Ft. Hood: Official story full of holes

[Henz]

Ft. Hood: Official story full of holes

November 10, 12:44 PM Madison Independent Examiner Gregory Patin

http://www.examiner.com/x-23316-Madi...-full-of-holes

Any topic that can be construed as a conspiracy theory is a writers' worst nightmare. That label has negative connotations and writing about anything that can be put in that category usually creates more problems than it is worth. It generates hate mail from both sides of the political spectrum and that is a headache that most writers would rather not deal with.

One of the ironies in dealing with the plethora of information that is available through print, television and electronic media is that it often does not add up and at times is contradictory. The more information there is, the more inconsistencies that can be found. That does not make any topic a conspiracy theory, it just makes it what it is...questionable. A good example is what allegedly happened at Ft. Hood last week.

For the record, any theories regarding what happened at Ft. Hood are up to readers to make. This commentary will not try to tell you what happened, but the information at hand does suggest what did not happen. Yet again it is the "official" story that should be questioned. You can come to your own conclusions. I must, however, start with a few conversations I have had with ex-military personnel since the incident.

After the horrible massacre at Ft. Hood, I spoke with a few people who served in the military. A retired army Capt. who served 7 years in the 173rd Airborne including time as a S-3 in a RSTA squadron said this: "There is no way a psychiatrist - basically an intellectual desk jockey - shot off hundreds of rounds with two pistols and hit about 40 people without being subdued by someone. Come on! He wasn't a trained assassin or a special ops commando shooting up a mall. He would have had to reload and that means putting one of the pistols down and reloading the other with seasoned combat vets in that deployment center. It only takes seconds to reload, but it only takes a second to subdue him."

A retired MP, Michael Martinez also said: [b]"No way! That would be impossible. Even if he had two semi-auto pistols[b] [according to early reports he used a 9mm and a .357 revolver to gun down over 40 people] he would still have had to stop to reload and someone would have jumped his ass. Most people on base aren't carrying [weapons], but MPs are and they would have been there in a heartbeat."

SFC Donald Buswell said, "I spent 10 years at Ft Hood. There is no way this 'official' story is legitimate. No way would a room full of combat vets allow this one shooter to get off over 100 rounds! And, it is not normal for the outside security guards to be there. They are at the MP station, and at the main gates. This means the room full of soldiers processing must have been pinned down; multiple shooters is the only plausible scenario. This sounds like Maj. Hasan has been used, and perhaps is a patsy."

Michael Gaddy, an army veteran of Vietnam, Beirut and Grenada writes: "The facts as presented by the Army and the media [about] the shooting at Fort Hood just don’t compute. People on the ground have told me cell phone towers were jammed to prevent unauthorized dissemination of information after the shooting."

A look at these articles in chronological order paints a very confusing picture. I am not even going to speculate on what really happened at Ft. Hood, but my bovine excrement meter is maxing out at the official story. I encourage you to read and come to your own conclusions.

Lori Price, writing for Citizens for Legitimate Government, did an excellent job of compiling articles from the media that came out in the early moments and the aftermath of the shootings. Here are some of her articles as well as some that I have found.

Nov. 5, 2009: Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, the commander of III Corps, said that at least one gunman opened fire at the base's Soldiers Readiness Processing Center where soldiers were receiving medical and dental exams prior to deployment. The gunman's fire was returned (Cone did not say by whom) and the gunman was killed. "The shooter was killed. He was a soldier. We since then have apprehended two additional soldiers who are suspects, and I would go into the point that there were eyewitness accounts that there may have been more than one shooter."

Nov. 5, 2009: CNN reports that a senior officer who was playing golf near Fort Hood, Texas, told CNN he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects of the shooting at the Army installation. After being told by MPs to clear the area, he ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying more MPs approached. He said he saw a soldier in battle-dress uniform, his hands in the air. The MPs ordered him to lie on the ground and open his uniform, presumably to ensure he was not carrying explosives, the senior officer said. He said an MP told him that authorities considered the man to be a suspect in the shootings after having overheard the man say he was with the shooter. The man was surrounded for 25 to 30 minutes, until a convoy of vehicles arrived, led by a Ford Crown Victoria and carrying men in suits, and he was taken away, the senior officer said.

Nov. 5, 2009: In an interview with Fox News, a man claiming to be the suspect's cousin, Nader Hasan, said that Major Hasan considered an upcoming deployment to Iraq "his worst nightmare." Nader Hasan added that his cousin wasn't violent, telling Fox News: "He wasn't somebody who even enjoyed going to the firing range." It was unclear whether Hasan acted alone. Lt. Gen. Cone said three soldiers who'd been taken into custody as possible accomplices had been released.

Nov. 5, 2009: Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Ft. Hood shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. He is a graduate of Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

Nov. 5, 2009: The New York Times reports: Clad in a military uniform and firing an automatic pistol and another weapon, Major Hasan, a balding, chubby-faced man with heavy eyebrows, sprayed bullets inside a crowded medical processing center for soldiers returning from or about to be sent overseas, military officials said. The victims, nearly all military personnel but including two civilians, were cut down in clusters, the officials said. Three other soldiers, their roles unclear, were taken into custody in connection with the rampage. The office of Representative John Carter, Republican of Texas, said they were later released, but a Fort Hood spokesman could not confirm that.

Nov. 6, 2009: Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, about to be deployed to a combat zone overseas, shouted a religious slogan in Arabic before going on the rampage at the Central Texas base Thursday, the base commander said. Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said that witnesses heard Hasan exclaim "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire. The phrase means "God is great!" in Arabic. Early Thursday, Hasan showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store's manager. “He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal,” she said.

Nov. 6, 2009: CNN, however, claims he was wearing religious clothing and supposedly has a video to prove it. Federal law enforcement officials then told the Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. CNN also reports that Hasan used a FN 5.7-millimeter pistol, a semi-automatic with a high-velocity 20-round capacity (unlike a 9mm) purchased legally at Guns Galore, a Killeen gun shop and another gun, identified only as a type of revolver. The high casualty rate is attributed to the "more than 100 rounds" fired by the gunman and the relatively small size of the room. More than 100 rounds fired means Hasam would have had to reload at least five times in close quarters with combat veterans surrounding him.

Nov. 6, 2009: From the Guardian UK. Ford Hood's deputy base commander, Colonel John G Rossi, said about 500 soldiers were in the area when Hasan entered the facility wearing a military uniform. He shot some victims at close range and others were injured as the bullets ricocheted, Rossi said. Troops are not allowed to carry firearms on the base and armed military police quickly swarmed to the scene. The base went into lockdown for several hours amid fears other gunmen were involved.

Nov. 7, 2009: The LA Times reports, Hasan, who had prayed at his mosque that morning, allegedly mumbled something to himself -- it may have been a prayer -- then jumped up. Witnesses reported that he said: "Allahu akbar," Arabic for "God is great." Inside the Readiness Center, Pfc. Marquest Smith, 21, was in a cubicle, across the desk from an employee, finishing paperwork ahead of his deployment in January to Afghanistan. Smith dragged several victims outside and returned to help others. He kept hearing popping. Then a pause. Then whispers: "He's reloading!" Smith saw the gunman, whose back was to him. He ran outside. The gunman fired after him. It takes seconds to place a new magazine into a pistol's grip; the gunman reloaded more than once, investigators said, and moved around the crowded room in a half-moon pattern before going outside into a courtyard.

Nov. 7, 2009: AP report claims that at least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades. They had not confirmed Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. Federal authorities seized Hasan's computer Friday during a search of his apartment in Killeen, Texas, said a U.S. military official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Confusing enough yet? Now let's simplify it:

Major Nidal Malik Hasan prayed at the same mosque as two of the September 11 terrorists, according to a report published in the Sunday Telegraph. According to ABC news, U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Hasan was attempting to make contact with an individual associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Now there are a few problems. The first is that if Hasan was being watched for six months and intelligence agencies knew of his ties to a radical cleric, why didn't anyone do anything about him before he shot up an army base? Is domestic spying worthless? (rhetorical question). Secondly, a search of his computers by law enforcement agencies revealed no communications with any terrorist organizations, and it is safe bet that all of his cell phone records, electronic transactions and everything else about his life have been scrutinized by now. Yet nothing? And thirdly, he's still alive and not talking. Not again mentioning the supposed fact that one highly trained desk jockey managed to fire hundreds of rounds from a semi-auto pistol and a revolver, hitting over 40 people, some of them repeatedly, in a building full of combat-trained soldiers.

Sounds to me like the intell boys have a lot of explaining to do. My bovine excrement meter is off the chart... How about yours?

[Henz]

There was a big Tea Party protest at the Capitol against the new Health Care bill and Socialist Government on Nov 5.

[Henz]

FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol

The weapon's characteristics have made it popular in law enforcement SWAT roles, where criminals wearing body armor may be encountered.

[Henz]

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony honroing soldiers who had obtained degrees from extension schools was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m

http://www.conservativecave.com/inde...;topic=36140.0

[Henz]

(CNN) -- At least seven people are dead and between 12 and 15 wounded in shootings at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday, senior Pentagon official told CNN. At least one person is "neutralized" in connection with the incident, and a second is "cornered," retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore told CNN, citing "unofficial, unconfirmed reports" from two sources.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/kill...1379P4KJRC0EJC

[Henz]

One shooter in custody, Associated Press says

Thursday, November 5, 2009, 03:17 PM

FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS:

Fort Hood spokeswoman: 1 shooter in custody, at least 2 gunmen believed involved in attack.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/conte...y_associa.html

[Henz]

Military and local hospital officials said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, KCEN reported.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/336788...me_and_courts/

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/0...-at-fort-hood/

[Henz]

Hasan entered his workplace, the Soldier Readiness Center—where personnel receive routine medical treatment immediately prior to and on return from deployment—at approximately 13:34 (CST). Next, according to eyewitnesses, he took a seat at an empty table at the center and bowed his head for several seconds,[15] then stood up and opened fire with two handguns: an FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol and a .357 Magnum Smith & Wesson revolver,[16] at soldiers processing through cubicles in the center and on a crowd gathered 30 minutes before a scheduled college graduation ceremony in a nearby theater.[17] The FN Five-seven pistol used in the shooting had been purchased at a civilian gun store.[18] At the start of the attack, Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted: "Allahu Akbar!",[19][20][21][22] before allegedly firing more than 100 rounds in the processing center.[23] Sgt. Mark Todd, a civilian police officer, said: "He was firing at people as they were trying to run and hide. Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."[24] A medic who treated Hasan said the pockets of his combat fatigues were full of pistol magazines.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

[Henz]

The man [desk jockey] who supposedly pulled off the worst [most skilled] mass shooting in US history, in an military base full of skilled combat vets no-less.


Major Nidal Hasan

[rentalguy1]

A. No one knows what the off-duty shooting habits of the shooter were. If he knew enough to purchase a five-seven, he knew more than the average psychiatrist. The average person, with little knowledge of weapons would have exited the gun store with a Glock 9mm, or some such.

B. ALL officers and aircrews, as well as several others in the army are taught to shoot a 9mm handgun in the standing, standing one hand, one knee, prone, and moving positions. Then they are required to qualify with that weapon a minimum of once per year. It is more likely that even physician officers are required to go to the range three or more times per year. Anyone with 12 years of service, and army pistol range time is more than adequate with the task at hand.

C. The majority of the soldiers at the SRP were not battle-hardened combat soldiers. They were a rag-tag group of National Guardsmen, Reservists, and active duty troops from various units. Thursday, the day of the massacre, was a make-up day at the SRP, and this is the reason for the individual nature of the processing. There were some combat soldiers present, and they conducted themselves as such. They were the ones rescuing other soldiers and providing aid in the face of fire.

D. It is my understanding, from a recreation that was on Fox News, that the majority of the shootings were in a small sized room within the main SRP building. Even if the shooter was not well qualified, it would have been like shooting fish in a barrel. There was no where for the troops to go.

E. There were no MP's there at the onset, and the nearest LEO was the female DOD cop. The only reason she was in such close vicinity was due to her posting for the day, because her cruiser was in the shop.

F. Soldiers are taught to react to fire in a fashion that is according to the particular situation. Self-preservation is always the first task to be reconciled. If a soldier is KIA, he cannot return fire and render aid to casualties. If he becomes a casualty himself, then he endangers the lives of those soldiers that may attempt to render aid to him. The first thing that is taught is the seek immediate cover and concealment. Second is to locate the enemy, and then return fire. In the absence of a weapon, the latter maneuver cannot be performed, so the soldier stands fast because he knows help is on the way.

Please do not try to make a conspiracy out of this. I served, and I know full well what the training dictates. I also know what it feels like to be pinned down by fire. These troops kept their cool, and responded accordingly. They do not need, nor deserve this. It was a islamic terrorist attack...transmission ends.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

A. No one knows what the off-duty shooting habits of the shooter were. If he knew enough to purchase a five-seven, he knew more than the average psychiatrist. The average person, with little knowledge of weapons would have exited the gun store with a Glock 9mm, or some such.

B. ALL officers and aircrews, as well as several others in the army are taught to shoot a 9mm handgun in the standing, standing one hand, one knee, prone, and moving positions. Then they are required to qualify with that weapon a minimum of once per year. It is more likely that even physician officers are required to go to the range three or more times per year. Anyone with 12 years of service, and army pistol range time is more than adequate with the task at hand.

C. The majority of the soldiers at the SRP were not battle-hardened combat soldiers. They were a rag-tag group of National Guardsmen, Reservists, and active duty troops from various units. Thursday, the day of the massacre, was a make-up day at the SRP, and this is the reason for the individual nature of the processing. There were some combat soldiers present, and they conducted themselves as such. They were the ones rescuing other soldiers and providing aid in the face of fire.

D. It is my understanding, from a recreation that was on Fox News, that the majority of the shootings were in a small sized room within the main SRP building. Even if the shooter was not well qualified, it would have been like shooting fish in a barrel. There was no where for the troops to go.

E. There were no MP's there at the onset, and the nearest LEO was the female DOD cop. The only reason she was in such close vicinity was due to her posting for the day, because her cruiser was in the shop.

F. Soldiers are taught to react to fire in a fashion that is according to the particular situation. Self-preservation is always the first task to be reconciled. If a soldier is KIA, he cannot return fire and render aid to casualties. If he becomes a casualty himself, then he endangers the lives of those soldiers that may attempt to render aid to him. The first thing that is taught is the seek immediate cover and concealment. Second is to locate the enemy, and then return fire. In the absence of a weapon, the latter maneuver cannot be performed, so the soldier stands fast because he knows help is on the way.

Please do not try to make a conspiracy out of this. I served, and I know full well what the training dictates. I also know what it feels like to be pinned down by fire. These troops kept their cool, and responded accordingly. They do not need, nor deserve this. It was a islamic terrorist attack...transmission ends.

Great post Guy.
My thoughts to the families involved.

[DWARREN123]

Still seems slightly off kilter to me. Someone somehow dropped the ball on this guy!

[Maximilian II]

My first thoughts are that he should have been declared a Conscientious Objector or somesuch and relegated to a desk job. Thing is, that's pretty much what he was!
My next thought is, why was he even in the U.S. military in the first place? I know people who would love to be in service but can't due to minor criminal offences like DUI's, but this nutjob can be an officer in charge of EVALUATING OUR TROOPS when he's the one needing a psych eval? WTF?

[GMFWoodchuck]

The story is full of holes because they don't know the whole story. If anyone bothered to pay attention you would have heard them specifically state that they don't know the whole story.......

What can we expect? They are told to answer reporters questions.....Give them a break..

[Artemus]

Paranoia will destroy ya.

[Henz]

Media Fail: Kimberly Munley Did Not Bring Down Fort Hood Killer

Posted: November 12, 2009

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-m..._b_355600.html


Senior Sgt. Mark Todd

With the publication of an interview with Sgt. Mark Todd, the actual cop who gunned down the killer at Fort Hood -- following its account of an unnamed eyewitness last night -- the New York Times finally underlined what some of us noticed from nearly the start: the media fell hook, line and sinker once again for a military account of what happened during the tragedy.

First, it was the "death" of Major Hasan, not corrected for many hours. Then, for days, the story of how a white female cop brought down the shooter, even as she was receiving serious wounds. Yet I noticed just hours after the attack that scattered eyewitnesses, via the Web and Twitter, were saying that the killer re-loaded after Kimberly Munley went down.

How could he have done that if she had just plugged him four times, supposedly ending the rampage? Some of those witnesses said they yelled at the second cop to shoot Hasan--which he did, and then went up and kicked his gun away. Yet for days the media rarely questioned the military's "official" story of Munley as savior.

Most news outlets for days labeled Munley "the" (singular) Fort Hood hero. She was the "Mighty Mouse." It wasn't until two days ago that Sgt.Todd got feature billing, although in a secondary role. Now, in the past day, he is finally getting his due as the original account begins to fall away. The cop who saved the day is a black man, not a white woman.

What else will turn out false about Fort Hood claims from military, e.g. the "Allahu Akbar" shouts by Hasan?

[Henz]

McClatchy newspapers scrubs article title mentioning "Gunmen" with "M-16s" with no correction notice.

McClatchy's original article title.

Gunmen with M-16s kill at least 7 at Fort Hood in Texas | McClatchy
Nov 5, 2009 ... At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Lt. Gen.
www.mcclatchydc.com/crime/story/78425.html

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22Gu...443ffcb5a5cce1

NBC affiliate picks up McClatchy's original article title.

McClatchy 1 week ago
Gunmen with M-16s kill at least 7 at Fort Hood in Texas

WASHINGTON — At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon... Full Article at McClatchy

http://sec.wbir.com/article/08PN8KC1...q=The+Pentagon

12 dead, More than 30 Wounded in Fort Hood shooting; Three Suspects: One Dead (Not Dead), Two in Custody (Updated) Shooter Was Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, Licensed Psychiatrist; Hasan Still Alive

http://www.theneweditor.com/index.ph...-shooting.html

Update XII: McClatchey reports that the shooters used M-16 rifles.

Update XIII: KCEN-TV reports that about '500 military personnel are moving sacross the base' in order to secure it. Two suspects now in custody.

Update XVII: Military briefing at base -- 12 dead, 31 wounded. One shooter dead; two others in custody. All three were US soldiers. Motive unknown.

Update XXV: AP reports that the other two soldiers have been released by authorities.

[Henz]

Fort Hood On Lockdown After Shooting From Multiple Gunmen

5 November 2009, 3:55 PM

http://guanabee.com/2009/11/fort-hood-shooting/

UPDATE 5:30 PM: Major Malik Nadal Hasan has been named as the shooter who was killed by local police officers. HE WAS A PSYCHIATRIST. FOR THE ARMY. Awko.

UPDATE: 3: 51 PM CT: At a press conference live from Ft. Hood, Lt. General Bob Cone said that one shooter–who was an Army Major–was killed by local, civilian police at approximately 1:30 PM CT. He also said there are 12 dead and 31 people were wounded. A civilian police officer is among the dead and, to his knowledge, no children were killed. The wounded have a range of injuries. He also said that two more shooters were apprehended after the first shooter was killed and apprehended. President Obama and Texas Governor Rick Perry are set to hold their own press conferences momentarily.

UPDATE: 3:48 PM CT: KCEN is reporting 9 confirmed dead and that the captured shooter is an Army major with an “Arabic sounding name.” Gauche.

UPDATE: 3:40 PM CT: Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R) says she was told that 30 people were injured in this afternoon’s shootings. KCEN is hearing unconfirmed reports that there were shots fired at Kouma and Liberty Villages on post–two residential neighborhoods at Ft. Hood.

UPDATE 3:32 PM CT: Local, Killeen television station KCEN says that two shooters are in custody and there are rumors of a third shooter. KCEN also reports rumors of shots currently being fired at soldiers’ residences. Warning sirens are going off which could mean that there is still the threat of another suspect on post.

UPDATE: 3:04 PM CT: 2 Sources tell CNN that the second gunman in Fort Hood is “cornered”.

UPDATE 2:59 PM CT: Sgt. Major Jamie Posten reports to CNN that there were two shooters who fired shots into the soldier processing center. (He sounds very shaken up, too.) He cannot confirm or deny fatalities and injuries. It is not known whether the shooters are soldiers or civilians.

Breaking: Fort Hood Army base in Killeen, Texas–the largest military base in the world–just experienced a “mass shooting”, at approximately 1:30 PM CT, where at least seven people were killed and 12-15 more injured. One gunman has been apprehended, but it is possible that there were multiple gunmen.

Details being reported:

* 7 people dead.
* 12-15 injured
* M-16 apprehended
* Ft. Hood and area schools are on lockdown.

Stay tuned for developments.

[Lotsdragon]

Well unless you were there the whole truth will probably never be told. They are pointing fingers so fast someones nose is gonna get a friction burn.

[Henz]

Originally Posted by Henz

Michael Gaddy, an army veteran of Vietnam, Beirut and Grenada writes: "The facts as presented by the Army and the media [about] the shooting at Fort Hood just don’t compute. People on the ground have told me cell phone towers were jammed to prevent unauthorized dissemination of information after the shooting."

Another account.

reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 11:36 AM by Kr0n0s

My X-Wifes niece is getting married to a Fort Hood officer. They were their when this happened.

She just told me that during the lockdown, all of their cell phones were "offline"

They were still on but had no signal and were unable to make outgoing or receive incoming calls.

Just a bit ago, they were told, by the groom that they have technology on the base that jams cell phones, which is why none of their phones work.

Not a huge conspiracy, jamming technology isnt unknown but thats the first time ive heard about it being implemented on that large a scale and on a military base on US soil.

[Henz]

Manchurian candidate?

Published: November 8, 2009
At the Scene of the Shooting

Around 1:20 p.m., Major Hasan walks in and sits at a table. Officials say that he bows his head for several seconds and then calmly stands up and begins firing.

As he methodically moved around the room, he spared some people while firing on others several times. He seemed to discriminate among his targets, though it is unclear why.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...-shooting.html

[Maximilian II]

Question: I thought the five-seven was restricted to law enforcement? I'd love to get one myself but seem to recall they were hard to get.
How'd he get one?

[Henz]

Doing the math on this shooting.

The Five-Seven pistol is supplied with 20 round magazines, or 10 round magazines where restricted by law.

Reports were over 100 shots fire.

If Hasan's gun was equipped with 20 round magazines, he would have reached and fumbled through his pockets to change clips 6 times at the very least. SIX TIMES!!! Six magazine changes without being jumped on by trained soldiers, or things thrown at him like chairs, tables, books, shoes, pocket knives, or whatever to try to incapacitate him, or temporary delay him so people can jump on him.

If he exactly shot off, let's say, 110 rounds and hit 43 people only once, that's about 40% accuracy.

However, some of those shot were shot multiple times.

Staff Sergeant Shawn Manning was shot 6 times.

Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley, the civilian police officer, was shot 4 times.

Staff Sgt. Paul Martin was shot 4 times.

Spc. Dayna Ferguson was shot 4 times.

Capt. Dorrie Carskadon was shot 3 times.

Pfc. Michael Pearson was shot 3 times.

Pvt. Najee Hull was shot 3 times.

Alan Carroll was shot 3 times.

Chief Warrant Officer Chris Royal was shot 3 times.

Chief Warrant Officer Chris Birmingham was shot 3 times.

Staff. Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford was shot 3 times.

Army Spec. Matthew Cooke was shot 3 times.

Maj. Randy Royer was shot 2 times.

Sgt. John Pagel was shot 2 times.

Nathan A. Hewitt was shot 2 times.


The above is 15 people being shot 48 times. If the remaining 28 people were shot only once, then a total of 76 bullets struck those 43 people jumping Hasan's accuracy up to a mind boggling 70%!

Remember this is assuming the 13 people killed were only shot once. The odds are that a lot of these 13 people killed were shot multiple times also, sending Hasan's accuracy percentage up even higher.

[Henz]

A thought I should have stressed, doesn't this atrocious mass shooting being pinned on a Muslim who's being reported to have loose ties with 9/11 hijackers seem too coincidental and fits the bill of a psyop shooting?

The United State's wars in two Muslims countries are becoming ever increasingly unpopular in the states and around the world.

If this Muslim was against these wars because he felt it was targeting Muslims, his crazed mass killing at an American military base was the worst thing he could have done for Muslims and the best thing for the military industrial complex.

If this Major did not want to be shipped off to war for political or religious reasons, he could have applied for conscientious objector status. And coincidentally, he actually recommended this to senior officers for Muslims in the military.

The Army psychiatrist suspected of killing 13 people at Fort Hood reportedly warned senior Army physicians in 2007 that the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars to avoid "adverse events."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573547,00.html

Does it make sense that a well educated physician who makes it to Major in the military would just go berserk and is able to pull of a stunningly mass shooting of dozens and dozens of well trained soldiers all by himself that further ruins the image if Muslims in this conservative gun-loving Christian dominated country in the time of war instead of applying for conscientious objector status?

[artabr]

Originally Posted by Maximilian II

Question: I thought the five-seven was restricted to law enforcement? I'd love to get one myself but seem to recall they were hard to get.
How'd he get one?

The 5.7x28mm. Armor Piecing ammo is what was/is restricted, not the gun or standard ammo.
Those are available to the public.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7x28mm



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