Rig & Run ???? - The Firearms Forum

AL MOUNT · 03-17-2010, 09:04 AM

Yer a smart bunch....

Can anybody tell me what the military term "Rig & Run" refers to ??

petesusn · 03-17-2010, 09:12 AM

Could you mean "rig to run"?

AL MOUNT · 03-17-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by petesusn

Could you mean "rig to run"?

Nope

petesusn · 03-17-2010, 09:27 AM

I can find plenty on "rig to run" and "runrig" and "rigrun" but nothing on "rig and run". It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes up with something.

AL MOUNT · 03-17-2010, 09:38 AM

I'll give ya a hint, cuz it is kinda an obscure term.

Ask a Paratrooper....

Snakedriver · 03-17-2010, 09:55 AM

My guess is that the engineers would rig the explosives to blow, pull the igniter on the det. cord and then run like hell.

If it's a paratrooper term though, it must have something to do with chute rigging.

petesusn · 03-17-2010, 11:00 AM

O.K. One more try.
The entire parachute is called a rig and run (running) is when a canopy is flying with the ambient wind giving the maximum ground speed. I just can't put them together.

dianalv · 03-17-2010, 12:40 PM

If we're all just guessing here, and it's a military term, I would guess it means when you get sudden orders and you don't have time to check your equipment, as all parachuters are supposed to do before a jump. Grab your rig and run.

Or not.

Bobitis · 03-17-2010, 06:14 PM

As an avid fisherman my 1st thought was, rig up your gear before you run up the river. That way your ready when you get there.

The paratrooper hint leaves me with only one suggestion.

When deploying, you get up and attach a clip/cord attached to the chute to another cable. Run out the back end of the plane, and the cord opens the chute automatically. Yeah it's over simplified.

Am I close?

petesusn · 03-19-2010, 10:47 AM

C'mon Al what IS the answer?

red14 · 03-19-2010, 10:59 AM

Obamalamadingdong???

dianalv · 03-19-2010, 11:04 AM

I change my guess to Bobitus' guess. I like his better than mine.

Do we get a prize if we're right?

CampingJosh · 03-19-2010, 11:22 AM

I think Bobitis got it there.

Old Grump · 03-19-2010, 04:35 PM

Old naval term for square rigged ships. They had more but smaller sails and a full rigged ship could double its speed over a conventional rigged ship with Lateen or Bermuda rigs. A square rigged ship could be handled with a smaller crew and rig and run was the giddy up and go boys, we are going to chase some bad guys..........or run from them. Guess what kind of books I have been reading lately.

Bobitis · 03-19-2010, 04:47 PM

Thanks Grumpy, that was cool.

petesusn · 03-20-2010, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Grump

Old naval term for square rigged ships. They had more but smaller sails and a full rigged ship could double its speed over a conventional rigged ship with Lateen or Bermuda rigs. A square rigged ship could be handled with a smaller crew and rig and run was the giddy up and go boys, we are going to chase some bad guys..........or run from them. Guess what kind of books I have been reading lately.

Al..."I'll give ya a hint, cuz it is kinda an obscure term.

Ask a Paratrooper...."

Why ask a paratrooper about sailing ships. Al, you must have a different answer to this. The curiosity level is pretty high on this one.

AL MOUNT · 03-25-2010, 12:08 PM

I'm sorry it took so long to get back to everybody.

Busy since past Sat.

OK here ya go.

During the 2nd week of jump school you jump the 250' tower.

If you notice the ring around the bottom the frame that holds the chute in place in the pic above.

The guys on the ground that are waiting to jump or the ones that all ready have,

are directed by the "Black Hats" to get the next chute rigged to be pulled back up.

there are little mechanical levers all around the ring that hold the chute open
to catch the air,

just as if you just came out the plane door.

So you have to run around the ring and rig the chute with the little levers so the next guy can be pulled up.

The instructors, Black Hats, are shouting at you to "Rig and Run", cuz nobody walks anywhere in jump scool, you run...

Now that wasn't so hard was it....

Each tower has 4 arms, but you can never use more that 3... WHY...

red14 · 03-25-2010, 12:12 PM

Cause Soldiers can't count that high?

ofitg · 03-25-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by red14

Cause Soldiers can't count that high?

Arrrr, that's a good one !

AL MOUNT · 03-25-2010, 12:27 PM

I'll tell before ya give yerself a "Brain Cramp"...

If you would jump from the 1 arm that is pointing in the direction

that the wind is coming from..... it would blow you back into the tower...

.... not good....

Bobitis · 03-25-2010, 12:41 PM

What if it's the swirling kinda wind we get around here?

I like my answer better. Grumpy's was the best.

This looks too much like a carnival ride.

03-17-2010, 09:04 AM	#1
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03-17-2010, 09:12 AM	#2
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03-17-2010, 09:27 AM	#4
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Rig & Run ???? I can find plenty on "rig to run" and "runrig" and "rigrun" but nothing on "rig and run". It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes up with something. __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

03-17-2010, 09:38 AM	#5
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Re: Rig & Run ???? I'll give ya a hint, cuz it is kinda an obscure term. Ask a Paratrooper.... __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

03-17-2010, 09:55 AM	#6
Snakedriver Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SW. Florida Posts: 1,219	Re: Rig & Run ???? My guess is that the engineers would rig the explosives to blow, pull the igniter on the det. cord and then run like hell. If it's a paratrooper term though, it must have something to do with chute rigging. __________________ Fear is a reaction..........Courage is a decision Last edited by Snakedriver; 03-17-2010 at 09:57 AM..

03-17-2010, 11:00 AM	#7
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Rig & Run ???? O.K. One more try. The entire parachute is called a rig and run (running) is when a canopy is flying with the ambient wind giving the maximum ground speed. I just can't put them together. __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member Last edited by petesusn; 03-17-2010 at 11:01 AM..

03-17-2010, 12:40 PM	#8
dianalv Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,160	Re: Rig & Run ???? If we're all just guessing here, and it's a military term, I would guess it means when you get sudden orders and you don't have time to check your equipment, as all parachuters are supposed to do before a jump. Grab your rig and run. Or not.

03-17-2010, 06:14 PM	#9
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Rig & Run ???? As an avid fisherman my 1st thought was, rig up your gear before you run up the river. That way your ready when you get there. The paratrooper hint leaves me with only one suggestion. When deploying, you get up and attach a clip/cord attached to the chute to another cable. Run out the back end of the plane, and the cord opens the chute automatically. Yeah it's over simplified. Am I close? __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

03-19-2010, 10:47 AM	#10
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Rig & Run ???? C'mon Al what IS the answer? __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

03-19-2010, 10:59 AM	#11
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,913	Re: Rig & Run ???? Obamalamadingdong??? __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.

03-19-2010, 11:04 AM	#12
dianalv Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,160	Re: Rig & Run ???? I change my guess to Bobitus' guess. I like his better than mine. Do we get a prize if we're right?

03-19-2010, 11:22 AM	#13
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,787	Re: Rig & Run ???? I think Bobitis got it there. __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.

03-19-2010, 04:35 PM	#14
Old Grump Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Little hut in the woods near Blue River Wisconsin Posts: 2,286	Re: Rig & Run ???? Old naval term for square rigged ships. They had more but smaller sails and a full rigged ship could double its speed over a conventional rigged ship with Lateen or Bermuda rigs. A square rigged ship could be handled with a smaller crew and rig and run was the giddy up and go boys, we are going to chase some bad guys..........or run from them. Guess what kind of books I have been reading lately. __________________ "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson Roman Catholic, Life Member of American Legion, VFW, Wisconsin Libertarian party, Wi-FORCE, WGO, NRA, JPFO, GOA, SAFand CCRKBA Last edited by Old Grump; 03-19-2010 at 04:36 PM..

03-19-2010, 04:47 PM	#15
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Rig & Run ???? Thanks Grumpy, that was cool. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

03-25-2010, 12:08 PM	#17
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Re: Rig & Run ???? I'm sorry it took so long to get back to everybody. Busy since past Sat. OK here ya go. During the 2nd week of jump school you jump the 250' tower. If you notice the ring around the bottom the frame that holds the chute in place in the pic above. The guys on the ground that are waiting to jump or the ones that all ready have, are directed by the "Black Hats" to get the next chute rigged to be pulled back up. there are little mechanical levers all around the ring that hold the chute open to catch the air, just as if you just came out the plane door. So you have to run around the ring and rig the chute with the little levers so the next guy can be pulled up. The instructors, Black Hats, are shouting at you to "Rig and Run", cuz nobody walks anywhere in jump scool, you *run... Now that wasn't so hard was it.... Each tower has 4 arms, but you can never use more that 3... WHY*... __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

03-25-2010, 12:12 PM	#18
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,913	Re: Rig & Run ???? Cause Soldiers can't count that high? __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.

03-25-2010, 12:27 PM	#20
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Re: Rig & Run ???? I'll tell before ya give yerself a "Brain Cramp"... If you would jump from the 1 arm that is pointing in the direction that the wind is coming from..... it would blow you back into the tower... .... not good.... __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

03-25-2010, 12:41 PM	#21
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Rig & Run ???? What if it's the swirling kinda wind we get around here? I like my answer better. Grumpy's was the best. This looks too much like a carnival ride. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all