What's that article?! European crime rate - The Firearms Forum

Prizefighter · 09-24-2009, 03:50 PM

I seem to remember an article at one time talking about a european country where many homes had assault rifles (because of military service) and the violent crime rate was rather low. Sweden, perhaps?

I'm currently in a "discussion" with some folks about gun rights and crime, and they just pulled the "US has a higher crime rate than other countries, we must be doing it wrong" card.

Does someone happen to know the article I'm talking about?

Nighthawk · 09-24-2009, 04:06 PM

Swiss

ponycar17 · 09-24-2009, 04:08 PM

View the links in my signature. If you want a condensed version, read the justfacts.com link. If you want to look up specific issues and hard statistics, read the Gunfacts 5.0 downloadable book.

Islandboy · 09-24-2009, 04:19 PM

Het Pony, I did check them out, they're great.
Good references for all.

armedandsafe · 09-24-2009, 06:47 PM

This is an interesting site. They report the numbers, but id you read their writings, they snip and choose to make the US come out the worst in the world.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Pops

dbrodin · 09-26-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armedandsafe

This is an interesting site. They report the numbers, but id you read their writings, they snip and choose to make the US come out the worst in the world.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Pops

They really are playing with the numbers. According to them, only 5.5% of murders in the US are NOT gun related. The game is that they differentiate between murder and manslaughter, and DO NOT list the US manslaughter statistics.

ponycar17 · 09-26-2009, 09:42 AM

Glenn Beck has a new book out called "Arguing with Idiots" that covers this issue as well as others. Just FYI...

Bobitis · 09-26-2009, 05:53 PM

I hate beating a dead horse but.....

'assault' is NOT an adjective!

This infuriates me to no end!

Do we have assault cars?
Assault hammers?
Assault buckets?
Assault swimming pools?
Assault weather?
Assault shoes?
Assault cookware?
Assault water?
Assault pictures?
Assault windows?
Assault tires?
Assault what ever you want to throw in there.....?

Yet we have assault rifles?

PLEASE! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S SACRED, STOP USING THE TERM!

DAYUM!

armedandsafe · 09-26-2009, 07:48 PM

"Assault Rifle" is a specific term used by the military to indicate a specific type of weapon.

"Assault Weapon" is a specific term used by politicians and reporters to frighten ignorant people.

Granted "assault" is not an adjective. Niether is "railroad" an adjective. However, I will not use a "railroad crossing" without looking both ways.

Pops

Bobitis · 09-27-2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armedandsafe

"Assault Rifle" is a specific term used by the military to indicate a specific type of weapon.

"Assault Weapon" is a specific term used by politicians and reporters to frighten ignorant people.

Granted "assault" is not an adjective. Niether is "railroad" an adjective. However, I will not use a "railroad crossing" without looking both ways.

Pops

Thanks Pops.
In either case the word is used incorrectly.
Crossing of the railroad or weapon of assault would be proper.
Used correctly, virtualy anything could be construed as a weapon of assault.
It just irks me that those of us that deplore the usage of the term continue to use it. But then, I've never been known to be politically correct.

My apologies.

armedandsafe · 09-27-2009, 08:04 PM

Never apologise for having an opinion. Nor, for voicing an opinion. If you hold to or form an opinion without fact to back it up, or continue to hold an opinion which has been proven false or harmful, THEN you should apologise.

I deplore the use of "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" interchangeably. Assault Rifle is a proper term for a particular item. Assault weapoon is an incorrect term and incorrect usage of the language. On that we agree.

Common usage often gets terms into use and thus into the dictionary and acceptance, when strict adherance to rules would forbid such terms. When I was a lad of about 8 years, and Dad owned, printed, edited and wrote much of the newspaper, he and I got into a discussion about the usage of a comma after the word "and." I won and changed his usage in the paper slightly by bringing out the argument that puncutation has two purposes. Punctuation is used to make a sentence or phrase more easily understood. Punctuation is also used to demonstrate to the reader how the sentence or phrase would be spoken. Any other use is uneccessary and can be confusing.

Pops

GMFWoodchuck · 09-28-2009, 12:16 PM

Some of this filth that is being spewd out makes me want to use an assault tire on someone.

09-24-2009, 03:50 PM	#1
Prizefighter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Contributor Posts: 412	What's that article?! European crime rate I seem to remember an article at one time talking about a european country where many homes had assault rifles (because of military service) and the violent crime rate was rather low. Sweden, perhaps? I'm currently in a "discussion" with some folks about gun rights and crime, and they just pulled the "US has a higher crime rate than other countries, we must be doing it wrong" card. Does someone happen to know the article I'm talking about? --> Last edited by Prizefighter; 09-24-2009 at 07:08 PM..

09-24-2009, 04:06 PM	#2
Nighthawk Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Central Texas Posts: 3,330	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate Swiss __________________ Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives." --John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808 NRA Life TSRA Life GOA Member

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ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate View the links in my signature. If you want a condensed version, read the justfacts.com link. If you want to look up specific issues and hard statistics, read the Gunfacts 5.0 downloadable book. __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book Last edited by ponycar17; 09-24-2009 at 04:10 PM..

09-24-2009, 04:19 PM	#4
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate Het Pony, I did check them out, they're great. Good references for all. __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

09-24-2009, 06:47 PM	#5
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate This is an interesting site. They report the numbers, but id you read their writings, they snip and choose to make the US come out the worst in the world. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita Pops

09-26-2009, 09:42 AM	#7
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate Glenn Beck has a new book out called "Arguing with Idiots" that covers this issue as well as others. Just FYI... __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book

09-26-2009, 05:53 PM	#8
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate I hate beating a dead horse but..... 'assault' is NOT an adjective! This infuriates me to no end! Do we have assault cars? Assault hammers? Assault buckets? Assault swimming pools? Assault weather? Assault shoes? Assault cookware? Assault water? Assault pictures? Assault windows? Assault tires? Assault what ever you want to throw in there.....? Yet we have assault rifles? PLEASE! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S SACRED, STOP USING THE TERM! DAYUM! __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

09-26-2009, 07:48 PM	#9
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate "Assault Rifle" is a specific term used by the military to indicate a specific type of weapon. "Assault Weapon" is a specific term used by politicians and reporters to frighten ignorant people. Granted "assault" is not an adjective. Niether is "railroad" an adjective. However, I will not use a "railroad crossing" without looking both ways. Pops

09-27-2009, 08:04 PM	#11
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate Never apologise for having an opinion. Nor, for voicing an opinion. If you hold to or form an opinion without fact to back it up, or continue to hold an opinion which has been proven false or harmful, THEN you should apologise. I deplore the use of "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" interchangeably. Assault Rifle is a proper term for a particular item. Assault weapoon is an incorrect term and incorrect usage of the language. On that we agree. Common usage often gets terms into use and thus into the dictionary and acceptance, when strict adherance to rules would forbid such terms. When I was a lad of about 8 years, and Dad owned, printed, edited and wrote much of the newspaper, he and I got into a discussion about the usage of a comma after the word "and." I won and changed his usage in the paper slightly by bringing out the argument that puncutation has two purposes. Punctuation is used to make a sentence or phrase more easily understood. Punctuation is also used to demonstrate to the reader how the sentence or phrase would be spoken. Any other use is uneccessary and can be confusing. Pops

09-28-2009, 12:16 PM	#12
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: What's that article?! European crime rate Some of this filth that is being spewd out makes me want to use an assault tire on someone.