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da357mag · 10-26-2009, 04:43 PM

Im getting a cz 452 lux next week and I am going to scope it. I have experence with bushnell, I have a 3-9x40 on an air rifle and am quite pleased with it. Now where I am getting this rifle the clerk told me he had a centerpoint scope, it is a 4-16x40AO he got at wallyworld for about $70
bucks, he's got it on a rifle( he didn't say what brand) in .300 rem mag,
so I guess I wouldn't have to worry abuut recoil! Anyway I have never heard of centerpoint, and was wondering if you all have, I will be happy to hear what you all have.

raydcarter · 10-26-2009, 05:37 PM

I have one of those I've used on my RWS/Hammerli 850 - CO2/HPA. It's a decent mil-dot scope. Recoil on a .22 is very mild compared to an air rifle - I would think it would be OK. Frankly, I'd hesitate to put one on much stronger than that. You might also look at a BSA 3-12x airgun scope - I've used one on my RWS 52 (magnum springer) for a year and a half - rock solid.

da357mag · 10-27-2009, 09:00 AM

Thanks I have a a gammo and I thought about trying one on it as the packeging says
it will take a recoil up to a .416 Rigby, but them agin im aware of the different recoil
of a springer air rifle! The bushnell I have on it now will work and I think I will try the center point on the .22. Thanks
DA

whichfinger · 10-27-2009, 09:27 PM

Center Point is made by Crosman. I've read comments on various forums ranging from they are a terrific value to what a POS. Not much help I guess. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. Goggle "Center Point scopes" and see what pops up.

raydcarter · 10-27-2009, 10:59 PM

Actually, you'd probably have better luck with "centerpoint scopes". And I don't think that Crosman makes them. I believe they are made in China and sold by a Crosman subsidiary.

GunHugger · 10-28-2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raydcarter

Actually, you'd probably have better luck with "centerpoint scopes". And I don't think that Crosman makes them. I believe they are made in China and sold by a Crosman subsidiary.

True

whichfinger · 10-29-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Center Point is marketed by Crosman.

Buncha nitpickers.

zkovach · 10-29-2009, 06:59 PM

if the scope is 70 dollars that is exactley what you are getting. I have seen them at meijer and wal marts on the shelves but i have to say i would never use one.

raydcarter · 10-29-2009, 07:25 PM

Maybe you should rethink that decision. It ain't a bad scope. I used one for airgun Field Target this year - that's a rather demanding sport - and it worked fine. You don't need to spend $1000 to get a decent scope.

Win73 · 10-30-2009, 09:02 PM

Let me tell you about my bargain scope. I was in my favorite gun shop one day. He had a bunch of 4 power fixed scopes on sale. The brand was Rocky Mountain Optics. He had them marked for $15. I figured that if you could see through it at all it was worth $15. I bought one figuring I would stick it on one of my .22 rifles. However I had gotten my .50 caliber muzzleloader and it was about time for deer season. I stuck it on the .50 cal and tried it out. It seemed to do all right when I zeroed it. I then killed a nice buck on opening day of muzzleloader season. I know I should get a better scope but that one is still doing just fine and it is about time for deer season to open again. So maybe next year.

G-Mann · 11-01-2009, 08:33 AM

Bought a Marlin 881 with a Tasco scope back in 1994. Could not hold a group. Went through a list of finding the problem. At first I thought that I just needed more practice. I ended up taking a chance and bought a Nikon Prostaff 4x32 fixed. Problem solved!

kansas45 · 11-01-2009, 11:31 AM

The Center Point 4-16x40 is not a POS. I have three of them. Two are on .22 rifles & used regulary. The third has been mounted on a AR15, .223 & .308 Tikka's & several .22 rifles. It is about to find a home on my Remmy 522 Speedmaster.

da357mag · 11-03-2009, 02:14 AM

Thanks for the imput, everybody I think the rifle is going to have tha wally world
scope after all! Im glad to hear good things (or bad) about new products. Saves money
in the long run! DAM

Suwannee Tim · 11-03-2009, 04:01 AM

Buy it from a place that will let you return it. Take a good hard look through it before you mount it and decide.....

Zane71464 · 11-03-2009, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by da357mag

Im getting a cz 452 lux next week and I am going to scope it. I have experence with bushnell, I have a 3-9x40 on an air rifle and am quite pleased with it. Now where I am getting this rifle the clerk told me he had a centerpoint scope, it is a 4-16x40AO he got at wallyworld for about $70
bucks, he's got it on a rifle( he didn't say what brand) in .300 rem mag,
so I guess I wouldn't have to worry abuut recoil! Anyway I have never heard of centerpoint, and was wondering if you all have, I will be happy to hear what you all have.

I bought a Center Point 3x9x32 AR22 Series; red/green illuminated Mil-Dot Recticle for my Ruger 77/22 and bought it at wally world for $54 and never used one before. And it came with the rings and the flip-open covers.
IMO I'd like to put one on every 22 rifle I own...totally impressed! Mine says as well it is tested up to a .416 Rigby...however havent gone that far "yet" consider the field of view. For a 22 cal. I would highly recomend it.

Big Shrek · 11-10-2009, 06:21 AM

The instruction on how to do this is explained in a fair amount of detail in the User manual for 4-16X scope.

It is describing how to reset your knob to the zero mark, for your favorite shooting range. Re-read the manuals instructions again if you haven't already. If you don't understand, come back asking a specific question about what in the manual seems confusing to you and I'm sure someone will help.

The zero locking is a method of preventing the scopes adjustments from accidentally being turned in the field. From picture in manual, the zero locking ring is the inner ring closest to main scope tube. Obviously you must loosen this zero lock to be able to make adjustments (so the adjustment w/e outer knobs turn), but according to instruction, it must be in lock position INITIALLY to reset the turrets to zero.

So to reset knobs to zero mark, following the owner manuals instructions....
1. Turn the inner locking ring clockwise until locked (warnings about not overtightening)
2. Loosen hex screw in center of knob by rotation clockwise
3. Now adjustment knobs can freely rotate, move knobs so your main mark is at zero.
4. Unloosen the inner lock ring (turn counter clockwise), that we previously tightened in step (1)
5. Now carefully tighten down hex nut making sure adjustment knob does not move.
6. Done. You can relock inner locking ring if you wish.

If people would pay attention to the manual and learn from it, they wouldn't break the scopes.

Unfortunately, most morons will screw up and twist the knobs without unlocking them first, causing the internals to break. That's the source of 95% of problems with CP scopes. That's also why you never buy one from an opened package.

The other part is the rings. Chuck 'em and get Weaver/Leupold/Good Quality Rings. High or See-thru sets like the Weaver 49515 work wonderfully

My 4-16x40 has been performing perfectly on top of a Marlin 25MN (.22WMR) for over two years now.

ToolsForPros · 11-10-2009, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Shrek

Unfortunately, most morons will screw up and twist the knobs without unlocking them first, causing the internals to break. That's the source of 95% of problems with CP scopes. That's also why you never buy one from an opened package.

Seen this happen way too many times, even with expensive scopes. It's sad when people that have the money for a $2K scope, they dont have the competency to learn how to use it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Shrek

The other part is the rings. Chuck 'em and get Weaver/Leupold/Good Quality Rings. High or See-thru sets like the Weaver 49515 work wonderfully

+1
The weakest link in a shooting system is the mount. The same people with the expensive scopes have $10 rings.

Claude Clay · 11-10-2009, 09:06 AM

my Brno-2500, 452 has a Nikon omega 2x7x40.
$165 from cabalas 2 years ago. it was a $229 list on special. size is smallish, glass is clear and color & contrast are about perfect.
if you need more power than 9 at 100 yards, use a spotting scope.

da357mag · 11-11-2009, 01:34 AM

Im back, was out of town for awile, I finally got my rifle last sat and today I got into
it and changed the sear, put in an automation unit and spring. I will tell you that was
a new experence! I had a good ol'e time getting that little ball and spring to coperate!
It took a while and alot of cussing but I got it in! Well it works great, I had about3/32
of an inch creep before and it all adjusted out! The pull is still heavier than I like, I don't
have a pull guage(yet) but im thinking it's about 4lbs. I would like to get it down to about
1.5 or so. The sear was a bit pricy $66.00 at brownells but if you want to get all the creep out it's the way to go! tommarrow the scope, and yes I did get the centerpoint!
LOL, after all I read here, it was more good than bad so ill give it a try. I've looked thru it
at 16x and it is still nice and clear, so we'll see what tomarrow brings, thanks for all the
imput, Ill let you know how and if it fits.

10-26-2009, 04:43 PM	#1
da357mag V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 234	bargin scope? Im getting a cz 452 lux next week and I am going to scope it. I have experence with bushnell, I have a 3-9x40 on an air rifle and am quite pleased with it. Now where I am getting this rifle the clerk told me he had a centerpoint scope, it is a 4-16x40AO he got at wallyworld for about $70 bucks, he's got it on a rifle( he didn't say what brand) in .300 rem mag, so I guess I wouldn't have to worry abuut recoil! Anyway I have never heard of centerpoint, and was wondering if you all have, I will be happy to hear what you all have. -->

10-26-2009, 05:37 PM	#2
raydcarter V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 160	Re: bargin scope? I have one of those I've used on my RWS/Hammerli 850 - CO2/HPA. It's a decent mil-dot scope. Recoil on a .22 is very mild compared to an air rifle - I would think it would be OK. Frankly, I'd hesitate to put one on much stronger than that. You might also look at a BSA 3-12x airgun scope - I've used one on my RWS 52 (magnum springer) for a year and a half - rock solid.

10-27-2009, 09:00 AM	#3
da357mag V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 234	Re: bargin scope? Thanks I have a a gammo and I thought about trying one on it as the packeging says it will take a recoil up to a .416 Rigby, but them agin im aware of the different recoil of a springer air rifle! The bushnell I have on it now will work and I think I will try the center point on the .22. Thanks DA

10-27-2009, 09:27 PM	#4
whichfinger Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 40	Re: bargin scope? Center Point is made by Crosman. I've read comments on various forums ranging from they are a terrific value to what a POS. Not much help I guess. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. Goggle "Center Point scopes" and see what pops up. __________________ Alzheimer's advantage: New friends every day.

10-27-2009, 10:59 PM	#5
raydcarter V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 160	Re: bargin scope? Actually, you'd probably have better luck with "centerpoint scopes". And I don't think that Crosman makes them. I believe they are made in China and sold by a Crosman subsidiary.

10-29-2009, 06:59 PM	#8
zkovach Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,005	Re: bargin scope? if the scope is 70 dollars that is exactley what you are getting. I have seen them at meijer and wal marts on the shelves but i have to say i would never use one.

10-29-2009, 07:25 PM	#9
raydcarter V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 160	Re: bargin scope? Maybe you should rethink that decision. It ain't a bad scope. I used one for airgun Field Target this year - that's a rather demanding sport - and it worked fine. You don't need to spend $1000 to get a decent scope.

10-30-2009, 09:02 PM	#10
Win73 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 129	Re: bargin scope? Let me tell you about my bargain scope. I was in my favorite gun shop one day. He had a bunch of 4 power fixed scopes on sale. The brand was Rocky Mountain Optics. He had them marked for $15. I figured that if you could see through it at all it was worth $15. I bought one figuring I would stick it on one of my .22 rifles. However I had gotten my .50 caliber muzzleloader and it was about time for deer season. I stuck it on the .50 cal and tried it out. It seemed to do all right when I zeroed it. I then killed a nice buck on opening day of muzzleloader season. I know I should get a better scope but that one is still doing just fine and it is about time for deer season to open again. So maybe next year. __________________ (Luke 11:21 KJV) When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: (Luke 22:36 KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

11-01-2009, 08:33 AM	#11
G-Mann Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 33	Re: bargin scope? Bought a Marlin 881 with a Tasco scope back in 1994. Could not hold a group. Went through a list of finding the problem. At first I thought that I just needed more practice. I ended up taking a chance and bought a Nikon Prostaff 4x32 fixed. Problem solved!

11-01-2009, 11:31 AM	#12
kansas45 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Between Two Rivers Posts: 36	Re: bargin scope? The Center Point 4-16x40 is not a POS. I have three of them. Two are on .22 rifles & used regulary. The third has been mounted on a AR15, .223 & .308 Tikka's & several .22 rifles. It is about to find a home on my Remmy 522 Speedmaster. __________________ If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Will Rogers

11-03-2009, 02:14 AM	#13
da357mag V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 234	Re: bargin scope? Thanks for the imput, everybody I think the rifle is going to have tha wally world scope after all! Im glad to hear good things (or bad) about new products. Saves money in the long run! DAM

11-03-2009, 04:01 AM	#14
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: bargin scope? Buy it from a place that will let you return it. Take a good hard look through it before you mount it and decide.....

11-10-2009, 06:21 AM	#16
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 923	Re: bargin scope? The instruction on how to do this is explained in a fair amount of detail in the User manual for 4-16X scope. It is describing how to reset your knob to the zero mark, for your favorite shooting range. Re-read the manuals instructions again if you haven't already. If you don't understand, come back asking a specific question about what in the manual seems confusing to you and I'm sure someone will help. The zero locking is a method of preventing the scopes adjustments from accidentally being turned in the field. From picture in manual, the zero locking ring is the inner ring closest to main scope tube. Obviously you must loosen this zero lock to be able to make adjustments (so the adjustment w/e outer knobs turn), but according to instruction, it must be in lock position INITIALLY to reset the turrets to zero. So to reset knobs to zero mark, following the owner manuals instructions.... 1. Turn the inner locking ring clockwise until locked (warnings about not overtightening) 2. Loosen hex screw in center of knob by rotation clockwise 3. Now adjustment knobs can freely rotate, move knobs so your main mark is at zero. 4. Unloosen the inner lock ring (turn counter clockwise), that we previously tightened in step (1) 5. Now carefully tighten down hex nut making sure adjustment knob does not move. 6. Done. You can relock inner locking ring if you wish. If people would pay attention to the manual and learn from it, they wouldn't break the scopes. Unfortunately, most morons will screw up and twist the knobs without unlocking them first, causing the internals to break. That's the source of 95% of problems with CP scopes. That's also why you never buy one from an opened package. The other part is the rings. Chuck 'em and get Weaver/Leupold/Good Quality Rings. High or See-thru sets like the Weaver 49515 work wonderfully My 4-16x40 has been performing perfectly on top of a Marlin 25MN (.22WMR) for over two years now. __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool. Last edited by Big Shrek; 11-10-2009 at 06:23 AM..

11-10-2009, 09:06 AM	#18
Claude Clay V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central CT Posts: 451	Re: bargin scope? my Brno-2500, 452 has a Nikon omega 2x7x40. $165 from cabalas 2 years ago. it was a $229 list on special. size is smallish, glass is clear and color & contrast are about perfect. if you need more power than 9 at 100 yards, use a spotting scope. __________________ teachers may learn you the rules; experience will teach you the exceptions. NRA Instructor

11-11-2009, 01:34 AM	#19
da357mag V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 234	Re: bargin scope? Im back, was out of town for awile, I finally got my rifle last sat and today I got into it and changed the sear, put in an automation unit and spring. I will tell you that was a new experence! I had a good ol'e time getting that little ball and spring to coperate! It took a while and alot of cussing but I got it in! Well it works great, I had about3/32 of an inch creep before and it all adjusted out! The pull is still heavier than I like, I don't have a pull guage(yet) but im thinking it's about 4lbs. I would like to get it down to about 1.5 or so. The sear was a bit pricy $66.00 at brownells but if you want to get all the creep out it's the way to go! tommarrow the scope, and yes I did get the centerpoint! LOL, after all I read here, it was more good than bad so ill give it a try. I've looked thru it at 16x and it is still nice and clear, so we'll see what tomarrow brings, thanks for all the imput, Ill let you know how and if it fits.