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0kdbdJ94ak Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!!

09-13-2009, 03:52 PM	#24
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,440	Re: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson yells 'You lie!' to the president Rep Wilson apologized to President Obama and he accepted. End of story...... While outbursts during a Presidential Address are uncommon, those 'pushing the story' need to recall former President W. Bush's address in similar circumstances was punctuated with boos from the Democratic side.......Is one more uncivil than the other ? >MW