Church Carry? POLL! - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

45nut · 05-15-2010, 12:52 PM

I feel your pain brother. My opinion is this; until the time they post a LEGAL notice that no CCW is allowed, then you can and should continue to carry concealed.

My story: I was on my church's security team comprised of mostly like minded individuals that only want to make sure the congregation is safe from fire, storm, heart attack, broken leg or active shooter. Active shooter is last in this list for a reason. It is the least likely scenario to happen. However, attacks on church congregations are increasing at an alarming rate and I think God gave us enough common sense to take care of certain situations, hence the reference to Jesus asking his disciples if they had any swords.

Well, we had been doing a good job and the Elder's and Pastor decided to vote away the security team's right to exercise their Second Amendment right to carry concealed (for those that are licensed by the State of Texas) and my immediate response was to resign my position. I disarm for no man, period.

The team leader feels exactly the way I do.

I told my Pastor, who is a good friend, that not only was this a foolish decision, but if an active shooter ever did show up, it would cause more innocent blood to be spilled. I told him I was willing and able to stand between him and a bad guy, but not without the ability to protect myself, him and possible to kill the bad guy.

Now, I am no longer on the security team, but I am in the congregation armed, willing and able to eliminate said BG per the team leaders instructions. I guess now I'm on the undercover security team.

Luke 23 says this: 35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Trouble 45-70 · 05-15-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by glocknut

Your church just don't like your XD!!!!!!

See how anoying it is.....

Seriously...tell the pastor you will not be attending his church and that he will no longer be receiving donations from you!
I sat thru a church sermon one time where the preacher preached about how we have to obey the government mandates without question. I flat out told him as i exited the small church that he was full of ****. The look on his face was priceless.
I'm trying to be a christian...but an awfull lot of these church preachers just don't have a clue...

mike
gn

The people of Germany obeyed their Government during WWII. That worked out real well didn't it?

artabr · 05-15-2010, 03:37 PM

A "Church Carry" bill just passed the Louisiana state house on the second vote, IIRC the vote was 74 -18. The bill still has to go before the state senate.

A local paper printed a letter from some pin head who opposed the bill. A very good friend of mine responded with a letter of his own.

This is a thread that I started on that forum. The pin heads letter is linked in the op.

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=36006

Incidentally, just today in fact, that same paper printed an editorial that also opposed the bill.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/opinion/93828384.html

Art

graehaven · 05-20-2010, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45nut

I feel your pain brother. My opinion is this; until the time they post a LEGAL notice that no CCW is allowed, then you can and should continue to carry concealed.

My story: I was on my church's security team comprised of mostly like minded individuals that only want to make sure the congregation is safe from fire, storm, heart attack, broken leg or active shooter. Active shooter is last in this list for a reason. It is the least likely scenario to happen. However, attacks on church congregations are increasing at an alarming rate and I think God gave us enough common sense to take care of certain situations, hence the reference to Jesus asking his disciples if they had any swords.

Well, we had been doing a good job and the Elder's and Pastor decided to vote away the security team's right to exercise their Second Amendment right to carry concealed (for those that are licensed by the State of Texas) and my immediate response was to resign my position. I disarm for no man, period.

The team leader feels exactly the way I do.

I told my Pastor, who is a good friend, that not only was this a foolish decision, but if an active shooter ever did show up, it would cause more innocent blood to be spilled. I told him I was willing and able to stand between him and a bad guy, but not without the ability to protect myself, him and possible to kill the bad guy.

Now, I am no longer on the security team, but I am in the congregation armed, willing and able to eliminate said BG per the team leaders instructions. I guess now I'm on the undercover security team.

We recently introduced such a team at our church. However, they too are unarmed - it's an insurance thing. However, there are many police officers who attend, and many armed citizens who attend, and they carry. But, as long as you're serving on the "Watch Team" for that service, you cannot carry. I'm on the church staff, so, I can't be on the team anyway due to being busy every service, but, I always carry.

UncleFudd · 05-20-2010, 07:35 AM

I guess I am a little different. I have never been asked and I do not discuss or ask if I can carry wherever I may be and no one ever sees my firearm.
I have carried to church for many years, careful where I sit and am very comfortable being there.
My firearm is not to protect others in the congregation and never has been, it is for MY protection and my wife. Don't threaten us and we will not bother you.

Why would anyone ask or even let someone in the congregation know that you carry when you have no idea who the threat will eventually be?

No one sees, no one asks and I do not tell, period in spite of owning the range and teaching concealed carry etc. every day.

People might wonder or even guess, but they do not know and it is none of their business.

However, now you have opened Pandoras box and you now have decisions to make and you can bet others in your church know all about your predicament. You have made yourself a pariah.

UF

Double D · 05-20-2010, 08:21 AM

Well, in my case my pastor knows I am a gun guy and approached me. The insurance does not recommend an armed team. But concealed carry is an option. There is a couple others we know are armed. I have been going to this church for 15 years and my pastor and many others there are just like my family. I would protect them in a heartbeat. Nobody knows I carry and I dont tell anybody. I am as discreet as possible. I couldnt sit under a pastor that was anti-gun.

wpage · 05-20-2010, 08:54 AM

Dont ask dont tell...
What would Jesus do?
Cleanse the Temple of the outlaws!

SmokyBaer · 05-20-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobitis

Yup.

I would respect any establishments rules of welcome.
I would then exercise my right to go elsewhere.

Absolutely the way!! Choices have consequences.
They can pass the plate to someone else. Oh well.

williamd · 05-20-2010, 05:40 PM

Baptist church is one of the most dangerous places I have ever been!

yetiman · 03-25-2012, 09:25 AM

Have just recently started carrying in Church. There are no signs posted so my mouth stays shut.

American Leader · 03-25-2012, 09:44 AM

I have carried in Church for many years and don't intend to change. What people don't know don't hurt them! Kinda of an old post ain't it!

marlin795 · 03-25-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by williamd

Baptist church is one of the most dangerous places I have ever been!

I know how it is lol.

prepper for it all · 03-25-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by armedandsafe

Have you asked them if you can carry a sword, if you have sold your cloak to buy it?

Pops

This is a funny point, a church has the right to not allow guns but i can bet that if the bible said something about guns being religous they would all have one stashed under the pews loaded and cocked. I agree with the fact that i have a right to carry and if they dont like it then im findin a new church.

dad2thebone · 03-25-2012, 03:27 PM

Church is a place of worship that gives you a chance to be with like mined folks and while i love that it doesnt mean im safe . So like others on here i agree, move on and continue to carry . At least you know you and yours are safe.

Jerryboy · 03-25-2012, 05:26 PM

luckily, in my church everyone who is in good standing with the church is welcome to carry, so long as it's concealed during the services, and so long as they ask the pastor's permission first, though we don't legally need to since the building we meet at is rented and doesn't belong to the church.

but even if the pastor said no, and if the building did belong to the church, I would still carry; I'm not about to be unarmed in a place that's a ripe target for someone who hates God enough to try to kill His children as they worship him. then again, I wouldn't attend a church that explicitly forbade it's members to defend themselves in the house of God in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

In times past, no one ever considered carrying to Church...

in times further past, every able-bodied male carried to church, and after the service they would perform militia drills and training.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big ugly

Church does not mean that you free from harm by those who feel the need to inflict harm. It was not all that long ago that we had a church shootin here in Knoxville by some one off the street and not afiliated with the church.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25882063/

pro-gay? collaborates with the Anti-american Communist Liberal Union? doesn't sound like a church to me!

Quote:

Originally Posted by artabr

A "Church Carry" bill just passed the Louisiana state house on the second vote, IIRC the vote was 74 -18. The bill still has to go before the state senate.

A local paper printed a letter from some pin head who opposed the bill. A very good friend of mine responded with a letter of his own.

This is a thread that I started on that forum. The pin heads letter is linked in the op.

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=36006

Incidentally, just today in fact, that same paper printed an editorial that also opposed the bill.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/opinion/93828384.html

Art

none of your links work, what is the bill about?

henry77 · 03-25-2012, 10:37 PM

Would not be surprised if my preacher did not have a pistol hidden in the pulpit. Loves to go hunting, shooting and collects guns.

okiefired · 03-25-2012, 11:35 PM

Always cracks me up to hear someone say they dont attend ANY church because all churches are full of hyporites. No ****. You must stay home alot because there is not one single place on this planet that is not full of hypocrites, including YOUR home. Thats part of the reason we attend, to learn how to get closer to Him and get a better control on the hipocracy in our lives.

okie

Jerryboy · 03-26-2012, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okiefired

Always cracks me up to hear someone say they dont attend ANY church because all churches are full of hyporites. No ****. You must stay home alot because there is not one single place on this planet that is not full of hypocrites, including YOUR home. Thats part of the reason we attend, to learn how to get closer to Him and get a better control on the hipocracy in our lives.

okie

+1

45nut · 03-26-2012, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okiefired

Always cracks me up to hear someone say they dont attend ANY church because all churches are full of hyporites. No ****. You must stay home alot because there is not one single place on this planet that is not full of hypocrites, including YOUR home. Thats part of the reason we attend, to learn how to get closer to Him and get a better control on the hipocracy in our lives.

okie

Right on okie. We ain't perfect, just forgiven and trying, unlike those old farts that just want to make an excuse. Yeah, blame the guy trying for your failure. Sounds kind of like liberals blaming other folks for their problems

The old hypocrite cry is the weakest defense of one's decision to refuse salvation. Usually due to pride. Just look at where that got Lucifer.

76Highboy · 03-26-2012, 09:49 PM

If I was told that I could not carry, and than the pastor changed his mind when he found out I was leaving and he was going to lose his tithes, I would leave anyway. A Godly man should not roll over so easily. If he is willing to change his rules on firearms because of money, what else will he compromise? Godly men don't compromise and neither does God. So, if I can't pack, I'm out of there. Also, once a church openly states that there are no firearms allowed on the property, it becomes an easy hit and word gets around.

I used to attend a church where when one of the guys found out I carried CCW, he asked if I would sit towards the front by the pastor. I was honored.

I always carry at church.

76Highboy · 03-26-2012, 10:06 PM

One more thing. About two years ago an elderly woman came up to my side and put her arm around me during worship. Her right hand landed on my gun. She kept it there for a rather long moment and then patted me on the shoulder and kept singing (I was standing in the back because I was an usher). After the music was over we had a meet and greet time. She came back and gave me a big old hug and said that she was happy that I carried a gun. After that, that old gal always sat as close to my wife and I as she could and she never told a sole.

Guts3d · 03-27-2012, 06:18 AM

I have carried for years to church, as carjackings happen even on Sunday. And we sometimes stop for a bite to eat at Bruegger's. I'd feel naked in a restaurant situation without some cold steel at my side.

whirley · 03-27-2012, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Highboy

If I was told that I could not carry, and than the pastor changed his mind when he found out I was leaving and he was going to lose his tithes, I would leave anyway. A Godly man should not roll over so easily. If he is willing to change his rules on firearms because of money, what else will he compromise? Godly men don't compromise and neither does God. So, if I can't pack, I'm out of there. Also, once a church openly states that there are no firearms allowed on the property, it becomes an easy hit and word gets around.

I used to attend a church where when one of the guys found out I carried CCW, he asked if I would sit towards the front by the pastor. I was honored.

I always carry at church.

I sit in the back over to one side. Then if bad persons ever come in I can give them last rites.

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05-15-2010, 12:52 PM	#26
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Church Carry? POLL! I feel your pain brother. My opinion is this; until the time they post a *LEGAL* notice that no CCW is allowed, then you can and should continue to carry concealed. My story: I was on my church's security team comprised of mostly like minded individuals that only want to make sure the congregation is safe from fire, storm, heart attack, broken leg or active shooter. Active shooter is last in this list for a reason. It is the least likely scenario to happen. However, attacks on church congregations are increasing at an alarming rate and I think God gave us enough common sense to take care of certain situations, hence the reference to Jesus asking his disciples if they had any swords. Well, we had been doing a good job and the Elder's and Pastor decided to vote away the security team's right to exercise their Second Amendment right to carry concealed (for those that are licensed by the State of Texas) and my immediate response was to resign my position. I disarm for no man, period. The team leader feels exactly the way I do. I told my Pastor, who is a good friend, that not only was this a foolish decision, but if an active shooter ever did show up, it would cause more innocent blood to be spilled. I told him I was willing and able to stand between him and a bad guy, but not without the ability to protect myself, him and possible to kill the bad guy. Now, I am no longer on the security team, but I am in the congregation armed, willing and able to eliminate said BG per the team leaders instructions. I guess now I'm on the undercover security team. Luke 23 says this: 35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

05-15-2010, 03:37 PM	#28
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: Church Carry? POLL! A "Church Carry" bill just passed the Louisiana state house on the second vote, IIRC the vote was 74 -18. The bill still has to go before the state senate. A local paper printed a letter from some pin head who opposed the bill. A very good friend of mine responded with a letter of his own. This is a thread that I started on that forum. The pin heads letter is linked in the op. http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=36006 Incidentally, just today in fact, that same paper printed an editorial that also opposed the bill. http://www.2theadvocate.com/opinion/93828384.html Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!! Last edited by artabr; 05-15-2010 at 03:42 PM..

05-20-2010, 07:35 AM	#30
UncleFudd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix, Az Contributor Posts: 549	Re: Church Carry? POLL! I guess I am a little different. I have never been asked and I do not discuss or ask if I can carry wherever I may be and no one ever sees my firearm. I have carried to church for many years, careful where I sit and am very comfortable being there. My firearm is not to protect others in the congregation and never has been, it is for MY protection and my wife. Don't threaten us and we will not bother you. Why would anyone ask or even let someone in the congregation know that you carry when you have no idea who the threat will eventually be? No one sees, no one asks and I do not tell, period in spite of owning the range and teaching concealed carry etc. every day. People might wonder or even guess, but they do not know and it is none of their business. However, now you have opened Pandoras box and you now have decisions to make and you can bet others in your church know all about your predicament. You have made yourself a pariah. UF

05-20-2010, 08:21 AM	#31
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,083	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Well, in my case my pastor knows I am a gun guy and approached me. The insurance does not recommend an armed team. But concealed carry is an option. There is a couple others we know are armed. I have been going to this church for 15 years and my pastor and many others there are just like my family. I would protect them in a heartbeat. Nobody knows I carry and I dont tell anybody. I am as discreet as possible. I couldnt sit under a pastor that was anti-gun. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

05-20-2010, 08:54 AM	#32
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Dont ask dont tell... What would Jesus do? Cleanse the Temple of the outlaws! __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W

05-20-2010, 05:40 PM	#34
williamd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 772	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Baptist church is one of the most dangerous places I have ever been! __________________ "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" But, we are moving that direction. NRA Benefactor, Vet VN '64-'65 Never sell a gun or a car and you can retire right!! Last edited by williamd; 06-05-2010 at 01:58 PM..

03-25-2012, 09:25 AM	#35
yetiman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Martin, Tn Contributor Posts: 501	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Have just recently started carrying in Church. There are no signs posted so my mouth stays shut.

03-25-2012, 09:44 AM	#36
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Church Carry? POLL! I have carried in Church for many years and don't intend to change. What people don't know don't hurt them! Kinda of an old post ain't it!

03-25-2012, 03:27 PM	#39
dad2thebone Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,357	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Church is a place of worship that gives you a chance to be with like mined folks and while i love that it doesnt mean im safe . So like others on here i agree, move on and continue to carry . At least you know you and yours are safe. __________________ 9-11-01 we will never forget.And then we have dec 7 now it's Nov 6th all sad days for our country. And dont whizz on my leg then tell me it's raining.

03-25-2012, 10:37 PM	#41
henry77 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Wiggins, MS Posts: 202	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Would not be surprised if my preacher did not have a pistol hidden in the pulpit. Loves to go hunting, shooting and collects guns. __________________ Eagle Scout NRA Life Member

03-25-2012, 11:35 PM	#42
okiefired V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: OK. Posts: 186	Re: Church Carry? POLL! Always cracks me up to hear someone say they dont attend ANY church because all churches are full of hyporites. No ****. You must stay home alot because there is not one single place on this planet that is not full of hypocrites, including YOUR home. Thats part of the reason we attend, to learn how to get closer to Him and get a better control on the hipocracy in our lives. okie __________________ "If I ever meet a Texacan that hasn't drunk muddy water from a hoof print, I'll shake his hand and buy him a Daniel Webster ceeegar" Rooster Cogburn

03-26-2012, 09:49 PM	#45
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,969	Re: Church Carry? POLL! If I was told that I could not carry, and than the pastor changed his mind when he found out I was leaving and he was going to lose his tithes, I would leave anyway. A Godly man should not roll over so easily. If he is willing to change his rules on firearms because of money, what else will he compromise? Godly men don't compromise and neither does God. So, if I can't pack, I'm out of there. Also, once a church openly states that there are no firearms allowed on the property, it becomes an easy hit and word gets around. I used to attend a church where when one of the guys found out I carried CCW, he asked if I would sit towards the front by the pastor. I was honored. I always carry at church.

03-26-2012, 10:06 PM	#46
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,969	Re: Church Carry? POLL! One more thing. About two years ago an elderly woman came up to my side and put her arm around me during worship. Her right hand landed on my gun. She kept it there for a rather long moment and then patted me on the shoulder and kept singing (I was standing in the back because I was an usher). After the music was over we had a meet and greet time. She came back and gave me a big old hug and said that she was happy that I carried a gun. After that, that old gal always sat as close to my wife and I as she could and she never told a sole.

03-27-2012, 06:18 AM	#47
Guts3d V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 166	Re: Church Carry? POLL! I have carried for years to church, as carjackings happen even on Sunday. And we sometimes stop for a bite to eat at Bruegger's. I'd feel naked in a restaurant situation without some cold steel at my side. __________________ "I don't like the idea of gettin' shot in the hand" - Blackie from "Rustler's Rhapsody"