Obama Healthcare & Being Anti-Gun - The Firearms Forum

hogger129 · 02-25-2010, 05:03 PM

I am just wondering what exactly in Obama's proposed health care legislation is anti-gun? I really just want to know for myself. I do not want his legislation to pass even if it's just "free" health care - because it would just be another burden on the taxpayer - but I especially don't want it to pass if it is anti-gun in any way. I want to tell other people about it too. Could somebody be more specific and point it out to me? Thanks.

Eddie N · 02-25-2010, 05:10 PM

It's classified super-super secret. Not even he knows.

wpage · 02-26-2010, 07:08 AM

They should option this to offer it to people who have no insurance.

bcj1755 · 02-26-2010, 10:07 AM

It's not the fact that it's openly anti-gun, per se. Its' the fact that some of the wording can be twisted around by the gov't to restrict people's ownership of firearms. Such as the stipulation that everyone MUST have gov't approved insurance under penalty of fine levied by the IRS (i.e., a tax) or prison, but that the gov't run medicare-type program can be denied to someone who lives a "dangerous lifestyle." And who decides what a "dangerous" lifestyle is? Kathrine Seblius, that's who. And remember, she's very anti-gun. There's also the part that would allow ANY gov't agency to go trolling through your medical records at any time and without your permission. That includes ATF. Nevada Harry even admitted that there was the possibility for trampling on people's 2nd Amendment rights in the Senate bill, so he had some "firearms protection" lines added as a sop to try and get support for it. But the main thing is that this bill will give the feds invasive control over the very minutae of our lives, and once they have that kind of control, they WILL want more.

Just say NO to AdolfCare.

red14 · 02-26-2010, 11:43 AM

""the main thing is that this bill will give the feds invasive control over the very minutae of our lives, and once they have that kind of control, they WILL want more.

some of the wording can be twisted around by the gov't to restrict people's ownership of firearms""

These two sentences sum up your fears. It is all about CONTROL!

02-25-2010, 05:03 PM	#1
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Obama Healthcare & Being Anti-Gun I am just wondering what exactly in Obama's proposed health care legislation is anti-gun? I really just want to know for myself. I do not want his legislation to pass even if it's just "free" health care - because it would just be another burden on the taxpayer - but I especially don't want it to pass if it is anti-gun in any way. I want to tell other people about it too. Could somebody be more specific and point it out to me? Thanks. --> Last edited by hogger129; 02-25-2010 at 05:04 PM..

02-25-2010, 05:10 PM	#2
Eddie N Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Contributor Posts: 1,192	Re: Obama Healthcare & Being Anti-Gun It's classified super-super secret. Not even he knows.

02-26-2010, 07:08 AM	#3
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: Obama Healthcare & Being Anti-Gun They should option this to offer it to people who have no insurance. __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W

02-26-2010, 10:07 AM	#4
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: Obama Healthcare & Being Anti-Gun It's not the fact that it's openly anti-gun, per se. Its' the fact that some of the wording can be twisted around by the gov't to restrict people's ownership of firearms. Such as the stipulation that everyone MUST have gov't approved insurance under penalty of fine levied by the IRS (i.e., a tax) or prison, but that the gov't run medicare-type program can be denied to someone who lives a "dangerous lifestyle." And who decides what a "dangerous" lifestyle is? Kathrine Seblius, that's who. And remember, she's very anti-gun. There's also the part that would allow ANY gov't agency to go trolling through your medical records at any time and without your permission. That includes ATF. Nevada Harry even admitted that there was the possibility for trampling on people's 2nd Amendment rights in the Senate bill, so he had some "firearms protection" lines added as a sop to try and get support for it. But the main thing is that this bill will give the feds invasive control over the very minutae of our lives, and once they have that kind of control, they WILL want more. Just say NO to AdolfCare. __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

02-26-2010, 11:43 AM	#5
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,916	Re: Obama Healthcare & Being Anti-Gun ""the main thing is that this bill will give the feds invasive control over the very minutae of our lives, and once they have that kind of control, they WILL want more. some of the wording can be twisted around by the gov't to restrict people's ownership of firearms"" These two sentences sum up your fears. It is all about CONTROL! __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.