Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

cycloneman · 01-24-2010, 07:29 PM

There must be a reason for this. If two people meet in the parking lot and want to have sex you are not going to stop it. Your not going to stop people from selling guns or drugs in the parking lot but obviously it cant be done in public or in front of LEO or agents. So just bring the sale somewhere else. I take this info useful and ment to keep people out of trouble. i dunno

CampingJosh · 01-24-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Redhand

So Camping Josh what I ascertain from your statement is that I can't have an individual to individual transaction within the rented venue although the show is advertized as a buy,sell and trade show?

That is not at all what I said. Please reread:

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

I was at a gun show just today, and they required that all deals be made inside. They didn't require everything to go through an FFL holder, but they wanted it all to be in the building.

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Originally Posted by Redhand

Most of the people I observe making transactions outside the public facility are folks walking into the building to go into the show. Someone in the parking lot see's another carrying in an interesting piece and you ask about whats being sold and get first crack at it is wrong. The others are waiting in line to pay their admission and the same thing happens, is that wrong? How about paying your admission walking thru the show and having a number of dealers try to seriously low-ball you so you go out side to set down and consider the information or dis-information you've been hit with,Is that wrong? And someone just happens to make you an offer outside that is much more realistic and closer to what you expect, Is that wrong? I think when a promoter rents a venue he/she doesn't rent the whole facility including the parking lot, here I maybe wrong but this is a civic center,publicly funded. I personally have no problems carry a for sale item into the show,only to be condesended to and berated by alot of the dealers in their attempt to low-ball me. I would have stopped going to gun shows long ago if it were not for the walk-ins. I remember one instance when I was going into a show seeing a little old lady carrying a pristine Colt 1911. I ask her what she wanted for it, at which she replied I won't sell it until I talk to the dealers and find out what its worth. I offered her $2000. for it on the spot without checking to see if it was all original. I saw her later come out of the show sans pistol. It her me to think some dealer got it for little of nothing, and here I'm assuming but from firsthand experience I know how things work. The dealers want the walk-ins too how else would they have anything worthwhile to sell. They will never see another of mine.

Yes, if you violate the rules of the person running the event, it's wrong. Again, I refer you to the idea of setting up a shop in the parking lot of Walmart. It's wrong because it's using their property in a way they do not permit.

The rule is there so that they can have arrested anyone who tries to conduct business without paying for use of the facility. Doing so is stealing, and people should be arrested for that. Some of the people who make deals in the parking lot will still pay to come into the show, but many of them will not. This is then stealing from the promoters.

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

Exactly. I couldn't enjoy the show (and I drove quite a ways to get there) because I was concerned about my car being broken into. I hate to go unarmed too.

There is no reason to leave a gun in the car. Take the ammo out of it, then put it right back in your holster. You can even put the ammo in your pocket.

You can take in as many guns as you want; you just aren't (usually) allowed to keep the ammo in them while inside the building.

Redhand · 01-24-2010, 10:44 PM

Conducting business on a Private entity like Wallyworld and a publicly funded Civic center are two different horses. Also please query me this , Would not the event organizer incur some liability concerning any prohibited or illegal activity inside or outside the building including the parking lot? Also requiring all transaction to occur within the confines of their venue incur some inherant liability? And just because you enter the parking lot and even the building without paying the admission fee does not make you a participant in the event. You are John Q Public until you pay your admission. So how is it stealing if you go in pay the admission and then choose to go out side and hope someone comes up and makes you an offer on your gun? I have never been to a show where private individuals are outside the building chant Get your Guns, Get Your Guns right here!!! I don't ever remember anyone ask me as I was going in the show if I wanted to buy their gun unless I showed an interest or ask about it. Even in the show I don't see individuals asking others including the dealers if they want to buy a carry around. And most shows I used to attend ask if you have any ammunition if you are carrying a piece for sale. At the Civic center where this show is held there is more event space other than where the gunshow is held. Does the promoter have venue over the entire facility?

Redhand · 01-24-2010, 10:49 PM

And also a private transaction between individuals does not constitute business per se and does not require a business license or a background check YET!!! And don't advocate breaking the rules by putting the ammo back in your pocket.

rentalguy1 · 01-25-2010, 06:05 AM

Same junk has been creeping into Northeast TN, too. I have went to my last show for a while. On top of the blatant scrapping of constitutional rights, it is always so packed that you get claustrophobic on the show floor.

pinecone70 · 01-25-2010, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

There is no reason to leave a gun in the car. Take the ammo out of it, then put it right back in your holster. You can even put the ammo in your pocket.

You can take in as many guns as you want; you just aren't (usually) allowed to keep the ammo in them while inside the building.

Not at all, that was my point; if you have any ammo on you, in your pocket or wherever, they believe it is theirs to take. They also zip-tie the gun. I think I just won't tell them I have one at all in the future.

lead · 01-25-2010, 07:23 AM

Our local show does not allow concealed carry, or loose ammo in the show. They do allow you to bring in boxed ammo though. I traded off a pistol last time I was there and brought the extra ammo I had in that caliber with me and had no problem.
Locally, we've seen prices going up on the shows. Yesterday they were charging $10 to get in. Vendors tell me they've raised the prices for tables at the show too. I'm sure there is concern that people will start selling outside to avoid the entry fee. And, frankly, I know a few gun store owners that would like to see the shows go away. They don't want you to be able to shop around and find out that the used pistols they have are almost as high as buying a new one, or have to compete with private sales. The last time I heard, tables were $50-60 each and most vendors have to have multiple tables to show their stuff. You can kind of see their concern.

45nut · 01-25-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

I hate that they make us surrender our ammo when we're carrying. The gun show folks walk away with five gallon pails full of live ammo, usually the self defense varieties.

I leave my good gun and ammo in the truck and keep my Kel-Tec in my pocket. Screw those goose stepping morons.

All it is, is more control of the sheeple. Ain't gonna be long now boys.

Double D · 01-25-2010, 07:53 AM

I am not taking sides here. I will say that people have this misconception of dealers. I can attest that dealers have rules to follow that they dont really agree with and so do the gun show promoters. I dont like the entry costs going up, but I will be honest with you. The gun business is not a huge money making business. I have to sell 3-4 guns to make a hundred bucks. The cost of the table and the other costs of being there and getting there eat up a bunch of your profit. I have to sell 6 guns before I begin to make any profit at all. Sometimes these people travel hundreds of miles and dont sell a thing, thats just the way it is. So, to try to get the transactions to stay "inside" is not an unreasonable request. The way it is carried out may very well be wrong. For anyone out there who still believes dealers are raking in the cash, I can personally quell that misconception. I have to invest ALOT of cash to make a thousand dollars and I have to answer to the authoritys and keep paperwork of every transaction for years and years.

pinecone70 · 01-25-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

I leave my good gun and ammo in the truck and keep my Kel-Tec in my pocket. Screw those goose stepping morons.

All it is, is more control of the sheeple. Ain't gonna be long now boys.

I'm sure it's insurance liability they're concerned with, not so much controlling their customers. When they rent buildings for these venues, I'm sure they have to cough up an insurance policy.

45nut · 01-25-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

I'm sure it's insurance liability they're concerned with, not so much controlling their customers. When they rent buildings for these venues, I'm sure they have to cough up an insurance policy.

You're probably right, but I'm not laying down my guns.

pinecone70 · 01-25-2010, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

You're probably right, but I'm not laying down my guns.

Heh. I probably won't anymore either. I still get kind of twitchy, like they'll know somehow, but I have gone armed into places that forbid it and nothing has happened.

bcj1755 · 01-25-2010, 09:52 AM

According to NC law, I can't carry open or concealed into a gun show because admission is charged for entrance. We can't carry into any place that charges admission. That includes movie theaters, which are really bad for vehicle B&Es because Johnny Scumbag knows that the owner will be away from the car for at least an hour and a half. Plus, some of the scumbag criminals around here have figured out that gun store parking lots and gun show parking lots are great places to go pirating through cars looking for guns.

CampingJosh · 01-27-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Redhand

Conducting business on a Private entity like Wallyworld and a publicly funded Civic center are two different horses. Also please query me this , Would not the event organizer incur some liability concerning any prohibited or illegal activity inside or outside the building including the parking lot? Also requiring all transaction to occur within the confines of their venue incur some inherant liability? And just because you enter the parking lot and even the building without paying the admission fee does not make you a participant in the event. You are John Q Public until you pay your admission. So how is it stealing if you go in pay the admission and then choose to go out side and hope someone comes up and makes you an offer on your gun? I have never been to a show where private individuals are outside the building chant Get your Guns, Get Your Guns right here!!! I don't ever remember anyone ask me as I was going in the show if I wanted to buy their gun unless I showed an interest or ask about it. Even in the show I don't see individuals asking others including the dealers if they want to buy a carry around. And most shows I used to attend ask if you have any ammunition if you are carrying a piece for sale. At the Civic center where this show is held there is more event space other than where the gunshow is held. Does the promoter have venue over the entire facility?

When the publicly-funded civic center is still a private location. I don't care if you don't like it, but that's how it is. Just because you're a taxpayer doesn't mean you can walk in and do whatever you want.

I'm sure you've never seen people sitting outside selling guns. I haven't either. And the point of the rule is to keep that from taking place. Smart business people come up with solutions before the problem begins. "An ounce of prevention..."

If you pay your admission and then do your business outside: do you refuse to sell to someone until he goes and pays the admission? I doubt it. Yet it was the promoter's paid advertising that brought the customer to you. You used his services with him getting his due.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but it's not a complicated concept.

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Originally Posted by Redhand

And also a private transaction between individuals does not constitute business per se and does not require a business license or a background check YET!!! And don't advocate breaking the rules by putting the ammo back in your pocket.

The show I went to last weekend allowed people to carry in ammo. If yours didn't, then you shouldn't. I wasn't advocating breaking rules; I was offering an alternative based on the rules I knew.

And a private transaction between individuals is business per se. It does not require a business license, and it does not require a background check, but many states do require taxes to be paid on that type of transaction (though most people ignore it).

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

Not at all, that was my point; if you have any ammo on you, in your pocket or wherever, they believe it is theirs to take. They also zip-tie the gun. I think I just won't tell them I have one at all in the future.

Again, the show I just went to allowed me to carry in ammo. I brought in 700 rounds in a can, 20 in a box, and 40 loose. I put the loose in a Ziploc bag. Maybe that's what made the difference?

CampingJosh · 01-27-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

Heh. I probably won't anymore either. I still get kind of twitchy, like they'll know somehow, but I have gone armed into places that forbid it and nothing has happened.

In all honesty, it's very likely that the worst they can do is ask you to leave. If you badger them about it, they may even refund your entry fee.

pinecone70 · 01-27-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Again, the show I just went to allowed me to carry in ammo. I brought in 700 rounds in a can, 20 in a box, and 40 loose. I put the loose in a Ziploc bag. Maybe that's what made the difference?

I think their heads would explode if I tried that here.

The rule is no outside ammo at all, and zip-tied triggers on carry guns, they want Minnesotans to buy ammo from the show. I doubt anybody would get so excited they'd start shooting in the air, maybe that's what they're worried about.

If we get caught carrying in a no-carry area here, we are charged with trespassing. If they're nice about it we don't get taken downtown.

Argh. It's all very sad.

rentalguy1 · 01-27-2010, 02:19 PM

The only places I don't carry are the ones with metal detectors. Everyone else can follow the "wishes," I, however, remember what happened across town at Luby's.

pinecone70 · 01-27-2010, 02:20 PM

Exactly.

CampingJosh · 01-27-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pinecone70

I think their heads would explode if I tried that here.

The rule is no outside ammo at all, and zip-tied triggers on carry guns, they want Minnesotans to buy ammo from the show. I doubt anybody would get so excited they'd start shooting in the air, maybe that's what they're worried about.

If we get caught carrying in a no-carry area here, we are charged with trespassing. If they're nice about it we don't get taken downtown.

Argh. It's all very sad.

That sucks. At the show I went to, there were only 4 licensed dealers. Everyone else was just there to buy, sell, and trade.

There was one table that didn't sell any guns at all, but he had boxes of every kind of ammo imaginable. Not great prices, but reasonable.

If we had those rules here, I don't think anyone would come. It's amazing how different two states can be when we're geographically so close.

pinecone70 · 01-27-2010, 02:34 PM

It is kind of amazing. Our shows are mostly licensed dealers, I have only seen a few private sellers. They have strict rules here, which is probably why all the shows are put on by the same three venues.

I always see reloaded ammo from a certain seller, his prices are as high as retail new ammo. I mostly go to the shows to see everything, and watch people.

TheGunClinger · 01-27-2010, 03:35 PM

At the local show here, you can sell or buy anything while in line to get in. You do have to hand them your Unloaded weapon to be tiestrapped and you cannot have any ammo on you. I have been known to just put the clip or bullets in my pocket. I'm not about to walk out of there with my new toy and go into the huge parking lot full of who knows who without being loaded. Lately I just keep my gun concealed and dont tell them. By the way, if you do have loaded weapons or clips they will unload them and keep the bullets and you cant get them back.

chuckusaret · 01-30-2010, 12:10 PM

The shows here in West Palm Beach Florida don't restrict the sales indoors but do frown on parking lot sales. My big problem with recent shows is that they have evolved into flea markets. I don't pay to look at pots and pans, I pay to look at, and occasion, buy weapons. I complained to the past shows promoter, claims I was the only person to complain. Fine I no longer take family to the monthly show. That is a loss of 8 paid admissions ($64)

Redhand · 01-30-2010, 04:22 PM

At the last and I do mean LAST gunshows I've attended the lines stretched out into the parking lots, so would sales in those lines be OK?

TheGunClinger · 01-31-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Redhand

At the last and I do mean LAST gunshows I've attended the lines stretched out into the parking lots, so would sales in those lines be OK?

Where I am, it is ok so far, and thats why I get there early. You never know what kind of bargains you can get or what you can get rid of that you dont want before you ge to the dealers inside. Once you get inside, whatever you have is crap and whatever the dealers have is golden. I was looking at a dealers .41 Remington Arms double barreled derringer with a broken hinge and he wanted $1500 But when I showed him my same gun which looked much better and had a perfect hinge he says that "You got a nice $200-300 piece there. I still have that Derringer. You have to be on your toes.

Oldeyes · 02-01-2010, 07:28 AM

I think that Redhand nailed it when he asked, "Would not the event organizer incur some liability concerning any prohibited or illegal activity inside or outside the building including the parking lot?"

Unfortunately we still live in an increasingly litigation oriented society and as such tort law oriented lawsuits almost always draw in all of the folks associated with a specific occurrence, especially those with the deepest pockets. In the situation of leased space for a gun show event which is generally legally inclusive of a portion of the parking lot used for the venue, the civil lawsuit would undoubtedly include the property owning lessor, the gun show promoting lessee, as well as all of the actual individual 'actors' involved in the gun related legal problem. Thus, it behooves all involved in putting on gun shows to attempt to restrict all firearms transactions to a theoretically more controlled environment which exists within the walls of the show. And should some type of liability arise out of administratively prohibited parking lot gun transactions which do occur, those involved as lessor and lessee can set forth in their court defense all of their good faith efforts to prevent such transactions as set forth and agreed to as administratively prohibited transactions in the executed agreement between the lessor and lessee. That unfortunately is the legal world in which we live.

01-24-2010, 07:29 PM	#26
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,401	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! There must be a reason for this. If two people meet in the parking lot and want to have sex you are not going to stop it. Your not going to stop people from selling guns or drugs in the parking lot but obviously it cant be done in public or in front of LEO or agents. So just bring the sale somewhere else. I take this info useful and ment to keep people out of trouble. i dunno __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

01-24-2010, 10:44 PM	#28
Redhand Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 607	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! Conducting business on a Private entity like Wallyworld and a publicly funded Civic center are two different horses. Also please query me this , Would not the event organizer incur some liability concerning any prohibited or illegal activity inside or outside the building including the parking lot? Also requiring all transaction to occur within the confines of their venue incur some inherant liability? And just because you enter the parking lot and even the building without paying the admission fee does not make you a participant in the event. You are John Q Public until you pay your admission. So how is it stealing if you go in pay the admission and then choose to go out side and hope someone comes up and makes you an offer on your gun? I have never been to a show where private individuals are outside the building chant Get your Guns, Get Your Guns right here!!! I don't ever remember anyone ask me as I was going in the show if I wanted to buy their gun unless I showed an interest or ask about it. Even in the show I don't see individuals asking others including the dealers if they want to buy a carry around. And most shows I used to attend ask if you have any ammunition if you are carrying a piece for sale. At the Civic center where this show is held there is more event space other than where the gunshow is held. Does the promoter have venue over the entire facility?

01-24-2010, 10:49 PM	#29
Redhand Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 607	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! And also a private transaction between individuals does not constitute business per se and does not require a business license or a background check YET!!! And don't advocate breaking the rules by putting the ammo back in your pocket.

01-25-2010, 06:05 AM	#30
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! Same junk has been creeping into Northeast TN, too. I have went to my last show for a while. On top of the blatant scrapping of constitutional rights, it is always so packed that you get claustrophobic on the show floor.

01-25-2010, 07:23 AM	#32
lead Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,522	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! Our local show does not allow concealed carry, or loose ammo in the show. They do allow you to bring in boxed ammo though. I traded off a pistol last time I was there and brought the extra ammo I had in that caliber with me and had no problem. Locally, we've seen prices going up on the shows. Yesterday they were charging $10 to get in. Vendors tell me they've raised the prices for tables at the show too. I'm sure there is concern that people will start selling outside to avoid the entry fee. And, frankly, I know a few gun store owners that would like to see the shows go away. They don't want you to be able to shop around and find out that the used pistols they have are almost as high as buying a new one, or have to compete with private sales. The last time I heard, tables were $50-60 each and most vendors have to have multiple tables to show their stuff. You can kind of see their concern. __________________ The best things in life, are not things.

01-25-2010, 07:53 AM	#34
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,070	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! I am not taking sides here. I will say that people have this misconception of dealers. I can attest that dealers have rules to follow that they dont really agree with and so do the gun show promoters. I dont like the entry costs going up, but I will be honest with you. The gun business is not a huge money making business. I have to sell 3-4 guns to make a hundred bucks. The cost of the table and the other costs of being there and getting there eat up a bunch of your profit. I have to sell 6 guns before I begin to make any profit at all. Sometimes these people travel hundreds of miles and dont sell a thing, thats just the way it is. So, to try to get the transactions to stay "inside" is not an unreasonable request. The way it is carried out may very well be wrong. For anyone out there who still believes dealers are raking in the cash, I can personally quell that misconception. I have to invest ALOT of cash to make a thousand dollars and I have to answer to the authoritys and keep paperwork of every transaction for years and years. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

01-25-2010, 09:52 AM	#38
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! According to NC law, I can't carry open or concealed into a gun show because admission is charged for entrance. We can't carry into any place that charges admission. That includes movie theaters, which are really bad for vehicle B&Es because Johnny Scumbag knows that the owner will be away from the car for at least an hour and a half. Plus, some of the scumbag criminals around here have figured out that gun store parking lots and gun show parking lots are great places to go pirating through cars looking for guns. __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

01-27-2010, 02:19 PM	#42
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! The only places I don't carry are the ones with metal detectors. Everyone else can follow the "wishes," I, however, remember what happened across town at Luby's.

01-27-2010, 02:20 PM	#43
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! Exactly. __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

01-27-2010, 02:34 PM	#45
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! It is kind of amazing. Our shows are mostly licensed dealers, I have only seen a few private sellers. They have strict rules here, which is probably why all the shows are put on by the same three venues. I always see reloaded ammo from a certain seller, his prices are as high as retail new ammo. I mostly go to the shows to see everything, and watch people. __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

01-27-2010, 03:35 PM	#46
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,382	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! At the local show here, you can sell or buy anything while in line to get in. You do have to hand them your Unloaded weapon to be tiestrapped and you cannot have any ammo on you. I have been known to just put the clip or bullets in my pocket. I'm not about to walk out of there with my new toy and go into the huge parking lot full of who knows who without being loaded. Lately I just keep my gun concealed and dont tell them. By the way, if you do have loaded weapons or clips they will unload them and keep the bullets and you cant get them back. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

01-30-2010, 12:10 PM	#47
chuckusaret V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Palm Beach County Florida Posts: 66	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! The shows here in West Palm Beach Florida don't restrict the sales indoors but do frown on parking lot sales. My big problem with recent shows is that they have evolved into flea markets. I don't pay to look at pots and pans, I pay to look at, and occasion, buy weapons. I complained to the past shows promoter, claims I was the only person to complain. Fine I no longer take family to the monthly show. That is a loss of 8 paid admissions ($64)

01-30-2010, 04:22 PM	#48
Redhand Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 607	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! At the last and I do mean LAST gunshows I've attended the lines stretched out into the parking lots, so would sales in those lines be OK?

02-01-2010, 07:28 AM	#50
Oldeyes V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 218	Re: Gun show hypocrisy at it's finest!!!! I think that Redhand nailed it when he asked, "Would not the event organizer incur some liability concerning any prohibited or illegal activity inside or outside the building including the parking lot?" Unfortunately we still live in an increasingly litigation oriented society and as such tort law oriented lawsuits almost always draw in all of the folks associated with a specific occurrence, especially those with the deepest pockets. In the situation of leased space for a gun show event which is generally legally inclusive of a portion of the parking lot used for the venue, the civil lawsuit would undoubtedly include the property owning lessor, the gun show promoting lessee, as well as all of the actual individual 'actors' involved in the gun related legal problem. Thus, it behooves all involved in putting on gun shows to attempt to restrict all firearms transactions to a theoretically more controlled environment which exists within the walls of the show. And should some type of liability arise out of administratively prohibited parking lot gun transactions which do occur, those involved as lessor and lessee can set forth in their court defense all of their good faith efforts to prevent such transactions as set forth and agreed to as administratively prohibited transactions in the executed agreement between the lessor and lessee. That unfortunately is the legal world in which we live.