7.65x53 rifles - The Firearms Forum

Lee C. · 04-12-2010, 04:43 AM

My son bought a 7.65x53 1891 Argentine mauser bolt action rifle this last week end at the gun show. I've been on the compture looking for any info i can fine on it for reloading. But not doing to good so fare. Dose any one know where to look for a reloading book of some kind for it. Or dose any one have one and is reloading for it. Thanks for any help any one can give me.

Alpo · 04-12-2010, 08:41 AM

http://www.chuckhawks.com/7-65x53_7-65x53R.htm

http://members.nuvox.net/~on.melchar...ser/index.html

http://www.loaddata.com/members/sear...loading%20Data

http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

Also, there are loads for three jacketed and two cast bullets in Lyman's #47 manual. I presume they will be in the new one, also.

JLA · 04-12-2010, 07:59 PM

The ol' argentine mauser... There are some good load tables for it listed in Lymans 48th and 49th. youll find it smack between the 7.62X54R and the .303 brit. Ballistics are on par with light .308 loads...

zkovach · 04-12-2010, 08:04 PM

the new hornady book has data for it.

Lee C. · 04-13-2010, 02:34 AM

Thanks guys for all the help, I found some info on the places you said to look Alpo. And i'll get ahold of the other books and look at them also. Thanks agine guys.

warriflefan · 11-06-2011, 04:24 PM

Remember to watch your pressures, the 1891 didn't have a pressure release port hole drilled.

Bindernut · 11-06-2011, 05:12 PM

Besides the online sources that Alpo listed, also check the Hodgdon's Powder Online Manual.
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
In the manuals that I've got on hand...Hornady, Sierra, and Lyman all have data for the 7.65x53. It's roughly equivalent to the .303Brit in velocity and power (and like mild .308 loads like JLA posted).

Also heed warriflefans's warning about not loading too heavy for a '91 Mauser.
A pierced primer in a '91 action will vent the gas straight back through the bolt and you'll get peppered in the face. I always stuck with loads at least 100fps below the listed maximuns just for an extra safety margin.

If the rifle has a good clean bore and still groups accurately, it'll make a fine deer rifle.
I had better luck with 174gr RN bullets rather than 150gr SPs in the couple '91s that I've had in the past...the '91 has a 1-10" twist and a fairly long leade (distance from the case mouth to the beginning of the rifling).
I've still got an '09 Argentine that shoots better with 150gr...but as rough and pitted as the bore is I'm surprised it groups at all. I had always intended to use it for a rebarrel project but haven't got to that yet.

N99780 · 01-07-2013, 04:41 PM

All good info. I also use The Hornady and Lyman books. 48-50 gr of IMR 4350 is excellent on Whitetails in my 1909 Argentine. Heed the precautions about shooting the 1891 and similar action'd rifles, keep your pressure and velocity a bit lower, just adjust your sights and "Hold-over" to compensate for bullet drop if you are using the supplied open sights. I've also used the Hornady 150g factory ammo and some of the Privi Partisan 180g ammo (at about half the price). The Hornady ammo is one of the very few that is loaded with 150g bullets, but it's packed in PPU (Prvi) cases, So I'm guessing it's a proprietary load made just for Hornady. The 1909 action can take just about anything you care to load, within reason and good sense. I bagged an 8 pt just this past weekend with mine.. For reloading, search for Hornady #3120, .312 dia, 150 gr. Also Sierra also makes .311 dia. bullets in 125, 150 and 180 grain projectiles. Consult the above mentioned publications for loading data, but generally speaking (very generally) the lighter the bullet, the faster the powder you can utilize without running into pressure issues. I wouldn't hesitate at all to take this one on any hunt here in Texas. Mine groups right at 1 inch with the occasional flyer, but that's probably ME, not any fault of the rifle. This round is as good as any to learn about reloading, if you're not already doing so. Resized 30-06 brass, trimmed, works very well.

04-12-2010, 04:43 AM	#1
Lee C. V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Antigo Wi. Posts: 255	7.65x53 rifles My son bought a 7.65x53 1891 Argentine mauser bolt action rifle this last week end at the gun show. I've been on the compture looking for any info i can fine on it for reloading. But not doing to good so fare. Dose any one know where to look for a reloading book of some kind for it. Or dose any one have one and is reloading for it. Thanks for any help any one can give me. -->

04-12-2010, 08:41 AM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: 7.65x53 rifles http://www.chuckhawks.com/7-65x53_7-65x53R.htm http://members.nuvox.net/~on.melchar...ser/index.html http://www.loaddata.com/members/sear...loading%20Data http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source= Also, there are loads for three jacketed and two cast bullets in Lyman's #47 manual. I presume they will be in the new one, also. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies. Last edited by Alpo; 04-12-2010 at 08:43 AM..

04-13-2010, 02:34 AM	#5
Lee C. V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Antigo Wi. Posts: 255	Re: 7.65x53 rifles Thanks guys for all the help, I found some info on the places you said to look Alpo. And i'll get ahold of the other books and look at them also. Thanks agine guys.

11-06-2011, 04:24 PM	#6
warriflefan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Meadow Vista, CA Posts: 239	Re: 7.65x53 rifles Remember to watch your pressures, the 1891 didn't have a pressure release port hole drilled. __________________ "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244) "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." (Thomas Jefferson)

11-06-2011, 05:12 PM	#7
Bindernut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ND, USA Posts: 2,453	Re: 7.65x53 rifles Besides the online sources that Alpo listed, also check the Hodgdon's Powder Online Manual. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp In the manuals that I've got on hand...Hornady, Sierra, and Lyman all have data for the 7.65x53. It's roughly equivalent to the .303Brit in velocity and power (and like mild .308 loads like JLA posted). Also heed warriflefans's warning about not loading too heavy for a '91 Mauser. A pierced primer in a '91 action will vent the gas straight back through the bolt and you'll get peppered in the face. I always stuck with loads at least 100fps below the listed maximuns just for an extra safety margin. If the rifle has a good clean bore and still groups accurately, it'll make a fine deer rifle. I had better luck with 174gr RN bullets rather than 150gr SPs in the couple '91s that I've had in the past...the '91 has a 1-10" twist and a fairly long leade (distance from the case mouth to the beginning of the rifling). I've still got an '09 Argentine that shoots better with 150gr...but as rough and pitted as the bore is I'm surprised it groups at all. I had always intended to use it for a rebarrel project but haven't got to that yet.

04-12-2010, 07:59 PM	#3
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: 7.65x53 rifles The ol' argentine mauser... There are some good load tables for it listed in Lymans 48th and 49th. youll find it smack between the 7.62X54R and the .303 brit. Ballistics are on par with light .308 loads... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

04-12-2010, 08:04 PM	#4
zkovach Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,005	Re: 7.65x53 rifles the new hornady book has data for it.

01-07-2013, 04:41 PM	#8
N99780 Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3	Re: 7.65x53 rifles All good info. I also use The Hornady and Lyman books. 48-50 gr of IMR 4350 is excellent on Whitetails in my 1909 Argentine. Heed the precautions about shooting the 1891 and similar action'd rifles, keep your pressure and velocity a bit lower, just adjust your sights and "Hold-over" to compensate for bullet drop if you are using the supplied open sights. I've also used the Hornady 150g factory ammo and some of the Privi Partisan 180g ammo (at about half the price). The Hornady ammo is one of the very few that is loaded with 150g bullets, but it's packed in PPU (Prvi) cases, So I'm guessing it's a proprietary load made just for Hornady. The 1909 action can take just about anything you care to load, within reason and good sense. I bagged an 8 pt just this past weekend with mine.. For reloading, search for Hornady #3120, .312 dia, 150 gr. Also Sierra also makes .311 dia. bullets in 125, 150 and 180 grain projectiles. Consult the above mentioned publications for loading data, but generally speaking (very generally) the lighter the bullet, the faster the powder you can utilize without running into pressure issues. I wouldn't hesitate at all to take this one on any hunt here in Texas. Mine groups right at 1 inch with the occasional flyer, but that's probably ME, not any fault of the rifle. This round is as good as any to learn about reloading, if you're not already doing so. Resized 30-06 brass, trimmed, works very well.