H&R Revolver Question - The Firearms Forum

XrayGuy · 01-11-2010, 01:04 AM

I picked up an H&R revolver and from everything Ive read about it, it seems to have conflicting identifiers and Im not even sure what ammo it uses. I will try to post pics but until then, I will try to describe it as best as I can.

The left side of the barrel H&R ARMS COMPANY WORCHESTER MASS USA
and below I think it says 38 s&w ctge but the "8" isnt fully stamped and I cant tell if its actually an 8. The top of the gun says THE AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION. It has a 5 round cylinder with a pull pin. The bottom end of the cylinder has the number 13 stamped on it. The number stamped at the base of the grip is 202113. Its in pretty good shape and with a new cylinder and grips it would be in great shape. But I cant figure out what gun it is and what parts to buy for it. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.

THANKS

ampaterry · 01-11-2010, 06:44 AM

"The American" is the model name, and these revolvers were mady by H&R from 1890 to 1941. The calibers made were .22, .32, .38, and .44, and both the .32 and the .38 are identified as S&W. You should be able to measure the chamber and find out which it is.

BUT -

I do NOT HAVE serial number data, and therefore cannot say if this is safe for modern ammunition so if I were you I would NOT fire it until you find this out. I THINK with this high a number it would have been made in the smokeless powder days, but I would sure verify this before risking disaster with it.

Someone here surely has this information -

My wife owns an Albion Brittish service pistol in .38 S&W, and likes the round very much.

Oh - a picture of this model?

b.goforth · 01-11-2010, 01:06 PM

the caliber is 38 S&W serial number 202113 is a fairly early second model about 1910 or so. this revolver was first introduced in about 1884 and those manufactured between 1884 and 1904 are chambered for black powder cartridge pressures. the caliber marked on the left side of the barrel identifys this one as a second model.

AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION SECOND MODEL
(SMOKELESS POWDER) ------------------1905-1941
32 caliber 6 shot, 38 caliber 5 shot, 44 caliber 5 shot, pull pin cylinder release, calibers and barrel lengths are the same as first model, 44 Webley caliber discontinued in 1921, nickel finish, blue optional. Difference between First Model and Second Model is the caliber Markings on the left side of the barrel. After 1930 this model was listed in catalogs as; AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION No. 60 .32 Caliber 6 shot and AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION No. 65 .38 Caliber 5 shot. Caliber Markings on left side of barrel.
100%=$225 60%= $75 For all American Double Action Second Models add 15% premium for blue finish and 10% for 4 ½” or 6” barrel

bill

XrayGuy · 01-11-2010, 03:24 PM

Thanks a lot to both of you guys, I didnt realize how old the gun was, I had been guessing closer to 50 years old, not 100. I am going to check numrich and bobs for parts, do you know of anywhere else I should look?

XrayGuy · 01-11-2010, 03:38 PM

oh and is the .38s&w a rimfire round? When I look for cylinders, I find the .32 listed as centerfire and .38 as rimfire.

45Auto · 01-11-2010, 04:46 PM

.38 S&W is centerfire. H&R made this revolver in .38 rim fire but only under the name "The H&R Bull Dog"

01-11-2010, 01:04 AM	#1
XrayGuy Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3	H&R Revolver Question I picked up an H&R revolver and from everything Ive read about it, it seems to have conflicting identifiers and Im not even sure what ammo it uses. I will try to post pics but until then, I will try to describe it as best as I can. The left side of the barrel H&R ARMS COMPANY WORCHESTER MASS USA and below I think it says 38 s&w ctge but the "8" isnt fully stamped and I cant tell if its actually an 8. The top of the gun says THE AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION. It has a 5 round cylinder with a pull pin. The bottom end of the cylinder has the number 13 stamped on it. The number stamped at the base of the grip is 202113. Its in pretty good shape and with a new cylinder and grips it would be in great shape. But I cant figure out what gun it is and what parts to buy for it. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated. THANKS -->

01-11-2010, 06:44 AM	#2
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,378	Re: H&R Revolver Question "The American" is the model name, and these revolvers were mady by H&R from 1890 to 1941. The calibers made were .22, .32, .38, and .44, and both the .32 and the .38 are identified as S&W. You should be able to measure the chamber and find out which it is. BUT - I do NOT HAVE serial number data, and therefore cannot say if this is safe for modern ammunition so if I were you I would NOT fire it until you find this out. I THINK with this high a number it would have been made in the smokeless powder days, but I would sure verify this before risking disaster with it. Someone here surely has this information - My wife owns an Albion Brittish service pistol in .38 S&W, and likes the round very much. Oh - a picture of this model? Attached Images __________________ Reason given by one of Obama's more intellectual supporters when asked why she voted for him: *"He gave me a PHONE!!"*

01-11-2010, 01:06 PM	#3
b.goforth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 3,174	Re: H&R Revolver Question the caliber is 38 S&W serial number 202113 is a fairly early second model about 1910 or so. this revolver was first introduced in about 1884 and those manufactured between 1884 and 1904 are chambered for black powder cartridge pressures. the caliber marked on the left side of the barrel identifys this one as a second model. AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION SECOND MODEL (SMOKELESS POWDER) ------------------1905-1941 32 caliber 6 shot, 38 caliber 5 shot, 44 caliber 5 shot, pull pin cylinder release, calibers and barrel lengths are the same as first model, 44 Webley caliber discontinued in 1921, nickel finish, blue optional. Difference between First Model and Second Model is the caliber Markings on the left side of the barrel. After 1930 this model was listed in catalogs as; AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION No. 60 .32 Caliber 6 shot and AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION No. 65 .38 Caliber 5 shot. Caliber Markings on left side of barrel. 100%=$225 60%= $75 For all American Double Action Second Models add 15% premium for blue finish and 10% for 4 ½” or 6” barrel bill __________________ Author: Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works 1871-1993 H&R Arms Company 1871-1986 (due spring 2010) available from www.gunshowbooks.com website; iverjohnsoncollector.x10hosting.com

01-11-2010, 03:24 PM	#4
XrayGuy Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3	Re: H&R Revolver Question Thanks a lot to both of you guys, I didnt realize how old the gun was, I had been guessing closer to 50 years old, not 100. I am going to check numrich and bobs for parts, do you know of anywhere else I should look?

01-11-2010, 03:38 PM	#5
XrayGuy Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3	Re: H&R Revolver Question oh and is the .38s&w a rimfire round? When I look for cylinders, I find the .32 listed as centerfire and .38 as rimfire.

01-11-2010, 04:46 PM	#6
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124	Re: H&R Revolver Question .38 S&W is centerfire. H&R made this revolver in .38 rim fire but only under the name "The H&R Bull Dog"