Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read - The Firearms Forum

45nut · 02-12-2010, 10:02 AM

Coming from the guy that says question everything, yesterday's hatchet job on Texas gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina was totally unexpected. I have been a fan of Glenn for a long time and I was angry and puzzled about this "interview" after the fact.

Part of the transcript:

GLENN: Okay. The question was tell me about you. Who are you?

MEDINA: Registered Nurse, grassroots activist, 20 years in Republican Party, grassroots politics from south Texas, businesswoman, wife, mother, rancher, farmer, grew up on a farm, learned the value of hard work early, married, two kids.

GLENN: What did you you say small business person. What did you do in small business?

CALLER: I'm a Registered Nurse. I worked in and around corporate healthcare since 1984, private for profit healthcare. I opened a small business in Wharton which is a town of about 12,000 people just southwest of Houston, Texas. I do medical billing and consulting for a living. My clients are physicians and ambulance services, insurance companies and attorneys looking at the pricing, revenue, payment of healthcare as well as quality issues. So still actively practicing Registered Nurse in the State of Texas.

GLENN: Why is your what are your policies? I mean, what do you say, this is what we've got to do right now?

MEDINA: Oh, I say that we've got to understand first what protects freedom and what destroys it. And I believe that the two essential elements of freedom are private property ownership and gun ownership. They are as essential to freedom as air and water are to life. We don't own our property in Texas. We've got one of the highest property tax rates in the country and we've had tremendous abuse of eminent domain under Governor Perry's leadership. I'm sure you've heard about the trans Texas corridor, the NAFTA superhighway, but there's others. There's lots of disrespect and disregard. I think even the border, the immigration issue, the illegal immigration issue bubbles up into private property rights. That land along the Texas border is someone's farm or ranch. It is private property. And you cannot trespass on someone else's property. Come through the gate, the legal port of entry. So we've got to restore private property ownership in Texas. We need to eliminate property taxes here.

GLENN: I have when I said that I was going to have you on, you can't imagine the mail pro and con that I received. There was a theme that ran against you and that is you are a 9/11 Truther.

MEDINA: Well, there's lots of mud that people would like to throw at Debra Medina and make stick. The truth is I'm an everyday ordinary person. I am fighting for the things that our founders fought for, those very basic principles of a constitutional republic, and I'm going to champion people that hold their government accountable, hold me accountable but that's the first time I've heard that accusation. So that's an interesting one.

GLENN: Right. Here's then let me be more frank and ask you the question: Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?

MEDINA: I don't, I don't have all of the evidence there, Glenn. So I don't I'm not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I've not taken a position on that. (referring to the 911 Commission report and the redacted info per her radio in the afternoon)

GLENN: I think the people of America might think that might be a yes. (Glenn speaks for America now?)

MEDINA: Well

GLENN: Do you have advisors, do you have advisor

MEDINA: I'm not going to take a position.

GLENN: That's fine.

MEDINA: These questions have been raised and they are not answered.

GLENN: Do you have advisors that advise you or people that are around you that are 9/11 Truthers?

MEDINA: Not to my knowledge.

GLENN: Would you, if you found out that there were, would you disavow them like the president should have but I mean, he escorted them out in the middle of the night. Van Jones was a 9/11 Truther. If you found out that people around you are advising you were 9/11 Truthers, would you disavow them or allow them to continue to advise you?

MEDINA: Well, you know, that's a federal issue. We're very focused on issues in Texas, on Texas state government. I'm certainly not into mind control or thought policing people.

GLENN: No, that's a pretty big one.

MEDINA: We've got a very diverse team in this state and that's because Texans are standing shoulder to shoulder to support and defend the Constitution. I frankly don't have time, you know, to go through and do psychological testing on people and know every thought or detail that they have.

GLENN: No, I don't think it's psychological at all.

MEDINA: I don't see us having a team of radical individuals, if you will. I think that there are certainly some that are looking, trying to use scare tactics. I you know, are there people?

GLENN: No, I don't think they're scare tactics. Debra, you've answered the question.

MEDINA: Yeah, are there people that have tried to come and be a part of our team

GLENN: Right.

MEDINA: that have not gotten on the team? Absolutely there are. But I can't

GLENN: Yeah, I understand. Debra, you've answered the question.

MEDINA: You know, I don't know. That's so out of context, it's difficult for me to answer.

GLENN: There's

MEDINA: I think it would depend on, you know, how vocal they were about that and how much I thought it colored whatever other talent they brought to the table.

GLENN: Yeah. Okay, Debra, thank you very much. I appreciate it and best of luck to you.

MEDINA: Thank you, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. Bye bye. I think

PAT: Problematic?

GLENN: While I don't endorse anyone

PAT: Problematic?

GLENN: I think I can write her off the list. Let me take another look at Kay Bailey Hutchinson if I have to. Rick, I think you and I could French kiss right now.

PAT: Let me tell you something. He's a damn handsome man.

GLENN: He's a damn handsome man.

PAT: Looks good in a pair of jeans.

GLENN: Wow.

PAT: He's a handsome man.

GLENN: Wow. The fastest way back to 4%.

Her response from her website:

by Debra Medina on Feb 11, 2010

I was asked a question on the Glenn Beck show today regarding my thoughts on the so-called 9/11 truth movement. I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way. No one can deny that the events on 9/11 were a tragedy for all Americans and especially those families who lost loved ones.

The question surprised me because it's not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans. This campaign has always been about private property rights and state sovereignty. It is focused on the issues facing Texans. It is not a vehicle for the 9-11 truth movement or any other group.

The real underlying question here, though, is whether or not people have the right to question our government. I think the fact that people are even asking questions on this level gets to the incredible distrust career politicians have fostered by so clearly taking their direction from special interests instead of the people, whether it's Rick Perry and his HPV mandate or Kay Hutchison and voting for the bank bailout. It is absolutely the right and duty of a free people to question their government. Texas does not need another politician who tells you what you want to hear, then violates your liberties and steals your property anyway. I fully expect to be questioned and to be held accountable as Governor, and that's the underlying issue here: should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be.

So my question is, (just so you know Beck's sidekick is good friends with Perry), did Rick Perry set up Medina, because in the entire camaign, this has never come up until she gets to be a threat to the good ol boys then she gets blindsided by Perry's pal on national radio.

Beck lost a lot of respect in my eyes. Question everything? You bet. I will question everything that comes out of Beck's mouth from now on.

graehaven · 02-12-2010, 10:33 AM

This too enraged me as well. His take and position on this one (very large) issue is what I think really ticked off Alex Jones, and caused him to paint Beck as a patsy for the "behind the scenes" elite. I disagree with that extreme too.

I don't think Alex is right all the time, but he is MUCH of the time, just like I don't always agree with Glenn either - but I do with much that he says. I just think he's wrong on it. On so many other things, Glenn is right on. It took him a while to come around on a lot of it though - and he's not quite made it all the way yet - because the conclusions are far too frightening.

He doesn't see the plausible position that there are people high up in the government that are just plain evil. Discarding that outright is just WRONG and naive, on one hand, on the other, it's stupid.

There ARE still many unanswered questions about that day (9/11), and there are things that the government glossed over or just wouldn't address. Not to mention the huge amount of raw video footage of that day that points to a whole bunch of red flags.

I don't know much about her, but, I wish her the best in the race. She's gotta be better than the other two - she's not a politician.

45nut · 02-12-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

She's gotta be better than the other two - she's not a politician.

My point exactly, she's not a politician and wants to clean up Texas the right way. For the first time in my life, I contributed to a Texas Governors campaign, Debra Medina's.

keepitlow · 02-12-2010, 11:18 AM

Look, GB is all about $$. He is just a poor alcoholic making $23 million a year.

Same with O'Reilly....all about the $$.

Bill Moyers used to have a pretty good show on PBS. But he is retiring. He is the last of the dinosaurs when it comes to fair journalism

Nowadays you must get your journalism from all sources. The TV is biased as well as most newspapers, magazines, etc., .

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http://www.doomers.us/forum2/

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Great podcasts, Download and make CDs and listen to in your car or while cooking if short on time.

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artabr · 02-12-2010, 11:45 AM

"GLENN: Right. Here's then let me be more frank and ask you the question: Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?

MEDINA: I don't, I don't have all of the evidence there, Glenn. So I don't I'm not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I've not taken a position on that. (referring to the 911 Commission report and the redacted info per her radio in the afternoon)"

Sounded like a yes or no question. I didn't hear a no.

Art

navis128 · 02-12-2010, 11:51 AM

I was VERY disappointed in him. He was so rude I was taken aback. I don't always agree with him, but I think it's very hypocritical to have a motto of Question Everything and then slam someone who questions. I didn't know his buddy was Perry's buddy though. Good to know.

I do believe my government played a roll in 9/11, it's called complacency, which allowed it to happen, but I don't think they paid for the lap dances or are making monthly payments to their families.

I believe if we would have abliged them after the Cole, 9/11 would never have happened. Who allows a USS ship of War to be attacked, your people to be killed...and do nothing? To me, that is an unmistakable declaration of WAR.

45nut · 02-12-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by artabr

"GLENN: Right. Here's then let me be more frank and ask you the question: Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?

MEDINA: I don't, I don't have all of the evidence there, Glenn. So I don't I'm not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I've not taken a position on that. (referring to the 911 Commission report and the redacted info per her radio in the afternoon)"

Sounded like a yes or no question. I didn't hear a no.Art

Note the part in bold. She said she had not taken a position. While I agree a simple no would have been best, I think she gave a reasonable answer.

Afterwards and this morning he outright called her a Truther. He's just trying to torpedo her campaign for Perry. She raised $43,000 yesterday and I gave her some $$ this am. F Beck. Question everything? That's all she is doing. Is there something we don't know about 911? Of course. Do I think Fedzilla brought down the Twin Towers? No, I don't (but graehaven does

)

Do I think they knew more than we know? Yes. Personally, I think they had bits and pieces of information, aside from when Osama said they were going to fly planes into buildings, and just couldn't put it all together in time to stop it.

Simple questions does not mean you think the alph.abits planted C-4 and imploded it. I saw the planes hit the buildings. End of story.

Hardballer · 02-12-2010, 02:22 PM

Not Surprised.

Jim K · 02-12-2010, 03:04 PM

I wonder why, if she believes what she said on her web site, she didn't just say that to Beck. She sounded evasive and unsure of what she believed. (Did she even know what he was talking about? Not everyone does.)

The "truthers" are from the same mindset (many are the same people) who conjured up a thousand conspiracy theories around the JFK assassination and who come out of the woodwork every time there is any tragedy from assassination to snowstorm. It is irrelevant whether their ideas have any basis in fact or whether there is any real evidence; evidence will be invented to support the fantasies. The result is a bewildering maze of competing conspiracy theories, each backed by web sites, blogs, pontification on television, letters to the editor, books, pamphlets, etc. If the "truthers" ever got together on a single theory, I might at least consider it; a thousand "truths" is silliness bordering on insanity.

What happens is that after that kind of a tragedy, some folks conjure up a way to "prove" that their favorite enemy just had to have been involved. Facts, or even logic, are not allowed to intrude. So the JFK killing was blamed on such unlikely villains as the Pope, the Boy Scouts, and the NRA. Chávez blaming the U.S. for the Haitian earthquake is another case in point.

And of course, the idea of Jewish or Mossad involvement in 9/11 came from Al Qaeda and has been promoted and financed by Arabs and Arab money, something the "truthers" choose to ignore.

Jim

tcox4freedom · 02-12-2010, 03:11 PM

That sounded like an Obama interview to me. She was giving him the run around just like people in the administration do. If she can't take a side in the "truther" idiocy, she definitely does not have the ability to be governor.

She may not be a politician, but she sure sounds like one.

navis128 · 02-12-2010, 03:20 PM

You unnastan of course that she's concentrating on our State, right? She is running for Governor, not Congress or Senate. I think she's been a bit too busy to worry about that right now. She is more concentrated on States Rights.

And since she's not running as a candidate for YOUR state, we'll decide, K? Thanks...

'preciatcha.

45nut · 02-15-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tcox4freedom

That sounded like an Obama interview to me. She was giving him the run around just like people in the administration do. If she can't take a side in the "truther" idiocy, she definitely does not have the ability to be governor.

She may not be a politician, but she sure sounds like one.

Actually, she was referring to the 911 Commission's report. You know, the same one that Sarah Palin said should be looked at and investigated again. So, where's all the truther BS about Palin? She's not one just like Medina's not one. If Beck says Question with Boldness, why is it wrong to question the investigation into 911? When was the last time our government told us the truth without a gun being held to it's head? Not in my life time.

Palin video here

graehaven · 02-15-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tcox4freedom

That sounded like an Obama interview to me. She was giving him the run around just like people in the administration do. If she can't take a side in the "truther" idiocy, she definitely does not have the ability to be governor.

She may not be a politician, but she sure sounds like one.

If you don't question some of the things in the report, then, you haven't done your homework.

Let me bottom line it for you and anyone else who hasn't thought it through...

Five SEAL teams could NOT have pulled off what supposedly 19 towel headed zealots could? Really? No, really? You really expect me to believe that they had NO help?

Again, do your homework.

You don't want to believe that your government isn't capable of allowing this, even helping it? Ok. Enjoy your future train ride, to the camp.

Airdale · 02-15-2010, 02:03 PM

I'm sorry guys but I heard the interview and the woman was extremly evasive at best and a total nut at worst. Glen explained why he asked the question and gave her every opportunity to explain her position.

That being said, if someone wants to align themselves with the Rosies of the world, be my guest.

Oh, by the way, I was really hoping she would be a breath of fresh air, with fresh ideas. In other words I wanted to like her. After she got through expaining (reading a script) who she was I had my doubts and it went downhill from there.

45nut · 02-17-2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Airdale

I'm sorry guys but I heard the interview and the woman was extremly evasive at best and a total nut at worst. Glen explained why he asked the question and gave her every opportunity to explain her position.

That being said, if someone wants to align themselves with the Rosies of the world, be my guest.

Oh, by the way, I was really hoping she would be a breath of fresh air, with fresh ideas. In other words I wanted to like her. After she got through expaining (reading a script) who she was I had my doubts and it went downhill from there.

So, how do you explain this video from Beck's TV show where he says he has questions about 911 too? Is he a truther then as well??

Give me a freaking break. Lookie here Glenn has more questions and Debra is a nutjob??

graehaven · 02-17-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

So, how do you explain this video from Beck's TV show where he says he has questions about 911 too? Is he a truther then as well??

Give me a freaking break. Lookie here Glenn has more questions and Debra is a nutjob??

Unfortunately, on this issue, he wants to play it both ways.

For the rest of the folks out there who would rather deny than seek truth, you're pathetically naive. Sorry, but that's just the truth.

The same people at the top of the power structure - you know, the ones you detest so much right now and want to throw out of office for spending us into oblivion and for taking away our freedoms - you know - CONGRESS?
They're the same ones who are telling you the 9/11 answers.

Hmmmmmmmmm. You'll believe them on THAT (when there is ample evidence and live witness accounts that suggest otherwise) and dismiss dissent patently, but you'll question them on their other behavior?

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS EITHER!!!!

Airdale · 02-18-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

So, how do you explain this video from Beck's TV show where he says he has questions about 911 too? Is he a truther then as well??

Give me a freaking break. Lookie here Glenn has more questions and Debra is a nutjob??

I was addressing only the woman's responses. She, after all, is the one running for office not Glen. I found her performance poor in all aspects not just her response to one question. Based on her responses were I a citizen of the great state of Texas would she recieve my vote? NO! But hey, that is just my opinion if yours is otherwise, as I said, be my guest.

02-12-2010, 10:02 AM	#1
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read Coming from the guy that says question everything, yesterday's hatchet job on Texas gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina was totally unexpected. I have been a fan of Glenn for a long time and I was angry and puzzled about this "interview" after the fact. Part of the transcript: GLENN: Okay. The question was tell me about you. Who are you? MEDINA: Registered Nurse, grassroots activist, 20 years in Republican Party, grassroots politics from south Texas, businesswoman, wife, mother, rancher, farmer, grew up on a farm, learned the value of hard work early, married, two kids. GLENN: What did you you say small business person. What did you do in small business? CALLER: I'm a Registered Nurse. I worked in and around corporate healthcare since 1984, private for profit healthcare. I opened a small business in Wharton which is a town of about 12,000 people just southwest of Houston, Texas. I do medical billing and consulting for a living. My clients are physicians and ambulance services, insurance companies and attorneys looking at the pricing, revenue, payment of healthcare as well as quality issues. So still actively practicing Registered Nurse in the State of Texas. GLENN: Why is your what are your policies? I mean, what do you say, this is what we've got to do right now? MEDINA: Oh, I say that we've got to understand first what protects freedom and what destroys it. And I believe that the two essential elements of freedom are private property ownership and gun ownership. They are as essential to freedom as air and water are to life. We don't own our property in Texas. We've got one of the highest property tax rates in the country and we've had tremendous abuse of eminent domain under Governor Perry's leadership. I'm sure you've heard about the trans Texas corridor, the NAFTA superhighway, but there's others. There's lots of disrespect and disregard. I think even the border, the immigration issue, the illegal immigration issue bubbles up into private property rights. That land along the Texas border is someone's farm or ranch. It is private property. And you cannot trespass on someone else's property. Come through the gate, the legal port of entry. So we've got to restore private property ownership in Texas. We need to eliminate property taxes here. GLENN: I have when I said that I was going to have you on, you can't imagine the mail pro and con that I received. There was a theme that ran against you and that is you are a 9/11 Truther. MEDINA: Well, there's lots of mud that people would like to throw at Debra Medina and make stick. The truth is I'm an everyday ordinary person. I am fighting for the things that our founders fought for, those very basic principles of a constitutional republic, and I'm going to champion people that hold their government accountable, hold me accountable but that's the first time I've heard that accusation. So that's an interesting one. GLENN: Right. Here's then let me be more frank and ask you the question: Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11? MEDINA: I don't, I don't have all of the evidence there, Glenn. So I don't I'm not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I've not taken a position on that. (referring to the 911 Commission report and the redacted info per her radio in the afternoon) GLENN: I think the people of America might think that might be a yes. (Glenn speaks for America now?) MEDINA: Well GLENN: Do you have advisors, do you have advisor MEDINA: I'm not going to take a position. GLENN: That's fine. MEDINA: These questions have been raised and they are not answered. GLENN: Do you have advisors that advise you or people that are around you that are 9/11 Truthers? MEDINA: Not to my knowledge. GLENN: Would you, if you found out that there were, would you disavow them like the president should have but I mean, he escorted them out in the middle of the night. Van Jones was a 9/11 Truther. If you found out that people around you are advising you were 9/11 Truthers, would you disavow them or allow them to continue to advise you? MEDINA: Well, you know, that's a federal issue. We're very focused on issues in Texas, on Texas state government. I'm certainly not into mind control or thought policing people. GLENN: No, that's a pretty big one. MEDINA: We've got a very diverse team in this state and that's because Texans are standing shoulder to shoulder to support and defend the Constitution. I frankly don't have time, you know, to go through and do psychological testing on people and know every thought or detail that they have. GLENN: No, I don't think it's psychological at all. MEDINA: I don't see us having a team of radical individuals, if you will. I think that there are certainly some that are looking, trying to use scare tactics. I you know, are there people? GLENN: No, I don't think they're scare tactics. Debra, you've answered the question. MEDINA: Yeah, are there people that have tried to come and be a part of our team GLENN: Right. MEDINA: that have not gotten on the team? Absolutely there are. But I can't GLENN: Yeah, I understand. Debra, you've answered the question. MEDINA: You know, I don't know. That's so out of context, it's difficult for me to answer. GLENN: There's MEDINA: I think it would depend on, you know, how vocal they were about that and how much I thought it colored whatever other talent they brought to the table. GLENN: Yeah. Okay, Debra, thank you very much. I appreciate it and best of luck to you. MEDINA: Thank you, Glenn. GLENN: You bet. Bye bye. I think PAT: Problematic? GLENN: While I don't endorse anyone PAT: Problematic? GLENN: I think I can write her off the list. Let me take another look at Kay Bailey Hutchinson if I have to. Rick, I think you and I could French kiss right now. PAT: Let me tell you something. He's a damn handsome man. GLENN: He's a damn handsome man. PAT: Looks good in a pair of jeans. GLENN: Wow. PAT: He's a handsome man. GLENN: Wow. The fastest way back to 4%. Her response from her website: by Debra Medina on Feb 11, 2010 I was asked a question on the Glenn Beck show today regarding my thoughts on the so-called 9/11 truth movement. I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way. No one can deny that the events on 9/11 were a tragedy for all Americans and especially those families who lost loved ones. The question surprised me because it's not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans. This campaign has always been about private property rights and state sovereignty. It is focused on the issues facing Texans. It is not a vehicle for the 9-11 truth movement or any other group. The real underlying question here, though, is whether or not people have the right to question our government. I think the fact that people are even asking questions on this level gets to the incredible distrust career politicians have fostered by so clearly taking their direction from special interests instead of the people, whether it's Rick Perry and his HPV mandate or Kay Hutchison and voting for the bank bailout. It is absolutely the right and duty of a free people to question their government. Texas does not need another politician who tells you what you want to hear, then violates your liberties and steals your property anyway. I fully expect to be questioned and to be held accountable as Governor, and that's the underlying issue here: should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be. So my question is, (just so you know Beck's sidekick is good friends with Perry), did Rick Perry set up Medina, because in the entire camaign, this has never come up until she gets to be a threat to the good ol boys then she gets blindsided by Perry's pal on national radio. Beck lost a lot of respect in my eyes. Question everything? You bet. I will question everything that comes out of Beck's mouth from now on. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* --> Last edited by 45nut; 02-12-2010 at 10:06 AM..

02-12-2010, 10:33 AM	#2
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,854	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read This too enraged me as well. His take and position on this one (very large) issue is what I think really ticked off Alex Jones, and caused him to paint Beck as a patsy for the "behind the scenes" elite. I disagree with that extreme too. I don't think Alex is right all the time, but he is MUCH of the time, just like I don't always agree with Glenn either - but I do with much that he says. I just think he's wrong on it. On so many other things, Glenn is right on. It took him a while to come around on a lot of it though - and he's not quite made it all the way yet - because the conclusions are far too frightening. He doesn't see the plausible position that there are people high up in the government that are just plain evil. Discarding that outright is just WRONG and naive, on one hand, on the other, it's stupid. There ARE still many unanswered questions about that day (9/11), and there are things that the government glossed over or just wouldn't address. Not to mention the huge amount of raw video footage of that day that points to a whole bunch of red flags. I don't know much about her, but, I wish her the best in the race. She's gotta be better than the other two - she's not a politician. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

02-12-2010, 11:18 AM	#4
keepitlow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US Posts: 164	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read Look, GB is all about $$. He is just a poor alcoholic making $23 million a year. Same with O'Reilly....all about the $$. Bill Moyers used to have a pretty good show on PBS. But he is retiring. He is the last of the dinosaurs when it comes to fair journalism Nowadays you must get your journalism from all sources. The TV is biased as well as most newspapers, magazines, etc., . Here are some sites for keeping track on what is going on http://www.doomers.us/forum2/ http://www.politicalforum.com/ http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/ Great podcasts, Download and make CDs and listen to in your car or while cooking if short on time. http://www.preparedsociety.com/forum/ http://www.metrofarm.com/mf_Food_Chain_Radio.php Another great podcast source. http://peakoil.com/forum.html http://www.whenshtf.com/index.php Banned me for s short time. They did not like what I posted about religion. Too many religious devotees 'confuse faith with fact' it seems. No room for delusional thinking nowadays as our world is decomposing before our very eyes...I wont lie to you. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/ Never would let me join the forum. Full of sales garbage and hard to navigate through...but offers some gems if you dig through the mess. http://www.ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=10 Mostly a bunch of 'know it all' knuckleheads with AR's. But some good stuff here and there. http://motherjones.com/ http://www.libertyaholic.com/ http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/vb/index.php Another Christian based site that banned me when I critiqued the delusional religions most people get sucked into. Still, lots of good 'how to' info. http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/ http://neithercorp.us/npress/ http://dailyreckoning.com/ http://www.survivalblog.com/ Last edited by keepitlow; 02-16-2010 at 07:42 AM..

02-12-2010, 11:45 AM	#5
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read "GLENN: Right. Here's then let me be more frank and ask you the question: Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11? MEDINA: I don't, I don't have all of the evidence there, Glenn. So I don't I'm not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I've not taken a position on that. (referring to the 911 Commission report and the redacted info per her radio in the afternoon)" Sounded like a yes or no question. I didn't hear a no. Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!!

02-12-2010, 11:51 AM	#6
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read I was VERY disappointed in him. He was so rude I was taken aback. I don't always agree with him, but I think it's very hypocritical to have a motto of Question Everything and then slam someone who questions. I didn't know his buddy was Perry's buddy though. Good to know. I do believe my government played a roll in 9/11, it's called complacency, which allowed it to happen, but I don't think they paid for the lap dances or are making monthly payments to their families. I believe if we would have abliged them after the Cole, 9/11 would never have happened. Who allows a USS ship of War to be attacked, your people to be killed...and do nothing? To me, that is an unmistakable declaration of WAR. __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence Last edited by navis128; 02-12-2010 at 11:52 AM..

02-12-2010, 02:22 PM	#8
Hardballer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Smack dab in da middle Posts: 471	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read Not Surprised.

02-12-2010, 03:04 PM	#9
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read I wonder why, if she believes what she said on her web site, she didn't just say that to Beck. She sounded evasive and unsure of what she believed. (Did she even know what he was talking about? Not everyone does.) The "truthers" are from the same mindset (many are the same people) who conjured up a thousand conspiracy theories around the JFK assassination and who come out of the woodwork every time there is any tragedy from assassination to snowstorm. It is irrelevant whether their ideas have any basis in fact or whether there is any real evidence; evidence will be invented to support the fantasies. The result is a bewildering maze of competing conspiracy theories, each backed by web sites, blogs, pontification on television, letters to the editor, books, pamphlets, etc. If the "truthers" ever got together on a single theory, I might at least consider it; a thousand "truths" is silliness bordering on insanity. What happens is that after that kind of a tragedy, some folks conjure up a way to "prove" that their favorite enemy just had to have been involved. Facts, or even logic, are not allowed to intrude. So the JFK killing was blamed on such unlikely villains as the Pope, the Boy Scouts, and the NRA. Chávez blaming the U.S. for the Haitian earthquake is another case in point. And of course, the idea of Jewish or Mossad involvement in 9/11 came from Al Qaeda and has been promoted and financed by Arabs and Arab money, something the "truthers" choose to ignore. Jim Last edited by Jim K; 02-12-2010 at 03:30 PM..

02-12-2010, 03:11 PM	#10
tcox4freedom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 944	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read That sounded like an Obama interview to me. She was giving him the run around just like people in the administration do. If she can't take a side in the "truther" idiocy, she definitely does not have the ability to be governor. She may not be a politician, but she sure sounds like one.

02-12-2010, 03:20 PM	#11
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read You unnastan of course that she's concentrating on our State, right? She is running for Governor, not Congress or Senate. I think she's been a bit too busy to worry about that right now. She is more concentrated on States Rights. And since she's not running as a candidate for YOUR state, we'll decide, K? Thanks... 'preciatcha. __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence Last edited by navis128; 02-12-2010 at 03:23 PM..

02-15-2010, 02:03 PM	#14
Airdale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: N.W. Arkansas Contributor Posts: 756	Re: Disappointed in Glenn Beck - long read I'm sorry guys but I heard the interview and the woman was extremly evasive at best and a total nut at worst. Glen explained why he asked the question and gave her every opportunity to explain her position. That being said, if someone wants to align themselves with the Rosies of the world, be my guest. Oh, by the way, I was really hoping she would be a breath of fresh air, with fresh ideas. In other words I wanted to like her. After she got through expaining (reading a script) who she was I had my doubts and it went downhill from there. __________________ "The Utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of the wealth] and a community of goods [central ownership of the means of production and distribution], are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the crown.[These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional." Samuel Adams Last edited by Airdale; 02-15-2010 at 02:17 PM..