Gang defense and tactics

[whymememe]

Motion activated IR camera outside might help id the perp. It's like the type, deer hunters use.

[jeffadaklin]

Several quick things- one, someone mentioned the judge in CA telling the jury to ignore the first two of the thug's 3-strikes- it's just like DC, Chicago, the Supreme Court ordered them to allow gunownership, and all they did was make you jump thru so many hoops no one could either afford or find the time to do so.

Around here people are pushing to treat gang members as terrorists, we figure if there are 3-4 thugs, attacking innocent people, they are in essence a terrorist group, and could- should- beprosecuted under the Homeland Security Act- doesn;t require all that evidence and judges have to act more- appropriately.

Finally libs know exactly what they're doing. There are just too, too many examples of places that have outlawed guns, and that resulted in huge increases in violent crimes. It is simply unbelievable to think libs don't realize that. Now the question is- since they MUST know the consequences, why do they still insist on it?
The primary reason for always electing conservatives is the judges they appoint. If a lib appoints one you can bet he does not 'defend and support the Constitution of the United States' as he takes the oath to do.

[The Duke]

Its a damn shame we have to live in fear of the street thugs and imported terrorist in this the greatest county on earth.

Fortunately, as Carver, my neighborhood is rural and mostly crime free...There are denizens in some areas of town that could nut-up and start something, but the police and sheriff have let it be known that it aient gonna happen...

Just because I happen to reside in a quiet location doesnt mean Im not prepared for the worst..I think you got the right ideas to make preperations in advance and not wring your hands after something happens to you or your family...

My "go-to" guns are a Springfield XD .45ACP with tac light, Mossburg 930 12 ga, 00 buck, tac light and a SW AR when things get really bad....

I thought at one time, adding a night vision scope on the Mossburg would be simply ideal for a home and property protection piece, short of landmines and booby traps.....



Sometimes even the best ideas dont turn out so well...The scope is an ATN 360 Paladin..1st gen...Works well enough out to about 100 yards, but mounted on my shotgun..NO WAY...It is far too heavy and makes the shotgun unwieldy....I quickly took it off and went with the light...I dont think you need the strobe, just another thing to think about...but to each his own..

[whymememe]

Weatherby

[Wolf 5.7]

We are getting some meth heads, and white kid wanna be gangers in my area. And a few shadey hispanics (not the guys that are at home depot trying to make a better life for their family, but the ones that are hanging out till 3 AM in groups). Most of them I think I could drop barehanded. No I'm not the next Chuck Norris, but they are so scrawny and pathetic that they are not worthy of a bullet.

With that being said, if multiple assailants tried to enter my home, and threatened to harm me in my bedroom (Stupid NC does not have the castle law). I would use my FNP-45 or 5.7. If it really got ugly, I have my trusty SKS.

[Inthewind1976]

1. Liberals done CARE if gun control increases crime, because it makes law abiding people victims, and victims want "more government" in order to protect them. More government is the cornerstone of liberal politics.

2. The use of the US military against US citizens, EVEN IF THEY ARE A CRIMINAL STREET GANG is completely and totally inappropriate. PERIOD. "Just let Patton and the armored cav wipe the gang bangers all out" is a great sentiment, but its WRONG; just plain wrong. The US military should never, EVER, be employed to address any domestic situation, period. The concept of utilizing the military, even if you wanna label gangs as "terrorists" is a dangerous precedent. IMHO even the governor(s) utilizing the state national guard in this capacity is out of the question. I know saying this isnt gonna be popular, but its still TRUE.

There are three big problems, nation wide, and in Chicago in particular, that have lead to this situation; first of all, the disarmament of the citizens; secondly, the number of crooked LEO's that line their pockets by tipping off drug trafficers; and lastly, chief(s) of police, mayors, and governors who are nothing but liberal political bosses, who dont CARE if the problems are actually solved, as long as they keep their offices, power, and control of the citizens.

[carver]

Originally Posted by The Duke

Its a damn shame we have to live in fear of the street thugs and imported terrorist in this the greatest county on earth.

Fortunately, as Carver, my neighborhood is rural and mostly crime free...There are denizens in some areas of town that could nut-up and start something, but the police and sheriff have let it be known that it aient gonna happen...

Just because I happen to reside in a quiet location doesnt mean Im not prepared for the worst..I think you got the right ideas to make preperations in advance and not wring your hands after something happens to you or your family...

My "go-to" guns are a Springfield XD .45ACP with tac light, Mossburg 930 12 ga, 00 buck, tac light and a SW AR when things get really bad....

I thought at one time, adding a night vision scope on the Mossburg would be simply ideal for a home and property protection piece, short of landmines and booby traps.....

Sometimes even the best ideas dont turn out so well...The scope is an ATN 360 Paladin..1st gen...Works well enough out to about 100 yards, but mounted on my shotgun..NO WAY...It is far too heavy and makes the shotgun unwieldy....I quickly took it off and went with the light...I dont think you need the strobe, just another thing to think about...but to each his own..

I like the idea of the night scope, wish I could afford one! Anything enters my yard, and the dogs tell me about it! When I go to the door:

[Dennis C]

I moved away from Philadelphia about 5 years ago specifically for this reason. To much crime and I refused to let my kids go to school in that terrible school district.

Even still, my .357 is always loaded and ready to go!

[rustyfugger]

Originally Posted by raven818

When in your car at red light, stay back at least one car length, always and everywhere. If you can see the side of your car in your door mirror, it's turned too close to the car. If someone jumps in front of your car with a gun, run over them.

Always park under a light when shopping at night. Back into a parking spot if available. When coming back to the car, if not armed, have longest key sticking out between your index finger and middle finger. Go for the eyes or the dimple at the bottom of the neck. Keep doors locked at all times.

I have a CCL so I always have a gun on my side, even @ home. There is a 6-1/2" fixed blade hunting knife in a sheath (unsnapped) wedged between my seat & center console. I can jerk it out in a second. Yes I practice. I also practice shooting, & drawing the weapon. When you are in an unfamilure area, you have to keep your guard up.

[permafrost]

I hate to trot out the old conspiracy stuff, but wouldn't Chicago be the perfect place to get people used to seeing troops in the streets in the false believe that they are there to "protect" them? I'm just sayin'....

[jeffadaklin]

I've mentioned this before, but now 'rustyf..' reminded me of it. Even a good, strong tact. flashlight can be really helpful. Guy on another forum said his wife had noticed a homeless type guy eyeing his wife when he picked her up at work- a strpi-mall, at 11 at night. One night the homeless dude decided to get gutsy, apparently, and as the wife walked across the parking lot he started walking towards her, but the husband shined a good 200+ lumen light right in his eyes- the BG turned around and walked away really fast. Gotta figure he thought it might be a cop, but whatever the reason, it kept hubby from having to pull his pistol; so I keep that in mind, and my wife and daughter- and I- both have good strong f'lights on them at all times. They are also armed, but...

[jeffadaklin]

InTheWind, first of all I hope you didn't think I was saying we should use troops re: charging gangs with terrorist laws, I certainly agree troops should not be used in domestic situations. I just meant prosecutors should use the Homeland Security LAWS to prosecute gangs - domestically.
I completely agree with your take on liberal politicians, I'm afraid it's the primary concern of 95% of the Federal Congress-members as well.
Finally, I guess you've heard by now NC just expanded their Castle Doctrine law, it's much more lenient on the use of guns in self-defense. Good news for youse guys.

[whirley]

Finally libs know exactly what they're doing. There are just too, too many examples of places that have outlawed guns, and that resulted in huge increases in violent crimes. It is simply unbelievable to think libs don't realize that. Now the question is- since they MUST know the consequences, why do they still insist on it?

You realize of course, with an unarmed population, crime goes up, therefore more police MUST be hired to "protect the people" The police will investigate crimes, but are too busy so we need more police to keep the criminals in check. That's how the Brown Shirts and Gestapo began. Unarmed people are just sheep to be shorn! What's that line from Casablanca,....Arrest the usual suspects!

[jeffadaklin]

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Jefferson
The same guy said
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
So many other quotes from the Founders, another big one for me is the people who stand by and say nothing when things go wrong, are just as guilty as the wrongdoers...that's a paraphrase, I know, but it's time we started standing up and letting our voices be heard. Not only on guns, but the intrusion of the govt on our freedoms.

[warriflefan]

I would take the insulation out of the walls and replace it with sandbags, at least half way up.

[Inthewind1976]

Jeff; I didnt exactly "take you" to mean you advocate the use of the military domestically, but dont be surprised if ITS COMING, one of these days to a theater (of operation) near you; and the "sheep" will be lining up to support it. City streets, airports, bank lobbies, and the "produce market" will look like TelAviv some day, not too far into the future, IF WE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. And continuing to put the types of people in DC like many; Hell, MOST; of the ones there now, will help insure that it will happen. I know I am preaching to the choir, lol, but hey, it seems as if the choir is the only one listening to us!

[jeffadaklin]

What bothers me is what will come that will RESULT in the military in our streets- the massive riots due to the economy, because the country is out of money and we will have to stop all the transfer payments- at least reduce them. The 48% of America that gets some form of govt check will rise up- and as I've mentioned before some 'experts' say it may come sooner than we think.
And I agree totally- only the choir will listen lol

[whymememe]

There was a nut job,went on a shooting rampage in southeast AL in recent years. All the enforcement agencies in nearby towns got involved as did the military from a nearby installation. All the people were glad to have the military's help, but it was established that this is taboo. The powers that be said the military should not have gotten involved.

[marlin795]

This thread makes my blood boil. The government wants to disarm me to basically let thugs walk the streets unchallenged? Hell no is all I say to that. I maybe not be 21, but I earned my right to carry a handgun and defend myself and my family by serving in the military. Does anyone agree with me? Makes me so mad.

[jeffadaklin]

The NRA is working on a law that makes it possible for veterans under 21 to carry. I support the NRA, and I think everybody who cares about gunownership should, too. They are fighting the UN move to register guns, they're supporting the investigation of Fast and Furious ( and the idea it was done to show Americans should not have firearms) and many other legal issues. I don't work there, have no other connection except being a member.

[marlin795]

^ that would be great. Though I'm not considered a veteran as I didn't serve 2 years. But whatever. I tried and that should count for something. I did go through basic.

[EVERETT]

really what they should do is make it illegal to be involved or in a street gang , also they should develop a street gang task force that would just go from state to sate an round up these low lifes an lock em up or deport all the gang member caught to a random deserted island sumwhere , "kinda like what they did to godzilla (lmao)" an leave them there to rot , also i dont exactly have a plan i keep a few things within reach of there was to be a break in at my home , my 1911 10 round extended mag loaded up with extreme shock copper tactical rounds , also 2 more 10 rounders loaded up , my 500 mag with 5 350 grain hollow points an just incase i have to fire at a vehicle ive got a few 700grain grenade rounds for the 500 also , i just try to observe my seroundings as much as possible an pray nothing ever comes my way ,

[Gun Geezer]

We are spending billions of taxpayers dollars and wasting thousands of young peoples lives to fight terrorism in foreign countries while little or nothing is being done right here at home. Anyone who doesn't think gangs are terrorists needs to get their heads out of their behinds. Gangs now occupy suburbs and small towns because it's safer for them too. There ought to be a bounty on "gangstas"!

If a career criminal commits a crime while out on parole, work release, early release or even while out on bond, the judge who released him and the lawyer or public defender who represented him or her should be required to serve the same sentence as the scumbag. I'll bet that would cure repeat offenders. Lack of accountability takes guilt out of the equation.

[prof_fate]

As long as the 'good' residents of the bad areas don't speak up and turn in the bad ones there won't be any improvements in things.
We had a shooting not long ago in a bad neighborhood - a teen type thug walked into a house party (sweet 16 party) to shoot someone, which he did. But in this case folks spoke up and said "X did it" and X got caught within 12 hours. Problem solved.
In most shootings there may be 10 witnesses but it's all 'we didn't see nuthin'. In that case they get what they deserve - a dangerous area to live in.

Originally Posted by jack404

gangs huh ??

4-5 guys who know what they are doing

couple months training

a silenced MP each

a couple of cars stashed ready to go

3-4 weeks of ops and your gang problem would be solved... oh well

i'd love to be able to pull this off here with our jihadi situation

[raven818]

Originally Posted by jack404 View Post
gangs huh ??

4-5 guys who know what they are doing

couple months training

a silenced MP each

a couple of cars stashed ready to go

3-4 weeks of ops and your gang problem would be solved... oh well

i'd love to be able to pull this off here with our jihadi situation

We certainly have excellent trainers of our own, but should the classes be filled, the police in Rio are experienced, IMO, in dealing with certain types.