Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change?

45nut · 03-09-2010, 12:33 PM

Had a hard time deciding which forum to post this in and decided this was the better spot.

When I read the news and see Obozo about to make new restrictive laws on fishing (putting 1 million folks out of work) and the DNC pushing so hard to pass Obozo's Nazi healthcare plan with 87% of Americans against it, Sarah Palin supporting Rick Perry??WTF?? and politicians trying their darndest to totally subvert and negate the US Constitution, are we at this point yet?

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

Do you think we are past the tipping point where the ballot box isn't going to be able to make the required changes to save our country? I sincerely desire to make changes within the system provided but are we in time and do enough of The People know how close we are to despotism?

Give me some hope folks!!

Deputy Dawg · 03-09-2010, 12:50 PM

I think we are headng that direction really fast. How many people will really put there life on the line for what they believe in.I wish that at election time enough imformed people would come out and vote and if the person in office is doing his or her own thing and not the will of the poeple then vote them out of office. I now that is only a dream and it wil most likely never happen because there are too many SHEEPLE living in this country.

JohnTheCalifornian · 03-09-2010, 01:06 PM

I dont like the way things are going. If it comes down to the scenario where the people throw out the old government and replace it with a new one, just who would they put in charge? The problem we have now is our elected represenatives are not representing our wishes, but rather the wishes of whom ever will line their pockets with money. Until we put a stop to that, we will never truly have represenatives that do the will of the people. Ousting the current government sounds like our only option. But before that can happen we MUST have honorable people to fill the ranks. Which at this time, I do not believe there is.

Trouble 45-70 · 03-09-2010, 01:10 PM

That is something isn't it? Destroy jobs and make it impossible or illegal to live off the land. Then there is the possibility of doubling or tripling of cost of energy and therefor everything. The time may be fast approaching.

armedandsafe · 03-09-2010, 01:31 PM

The poll tax was found to be unconstitutional. Now they want to fine you for not buying government sponsored insurance.

OK, let's turn that around just a bit. Let's fine those who are eligible to vote but don't do so. If you don't include proof of having voted in a federal election with your 1040, you get fined. I wonder how much of a howl that would set up. hmmmmm

Pops

ckill1 · 03-09-2010, 03:59 PM

Pops that is a FINE idea! Went to my first Tea Party last week & brought up voter apathy as the cause of the pickle we are in. I said we can demonize the Left all we want but it was OUR responsibility as citizens to put honest, thoughtful people of character in power & we failed to do so. When was the last time over 20% of eligible citizens voted in a Presidential election? Anyone know?

Chris

45nut · 03-09-2010, 04:01 PM

We seriously need to start a movement to repeal the 17th Amendment and go back to the State Legislatures appointing Senators. That was a major break from what our Founding Father's intent.

Terry_P · 03-09-2010, 04:44 PM

The lid will come off when Obozo makes all the illegals citizens thereby insuring his re-election particularily if healthcare gets rammed thru on budget reconciliation.

jack404 · 03-09-2010, 06:01 PM

I am not advocating civil war , but do think its time the people rose up as one and marched on government to explain that they need and demand a change , that the laws of your nation allow this and that any attempt to stop this is dictatorship as writen in your constitution

These people are not the "we the people" as stated in that great document that is the foundation of your nation

they are out for thier own cause that is against the "people" that the constitution endorses as the ones in charge of the nation

the current crop of world leaders seem to disregard thier population with regularity and feel it is thier right to do so

but under your laws they have no right to disregard the population but the population has the right to reject them ( and the obligation to do so !) and to replace them and create a new government that will do what the population wishes

and yes i agee with Pops regarding voting , but be careful with that too

in Australia they made votiong complusary the look what we ended up with

a system whereby the ruling parties can manipulate the votes to thier will so it does not represent the wish of the people but results in the peoples votes being funneled to those who PAY for them

think i'm kidding, look up Australian electoral law under wiki

and Terry P is also correct

making illegals "citizens" only give the powers that be a extra support level that out guns the population , same as what happened here

all these things where done to Australia some years ago and enforces the idea i have that we where a test case for the takeing over of the USA by the UN backed powers

good luck and God Bless you all

jack

hogger129 · 03-09-2010, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45nut

Had a hard time deciding which forum to post this in and decided this was the better spot.

When I read the news and see Obozo about to make new restrictive laws on fishing (putting 1 million folks out of work) and the DNC pushing so hard to pass Obozo's Nazi healthcare plan with 87% of Americans against it, Sarah Palin supporting Rick Perry??WTF?? and politicians trying their darndest to totally subvert and negate the US Constitution, are we at this point yet?

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

Do you think we are past the tipping point where the ballot box isn't going to be able to make the required changes to save our country? I sincerely desire to make changes within the system provided but are we in time and do enough of The People know how close we are to despotism?

Give me some hope folks!!

I think we're going down that road in a big hurry.

GoodOl'12gauge · 03-09-2010, 07:21 PM

I wont say I advocate it, but I will say im not against it. Just my 2 cents

cycloneman · 03-09-2010, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45nut

Do you think we are past the tipping point where the ballot box isn't going to be able to make the required changes to save our country? ?

Yes. Here is why. They don't care if they loose seats. They have something up their sleeves. These people are back crap crazy.

Look at the past year and a half. Look at all the issues attacking america, not saluting or raising his hand to the national anthem. How he treated our allies. How he has treated you and me and toyota. The double standards, and lies.

I keep remembering how he gave up the eastern block. I also keep remembering how Putan recently rewrote history praising Stallin for killing 29 million in the ukrane.

I dont know how but i dont think there will be elections in November. Or maybe even anymore. Why is it so hard to realize we woke up in china this morning? We think we can fix this by voting next time. Been thinking that for 30 years now. I not being fooled anymore.

cycloneman · 03-09-2010, 10:05 PM

Let me also say this to those how have eyes to see and ears to hear. If by chance there is a change and you are able to make money again. Do not fall into the typical American dream of owning a nice big house in some fancy neighborhood. Don't live outside of your means. Look instead to live simple and in a small house in rual areas away from the city. Something easy to heat and cool. What will happen has been written in the bible. If not now then soon enough.

petesusn · 03-10-2010, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cycloneman

Yes. Here is why. They don't care if they loose seats. They have something up their sleeves. These people are back crap crazy.

Look at the past year and a half. Look at all the issues attacking america, not saluting or raising his hand to the national anthem. How he treated our allies. How he has treated you and me and toyota. The double standards, and lies.

I keep remembering how he gave up the eastern block. I also keep remembering how Putan recently rewrote history praising Stallin for killing 29 million in the ukrane.

I dont know how but i dont think there will be elections in November. Or maybe even anymore. Why is it so hard to realize we woke up in china this morning? We think we can fix this by voting next time. Been thinking that for 30 years now. I not being fooled anymore.

Well said cycloneman. I totally agree. And don't forget about Obozo bowing down and showing submissivenss to other nations leaders. You may be right about the November elections but I hope to God that you are wrong.

Trouble 45-70 · 03-10-2010, 10:26 AM

If there are no elections there is going to be trouble at the closed poles. We could have 60-70% turnout if they close the poles. Me for one and if necessary I will be armed. It happened in Tenn. after WW I and will happen again if needed all over the country.

carver · 03-10-2010, 12:06 PM

Last September almost 2 million people marched on D.C. This September how many will be there? If everyone that is fed up with all this crap would take the time, spend a little of their hard earned money, and we should happen to have 5 - 10 million folks show up .................? How much are you really fed up? Will you be there with me, and my wife? I say this: If you can't be bothered by going to D.C. this september, then will you take up arms if needed? I don't think so! Members, put your money where your mouth is! I challenge you all to make the trip. Go by buss, by car, fly, just get there any way you can! Bum a ride! How much do you want to see Real Change?

Haligan · 03-10-2010, 02:13 PM

The article, posted march 7th 2010, further down at this site, addresses this question. I do not condone, nor do I condemn the sentiments of this article. It merely addresses this question.

http://www.theheartlandusa.com/

obxned · 03-10-2010, 03:02 PM

We are at the exact point, and if the health scam passes, we are passed the point of peacefully saving our constitutional form of government.

Big ugly · 03-10-2010, 04:28 PM

Fineing those of us who dont vote is a decent Idea but it is not goin to be the answer. The reason most eligible voters dont vote is becouse of the indevidules that are placed on the ballot. Think about it, When was the last time there was a true honest to goodness politician in up fer election that actually did his job by the book and not by his ideals. We need a major downsize in government. We are handing out too much money to these politicians who are out for themselves and their agenda. The political elite in this nation are well off to begin with, the job as a politician was never ment for the blueblood to gain to become more elite. It was ment for the common man to have representaion. It is not like that now and hasnt been since the Federal Reserve was inacted. I would like to go back in time and place a hit on ole Rockefeller and his band of bluebloods there on Jeckyll Island when they decided it was in the best if they turned the US government into a money makeing corperation instead of REPUBLIC that is was supposed to be. The problem with a Republic is that there is no room for a politician to become rich, thus the lean towards Democracy. Now the money flow is not great enough so the Democratic way is not working. In Socialism the money goes directley into the government for distribution. The policians line their pockets FIRST then what is left over gets turned into the economy and social programs, SSI, Welfare,ETC.

hogger129 · 03-10-2010, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carver

Last September almost 2 million people marched on D.C. This September how many will be there? If everyone that is fed up with all this crap would take the time, spend a little of their hard earned money, and we should happen to have 5 - 10 million folks show up .................? How much are you really fed up? Will you be there with me, and my wife? I say this: If you can't be bothered by going to D.C. this september, then will you take up arms if needed? I don't think so! Members, put your money where your mouth is! I challenge you all to make the trip. Go by buss, by car, fly, just get there any way you can! Bum a ride! How much do you want to see Real Change?

I'll go. I'll bring my friends with me who are also fed up with Obama.

BobMcG · 03-14-2010, 09:01 AM

"Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change?"

Quite likely millions are pondering this question. Also quite likely is that a great many of those same people feel the answer is yes but are afraid enough of this government to say so, to say nothing of putting it in print.

Scary, ha? The thought that many citizens are deathly afraid of "their" government.

Not the America I grew up in to be sure.

cycloneman · 03-14-2010, 09:30 AM

accept it we woke up in china. now what we gona do about it?

Trouble 45-70 · 03-14-2010, 11:34 AM

What BobMcG said.

EddieS1967 · 03-14-2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry_P

The lid will come off when Obozo makes all the illegals citizens thereby insuring his re-election particularily if healthcare gets rammed thru on budget reconciliation.

Hopefully, but, i am beginning to doubt if this is even enough to wake people up

chuckusaret · 03-14-2010, 04:50 PM

Quote:

I am not advocating civil war , but do think its time the people rose up as one and marched on government to explain that they need and demand a change , that the laws of your nation allow this and that any attempt to stop this is dictatorship as writen in your constitution

I believe we are alot closer to a civil war than most people think. The production of self defense handguns/rifles/shotguns and ammo are at an all time high and still not able to keep up with the demand. It is not uncommon to find that the average gun owner now has stockpiled 1,000's of rounds of ammo just in case the SHTF.. I am ready are you?

03-09-2010, 12:33 PM	#1
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? Had a hard time deciding which forum to post this in and decided this was the better spot. When I read the news and see Obozo about to make new restrictive laws on fishing (putting 1 million folks out of work) and the DNC pushing so hard to pass Obozo's Nazi healthcare plan with 87% of Americans against it, Sarah Palin supporting Rick Perry??WTF?? and politicians trying their darndest to totally subvert and negate the US Constitution, are we at this point yet? That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Do you think we are past the tipping point where the ballot box isn't going to be able to make the required changes to save our country? I sincerely desire to make changes within the system provided but are we in time and do enough of The People know how close we are to despotism? Give me some hope folks!! __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* -->

03-09-2010, 12:50 PM	#2
Deputy Dawg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Central Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 2,229	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? I think we are headng that direction really fast. How many people will really put there life on the line for what they believe in.I wish that at election time enough imformed people would come out and vote and if the person in office is doing his or her own thing and not the will of the poeple then vote them out of office. I now that is only a dream and it wil most likely never happen because there are too many SHEEPLE living in this country. __________________ LOCK and LOAD................................... GOD, GUNS,GUTS the three that keep us FREE!!!!

03-09-2010, 01:06 PM	#3
JohnTheCalifornian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 431	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? I dont like the way things are going. If it comes down to the scenario where the people throw out the old government and replace it with a new one, just who would they put in charge? The problem we have now is our elected represenatives are not representing our wishes, but rather the wishes of whom ever will line their pockets with money. Until we put a stop to that, we will never truly have represenatives that do the will of the people. Ousting the current government sounds like our only option. But before that can happen we MUST have honorable people to fill the ranks. Which at this time, I do not believe there is. __________________ Im not a complete idiot.... parts are missing

03-09-2010, 01:10 PM	#4
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? That is something isn't it? Destroy jobs and make it impossible or illegal to live off the land. Then there is the possibility of doubling or tripling of cost of energy and therefor everything. The time may be fast approaching. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

03-09-2010, 01:31 PM	#5
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? The poll tax was found to be unconstitutional. Now they want to fine you for not buying government sponsored insurance. OK, let's turn that around just a bit. Let's fine those who are eligible to vote but don't do so. If you don't include proof of having voted in a federal election with your 1040, you get fined. I wonder how much of a howl that would set up. hmmmmm Pops

03-09-2010, 03:59 PM	#6
ckill1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SW Iowa Posts: 299	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? Pops that is a FINE idea! Went to my first Tea Party last week & brought up voter apathy as the cause of the pickle we are in. I said we can demonize the Left all we want but it was OUR responsibility as citizens to put honest, thoughtful people of character in power & we failed to do so. When was the last time over 20% of eligible citizens voted in a Presidential election? Anyone know? Chris __________________ People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

03-09-2010, 04:01 PM	#7
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? We seriously need to start a movement to repeal the 17th Amendment and go back to the State Legislatures appointing Senators. That was a major break from what our Founding Father's intent. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

03-09-2010, 04:44 PM	#8
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? The lid will come off when Obozo makes all the illegals citizens thereby insuring his re-election particularily if healthcare gets rammed thru on budget reconciliation. __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

03-09-2010, 06:01 PM	#9
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? I am not advocating civil war , but do think its time the people rose up as one and marched on government to explain that they need and demand a change , that the laws of your nation allow this and that any attempt to stop this is dictatorship as writen in your constitution These people are not the "we the people" as stated in that great document that is the foundation of your nation they are out for thier own cause that is against the "people" that the constitution endorses as the ones in charge of the nation the current crop of world leaders seem to disregard thier population with regularity and feel it is thier right to do so but under your laws they have no right to disregard the population but the population has the right to reject them ( and the obligation to do so !) and to replace them and create a new government that will do what the population wishes and yes i agee with Pops regarding voting , but be careful with that too in Australia they made votiong complusary the look what we ended up with a system whereby the ruling parties can manipulate the votes to thier will so it does not represent the wish of the people but results in the peoples votes being funneled to those who PAY for them think i'm kidding, look up Australian electoral law under wiki and Terry P is also correct making illegals "citizens" only give the powers that be a extra support level that out guns the population , same as what happened here all these things where done to Australia some years ago and enforces the idea i have that we where a test case for the takeing over of the USA by the UN backed powers good luck and God Bless you all jack Last edited by jack404; 03-09-2010 at 06:04 PM..

03-09-2010, 07:21 PM	#11
GoodOl'12gauge V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 258	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? I wont say I advocate it, but I will say im not against it. Just my 2 cents

03-09-2010, 10:05 PM	#13
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,397	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? Let me also say this to those how have eyes to see and ears to hear. If by chance there is a change and you are able to make money again. Do not fall into the typical American dream of owning a nice big house in some fancy neighborhood. Don't live outside of your means. Look instead to live simple and in a small house in rual areas away from the city. Something easy to heat and cool. What will happen has been written in the bible. If not now then soon enough. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

03-10-2010, 10:26 AM	#15
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? If there are no elections there is going to be trouble at the closed poles. We could have 60-70% turnout if they close the poles. Me for one and if necessary I will be armed. It happened in Tenn. after WW I and will happen again if needed all over the country. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

03-10-2010, 12:06 PM	#16
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,220	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? Last September almost 2 million people marched on D.C. This September how many will be there? If everyone that is fed up with all this crap would take the time, spend a little of their hard earned money, and we should happen to have 5 - 10 million folks show up .................? How much are you really fed up? Will you be there with me, and my wife? I say this: If you can't be bothered by going to D.C. this september, then will you take up arms if needed? I don't think so! Members, put your money where your mouth is! I challenge you all to make the trip. Go by buss, by car, fly, just get there any way you can! Bum a ride! How much do you want to see Real Change? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

03-10-2010, 02:13 PM	#17
Haligan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: FEMA Region II Posts: 1,900	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? The article, posted march 7th 2010, further down at this site, addresses this question. I do not condone, nor do I condemn the sentiments of this article. It merely addresses this question. http://www.theheartlandusa.com/ __________________ "He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falshoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

03-10-2010, 03:02 PM	#18
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? We are at the exact point, and if the health scam passes, we are passed the point of peacefully saving our constitutional form of government. __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

03-10-2010, 04:28 PM	#19
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? Fineing those of us who dont vote is a decent Idea but it is not goin to be the answer. The reason most eligible voters dont vote is becouse of the indevidules that are placed on the ballot. Think about it, When was the last time there was a true honest to goodness politician in up fer election that actually did his job by the book and not by his ideals. We need a major downsize in government. We are handing out too much money to these politicians who are out for themselves and their agenda. The political elite in this nation are well off to begin with, the job as a politician was never ment for the blueblood to gain to become more elite. It was ment for the common man to have representaion. It is not like that now and hasnt been since the Federal Reserve was inacted. I would like to go back in time and place a hit on ole Rockefeller and his band of bluebloods there on Jeckyll Island when they decided it was in the best if they turned the US government into a money makeing corperation instead of REPUBLIC that is was supposed to be. The problem with a Republic is that there is no room for a politician to become rich, thus the lean towards Democracy. Now the money flow is not great enough so the Democratic way is not working. In Socialism the money goes directley into the government for distribution. The policians line their pockets FIRST then what is left over gets turned into the economy and social programs, SSI, Welfare,ETC. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

03-14-2010, 09:01 AM	#21
BobMcG Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Twilight Zone. Contributor Posts: 1,119	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? "Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change?" Quite likely millions are pondering this question. Also quite likely is that a great many of those same people feel the answer is yes but are afraid enough of this government to say so, to say nothing of putting it in print. Scary, ha? The thought that many citizens are deathly afraid of "their" government. Not the America I grew up in to be sure.

03-14-2010, 09:30 AM	#22
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,397	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? accept it we woke up in china. now what we gona do about it? __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

03-14-2010, 11:34 AM	#23
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change? What BobMcG said. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.