Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting

nffritos · 04-29-2010, 10:13 AM

Rep. Mike Reynolds, R-Oklahoma City, asked Shelton if he characterized the Black Panthers as an unauthorized militia. "Are they going around terrorizing communities, doing drive-by shootings, using ammonium nitrate to blow up buildings?” Shelton asked. "When they start doing that, they would be considered (that).”

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Terry_P · 04-29-2010, 05:24 PM

I'm all for getting rid of gangs and this brand of conspiracy conviction isn't a bad idea. Does the US Constitution say "authorized militia's" when they are discussed in the body and in the 2nd amendment?

Old Grump · 04-29-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry_P

I'm all for getting rid of gangs and this brand of conspiracy conviction isn't a bad idea. Does the US Constitution say "authorized militia's" when they are discussed in the body and in the 2nd amendment?

No it doesn't, it doesn't mention illegal guns either but legislators sure see a lot of them and if they can't find them they make them.

Bobitis · 04-29-2010, 06:08 PM

So one person gets to decide what is ok?

Will there be background checks? Registration fees? Firearms records?

And this from a Republican?

I'm goin' to Arizona next time. Oklahoma has lost all its respect from me.
Then again, look where I live.

hogger129 · 04-29-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry_P

I'm all for getting rid of gangs and this brand of conspiracy conviction isn't a bad idea. Does the US Constitution say "authorized militia's" when they are discussed in the body and in the 2nd amendment?

It says militias can exist - but it says "well-regulated" militias. I take that to mean they can exist, but can have lots of rules governing them.

So they are calling militias "gangs?" Is this meant to put away any opposition to government?

Once again, it just seems like more people trying to twist and squeeze the Constitution into their own interpretation.

cycloneman · 04-29-2010, 08:25 PM

Vote him out.

armedandsafe · 04-29-2010, 09:32 PM

Basically, that law says it is illegal to obey Federal Law in Oklahoma. Title 10 says who is a member of the militia of the states. So, if federal law says you are a member of the unorganized militia and Oklahoma law says that makes you an outlaw, what is one to do?

Makes you wonder, eh?

Pops

Lee C. · 04-30-2010, 02:45 AM

They had some big shot from oklahoma on tv last night. They where talking about whats going on in AZ and the new law they just passed about the elegals. When this guy came right out and said oklahona is given the elegals a driver license when they get in that state. It's just unreal whats going on today around this country.

Trouble 45-70 · 04-30-2010, 09:29 AM

Aren't Militias organized with state charters like any other civic organization?

glocknut · 04-30-2010, 11:54 AM

Completely unconstitutional... i would imagine it would be challenged in court allmost imediately?

We do have some jerks in the local government here in oklahoma...that is for sure.

mike
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Marlin T · 04-30-2010, 03:56 PM

Tenche Coxe: "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

04-29-2010, 10:13 AM	#1
nffritos V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: reno Contributor Posts: 322	Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting Rep. Mike Reynolds, R-Oklahoma City, asked Shelton if he characterized the Black Panthers as an unauthorized militia. "Are they going around terrorizing communities, doing drive-by shootings, using ammonium nitrate to blow up buildings?” Shelton asked. "When they start doing that, they would be considered (that).” Read more: http://newsok.com/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-outlawing-militias-and-gang-recruiting/article/3456132#ixzz0mVDMKiNq -->

04-29-2010, 05:24 PM	#2
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting I'm all for getting rid of gangs and this brand of conspiracy conviction isn't a bad idea. Does the US Constitution say "authorized militia's" when they are discussed in the body and in the 2nd amendment? __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

04-29-2010, 06:08 PM	#4
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting So one person gets to decide what is ok? Will there be background checks? Registration fees? Firearms records? And this from a Republican? I'm goin' to Arizona next time. Oklahoma has lost all its respect from me. Then again, look where I live. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

04-29-2010, 08:25 PM	#6
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,397	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting Vote him out. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

04-29-2010, 09:32 PM	#7
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting Basically, that law says it is illegal to obey Federal Law in Oklahoma. Title 10 says who is a member of the militia of the states. So, if federal law says you are a member of the unorganized militia and Oklahoma law says that makes you an outlaw, what is one to do? Makes you wonder, eh? Pops

04-30-2010, 02:45 AM	#8
Lee C. V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Antigo Wi. Posts: 255	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting They had some big shot from oklahoma on tv last night. They where talking about whats going on in AZ and the new law they just passed about the elegals. When this guy came right out and said oklahona is given the elegals a driver license when they get in that state. It's just unreal whats going on today around this country.

04-30-2010, 09:29 AM	#9
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting Aren't Militias organized with state charters like any other civic organization? __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

04-30-2010, 11:54 AM	#10
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting Completely unconstitutional... i would imagine it would be challenged in court allmost imediately? We do have some jerks in the local government here in oklahoma...that is for sure. mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

04-30-2010, 03:56 PM	#11
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Oklahoma House passes bill outlawing militias and gang recruiting Tenche Coxe: "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<