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Hunting Man · 06-02-2010, 12:17 AM

Really interesting to see the war has never ended between some here. The only thing that really matters is that the Union was preserved. It is absolutely true that the slave issuse came after the fact but did give a higher moral ground theme to the war, by the north. The confederate flag bears no pro or negative responce from me, other than it being a part of US history. The stars and stripes does, however, bring a real sense of pride when viewed. I also believe that another kind of people's war is coming. What will this one be called?

RJay · 06-02-2010, 11:22 AM

I would encourage any one who wants to discuss the Civil War to read the civil war trilogy by Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury, Terrible Swift Sword, Never Call Retreat. There are other great books but these three will give the complete back ground of " just the facts", and prevent the common misconceptions so many people have. Jim K and Jim B both have their ducks in a row in their facts. No ands, ifs or buts. , To argue other wise is just to prove that old clique " it's best to remain silent and appear ignorant and to speak and prove it". I know reading the printed page is old fashion, but how in the world are you going to discuss something you really know nothing about? ( I know, it's done all the time

). The cause and effect of the Civil War is a very complex issue and slavery was the root cause of it. The gentlemen in the south could not under stand that their way of life was ending, with or with out the war. As Joe Friday { Dragnet} used to say, Just the facts madam, just the facts "

kencat · 06-05-2010, 05:40 AM

Do you feel that people who object to the Confederate Battle flag have a lagitament gripe or are they just over reacting to something they may know little about. Ken

flintlock · 06-05-2010, 06:43 AM

No, I don't feel that people who object to the Confederate flag have a legitament gripe. It is a part of our collective history as Americans. The reasons for the war were numerous, and everyone can choose the ones that best suit their point of view, but all involved were Americans. If someone wants to fly the flag, I say go ahead. I like the Gadsen flag myself.

carver · 06-05-2010, 11:10 AM

Who owned slaves? Only the wealthy. Both in the North, and in the South. To those of you who think slave labor was cheap labor, you might want to rethink your position. Yes, it was cheaper than hiring, and paying the going rate for labor, but just barley. Slaves had to purchased, clothed, fed, sheltered, and cared for medically. Only the wealthy could afford to own slaves. Where were most of the weathy people in America in 1863? They dang sure weren't in the South.

NRA_guy · 06-05-2010, 05:06 PM

To answer the OP, the flag means heritage, not hate to most southerners today. But because of political correctness, we are no longer allowed to display it without being called racists.

I had ancestors on my mother's side of the family and on my daddy's side who fought for the Confederate States. None of them owned any slaves ever. They were farmers and sawmill operators---not plantation owners.

The vast majority of CSA soldiers did not own slaves and would never have gone to war to defend the right of owning slaves. They fought to prevent being forced to stay in the union.

A good read is the book "The South Was Right" by Kennedy and Kennedy.

They point out the true reasons for the war:

1. Yankee seafarers were making good money selling slaves to southern plantation owners. But the birth rate of slaves had reached the point where slaves no longer needed to be imported---the birth rate was fulfilling the demand. I.e., the jig was up for yankee seamen. (They continued slave trade to some of the Caribbean Islands after the war.)

2. Yankee merchants in New England seaports were making a very good living handling imports of finished goods from Europe and selling them to the rest of the US. But suddenly, the settlers were expanding into the mid-west. And it was far more efficient to ship goods up the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers than to bring it into New England ports and haul the goods over the mountains. Articles in Harper's predicted Boston, New York and other prosperous seaports would dry up and become ghost towns unless a way was found to prevent shipments from bypassing the United States by entering via the CSA.

3. The abolitionist movement started with a small group of Quakers. Most northerners would never have gone to war to abolish slavery. There was no strong consensus of support for the war. See New York riots here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Draft_Riots

There is no real point in debating such issues. No one will ever change his opinion, so it is pointless to argue.

ETA: By the way, I have Native American ancestors, too.

The atrocities that were done to Native Americans by folks flying the US flag are on par with slavery.

So, is it OK for me to be offended by the US flag?

As the saying goes, "The winners get to write history." And that's why the Confederate flag is considered racist but the US flag is not considered anti-Native American.

bamajoey · 06-05-2010, 05:29 PM

I have lived in the South all my life and think the Confederate Battle flag is a symbol for the southern people to be proud of. I never owned any slaves, my parents never owned any slaves, and I really don't think there any former slaves still alive. So whats the big deal with some one flying that flag. I personally am repulsed when I see someone strutting down the street with his pants aroung his knees and his hat turned around sideways but it's his hat and pants so I guess he can wear them the way he wants to because it's none of my business. It's also my business if I want to fly a Confederate Battle flag

kencat · 06-06-2010, 06:37 AM

I think for some people its easier to have someone makeup their mind for them than to research it for themselves and makeup their own minds. Ken

red14 · 06-06-2010, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kencat

I think for some people its easier to have someone makeup their mind for them than to research it for themselves and makeup their own minds. Ken

The only thing I would argue with you is, I believe MOST people fall into that category.

tcox4freedom · 06-06-2010, 03:24 PM

I love you guys!

I'm getting all misty eyed with "southern" pride.

(Carry on!)

Big Shrek · 06-23-2010, 03:41 AM

I'm going to throw a curveball into this.

I don't believe that the KKK had or has the RIGHT to use the CBF.

I flat out think they should not use it at all, out of respect for our Confederate ancestors.

And let's face facts, the KKK is a dying group...if they couldn't manage to take at least a potshot at Obama when he came down to Pensacola, only 30 miles from Jay, Florida, the HOME of the Florida KKK, they honestly should shut up, close their doors, and go away.

It's time to let the racism end, and just focus on ending crooks, drug-dealers, and illegal aliens.

The Confederate Battle Flag was for the Warriors of the South...and the KKK never had the right to use it, IMHO.

CHW2021 · 07-26-2010, 12:31 PM

Not bad, this post has covered from Ft. Sumpter to the Klan. Has it dawned on anyone that the issue of "states rights" is still alive and well? Look at the Arizona Alien legal mess. As a native of the great state of Louisiana I can tell you that this issue has surfaced repeatedly. Great grandpa may just be spinning in his grave! He fought for states rights "back in the day" on the side of the Confederacy.
Please, anyone who is interested in history, come visit New Orleans and make a donation to Memorial Hall (the museum of the Confederacy ) HISTORY IS IMPORTANT. Visit the D-Day museum, it is 1/2 a block away. Memorial hall was to restore one of the earliest battle flags known, the project may have been shelved after Katrina.

God Bless America (we are going to need all the help we can get)

Jim K · 07-26-2010, 01:44 PM

Is the problem with the C.S. battle flag the attitude of those who see it, or the attitude of those who display it? I am sorry to say this, but many (not all) those who display that flag really are racists and haters, and the flag makes their feelings known to the world.

The problem is that a flag is not just a piece of cloth or a part of history, it is a symbol of an idea, and people who display and honor it are rightfully seen as embracing that idea. Some folks may display the C.S. battle flag to honor brave men or even as a decoration, but it is silly to pretend ignorance of the fact it was a symbol of the fight to retain slavery. (And no amout of ranting or invented "yankee aggression" or economic nonsense can change that simple fact.)

To those who say that that flag is just part of history, with no symbolic meaning, I ask if you would display the Nazi swastika, or the Russian hammer and sickle flag, or the Chinese flag "as a part of history"? If flags are without symbolism, then why did so many Americans object when a mob of illegals in California tore down the U.S. flag and raised the Mexican flag in its place?

Jim

xm774u · 07-26-2010, 09:29 PM

im glad we are all americans now mostly i shut up peeps when i bring up my family were indentured servants from england as for the south i can respect any soldier most fought for the family farm a yank

lentz · 07-26-2010, 09:42 PM

Not to oppose or affirm the flying of the flag,but as far as I am concerned it is what you feel in your heart.It's like people that wear Jesus T-Shirts,necklaces,and bumperstickers to let everyone know they are Christian.If I have to carry a sign,I must be a pretty poor one.People should see it within you automatically.

coreyacp · 07-26-2010, 10:59 PM

have you ever seen an african american fly the confederate flag?

coreyacp · 07-26-2010, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Shrek

I'm going to throw a curveball into this.

And let's face facts, the KKK is a dying group...if they couldn't manage to take at least a potshot at Obama when he came down to Pensacola, only 30 miles from Jay, Florida, the HOME of the Florida KKK, they honestly should shut up, close their doors, and go away..

you should never think anyone shoot assassinate the president even if you disagree with him he is the president of the united states.

lentz · 07-27-2010, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coreyacp

you should never think anyone shoot assassinate the president even if you disagree with him he is the president of the united states.

Only the title

Infidel · 07-27-2010, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coreyacp

have you ever seen an african american fly the confederate flag?

Yes. I'm a biker and a vet and I have brothers from all walks. Several of my black buddies have them on thier vests, always displayed lower than the stars and stripes of course.

Btw, they don't use the term African-American. They are black Americans like I am a white American.

Alpo · 07-27-2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coreyacp

have you ever seen an african american fly the confederate flag?

Ain't never seen an African-American, period. But, for that matter, ain't never seen an Irish-American, Mexican-American, German-American, etc. You're either American or you're not. This hyphenated-American BS is, well, BS.

But, yes, I've seen black people fly the Stainless Banner, the Stars and Bars, and the Battle Flag.

coreyacp · 07-27-2010, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lentz

Only the title

wrong you may completely disagree with his policies and who he is but he is the president of the united states. I could not stand Bush as much as you can not stand obama but I would never wish for him to be assassinated. This is our country and his fight for it not against it. He was voted in by the American people and HE WAS do not come up with conspiracy theories and claims he was wrongly elected that's what everyone says when they disagree with a president. Disagree with him yes kill him? never You are an American Your are better than that.

JBozeman · 07-31-2010, 08:33 PM

Many of my Family fought in Various Units of Alabama Infantry. Most of them,so very poor they could not begin to own a slave. They Fought because they were invaded and if you can get your hands on some History Books and Articles that have been printed as history and not a political point of view you can find out how dishonest "Honest" Abe really was. For Starter go back and read the Lincoln Douglas debate and learn how he really felt about folks being "Equal and such. Go back and read where he show down Newpapers and Incarsarated Citizens who disagreeed with him. (Btw: That is where we are headed now! Tyranny is alive and well in this Country. I am a Patriot and I will always be a Patriot and All men are created Equal Which my Ancestors believed. They were not fighting for Slavery they were fighting for Freedom. Yes there were some real jerks who were brutal in the South just like there are were Jerks in the North, epecially one in the White House who protected Slaver owners there and then Oppressing Slave owners in the South. It Was a War of Northern Agression and there is a Real Jerk in the White House Right Now. Jimmy Carter Was the Worst Jerk of all time with the exception of the Current Jerk who desire nothing more that to be King.

All that being said and getting back to the Thread, the Battles Flags of the Units were Sacred to those guys an as is Old Glory to America Today! History has been so twisted because Northern Aggression is Still Strong today and it is manifested in Twisted Distorted History with the Goal of Making Us, Southerns and All Americans be ashamed for our History.

Days are soon approaching my friends when you will not be able to sneeze without the permission of the Crown.

Instead of worrying about whether the Conferderate Battle Flag is offensive, be remind that there is currently and ALL Out Frontal Assualt on Old Glory and that is offensive beyond discription to me. Look at all the places in the White House and other places it has been removed. My God we allowed somebody who doesn't comprehend Freedom to be the "President" and that quite Frankly is staggering. However, that has come about through the production of Twisted History books that have achieve their Goal of Reestablishing the Crown in America.

I have a replica of the Battle Flag of the 37th Alabama and I am pround of my Ancestors who proudly served their Country under that banner. Their Country was Alabama and they fought here and in neighboring states. Out of that, States ability to govern themselves was really born and solidified. Course that is out the Window now because the Jerks in Washington don't mind "Illegals" doing all kinds of Vile stuff and won't bother them as they represent support for the Crow.

Folks, my God, Rally around Old Glory and quit worring about the Confederate Battle Flag. We are loosing this nation to Tyranny.

Wait Just a minute:

I had to go salute the 37th Alabama Battle Flag and feel real good about it.

You know, I have always wondered how many Government Trolls roam these Boards. I don't know any of you and I am not implying anything, but think about it. They know where the resistance is and how to find it by asking goal oriented questions. Course they have that right, under the First.

Airdale · 08-04-2010, 06:10 AM

Mr. Bozeman,

Well said sir!

MagnumFan · 08-05-2010, 03:41 PM

My avatar says it all.

Night Driver · 08-10-2010, 06:44 PM

I've been curious for a some time as to why, exactly, the Confederate battle flag had 13 stars on it. The last time I checked I found that only 11 states seceeded from the Union and joined the Confederacy.

I know that in its present arrangement the battle flag would appear somewhat off balance minus those two stars but I seriously doubt that is the reason for their presence on the flag.

I have a few other theories that are a bit more likely but I'm intrested in the opinion of others on the subject. If you have one then lets hear it. I'd like to put this quandry to rest once and for all.

06-02-2010, 12:17 AM	#26
Hunting Man Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW ohio Posts: 49	Re: Confederate battle flag Really interesting to see the war has never ended between some here. The only thing that really matters is that the Union was preserved. It is absolutely true that the slave issuse came after the fact but did give a higher moral ground theme to the war, by the north. The confederate flag bears no pro or negative responce from me, other than it being a part of US history. The stars and stripes does, however, bring a real sense of pride when viewed. I also believe that another kind of people's war is coming. What will this one be called?

06-02-2010, 11:22 AM	#27
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: Confederate battle flag I would encourage any one who wants to discuss the Civil War to read the civil war trilogy by Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury, Terrible Swift Sword, Never Call Retreat. There are other great books but these three will give the complete back ground of " just the facts", and prevent the common misconceptions so many people have. Jim K and Jim B both have their ducks in a row in their facts. No ands, ifs or buts. , To argue other wise is just to prove that old clique " it's best to remain silent and appear ignorant and to speak and prove it". I know reading the printed page is old fashion, but how in the world are you going to discuss something you really know nothing about? ( I know, it's done all the time ). The cause and effect of the Civil War is a very complex issue and slavery was the root cause of it. The gentlemen in the south could not under stand that their way of life was ending, with or with out the war. As Joe Friday { Dragnet} used to say, Just the facts madam, just the facts " __________________ RonJames Last edited by RJay; 06-02-2010 at 12:34 PM..

06-05-2010, 05:40 AM	#28
kencat Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21	Re: Confederate battle flag Do you feel that people who object to the Confederate Battle flag have a lagitament gripe or are they just over reacting to something they may know little about. Ken

06-05-2010, 06:43 AM	#29
flintlock Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Upstate NY Contributor Posts: 896	Re: Confederate battle flag No, I don't feel that people who object to the Confederate flag have a legitament gripe. It is a part of our collective history as Americans. The reasons for the war were numerous, and everyone can choose the ones that best suit their point of view, but all involved were Americans. If someone wants to fly the flag, I say go ahead. I like the Gadsen flag myself.

06-05-2010, 11:10 AM	#30
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,266	Re: Confederate battle flag Who owned slaves? Only the wealthy. Both in the North, and in the South. To those of you who think slave labor was cheap labor, you might want to rethink your position. Yes, it was cheaper than hiring, and paying the going rate for labor, but just barley. Slaves had to purchased, clothed, fed, sheltered, and cared for medically. Only the wealthy could afford to own slaves. Where were most of the weathy people in America in 1863? They dang sure weren't in the South. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

06-05-2010, 05:06 PM	#31
NRA_guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mississippi Posts: 287	Re: Confederate battle flag To answer the OP, the flag means heritage, not hate to most southerners today. But because of political correctness, we are no longer allowed to display it without being called racists. I had ancestors on my mother's side of the family and on my daddy's side who fought for the Confederate States. None of them owned any slaves ever. They were farmers and sawmill operators---not plantation owners. The vast majority of CSA soldiers did not own slaves and would never have gone to war to defend the right of owning slaves. They fought to prevent being forced to stay in the union. A good read is the book "The South Was Right" by Kennedy and Kennedy. They point out the true reasons for the war: 1. Yankee seafarers were making good money selling slaves to southern plantation owners. But the birth rate of slaves had reached the point where slaves no longer needed to be imported---the birth rate was fulfilling the demand. I.e., the jig was up for yankee seamen. (They continued slave trade to some of the Caribbean Islands after the war.) 2. Yankee merchants in New England seaports were making a very good living handling imports of finished goods from Europe and selling them to the rest of the US. But suddenly, the settlers were expanding into the mid-west. And it was far more efficient to ship goods up the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers than to bring it into New England ports and haul the goods over the mountains. Articles in Harper's predicted Boston, New York and other prosperous seaports would dry up and become ghost towns unless a way was found to prevent shipments from bypassing the United States by entering via the CSA. 3. The abolitionist movement started with a small group of Quakers. Most northerners would never have gone to war to abolish slavery. There was no strong consensus of support for the war. See New York riots here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Draft_Riots There is no real point in debating such issues. No one will ever change his opinion, so it is pointless to argue. ETA: By the way, I have Native American ancestors, too. The atrocities that were done to Native Americans by folks flying the US flag are on par with slavery. So, is it OK for me to be offended by the US flag? As the saying goes, "The winners get to write history." And that's why the Confederate flag is considered racist but the US flag is not considered anti-Native American. Last edited by NRA_guy; 06-05-2010 at 05:24 PM..

06-05-2010, 05:29 PM	#32
bamajoey Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola Contributor Posts: 1,259	Re: Confederate battle flag I have lived in the South all my life and think the Confederate Battle flag is a symbol for the southern people to be proud of. I never owned any slaves, my parents never owned any slaves, and I really don't think there any former slaves still alive. So whats the big deal with some one flying that flag. I personally am repulsed when I see someone strutting down the street with his pants aroung his knees and his hat turned around sideways but it's his hat and pants so I guess he can wear them the way he wants to because it's none of my business. It's also my business if I want to fly a Confederate Battle flag

06-06-2010, 06:37 AM	#33
kencat Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21	Re: Confederate battle flag I think for some people its easier to have someone makeup their mind for them than to research it for themselves and makeup their own minds. Ken

06-06-2010, 03:24 PM	#35
tcox4freedom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 944	Re: Confederate battle flag I love you guys! I'm getting all misty eyed with "southern" pride. (Carry on!)

06-23-2010, 03:41 AM	#36
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 923	Re: Confederate battle flag I'm going to throw a curveball into this. I don't believe that the KKK had or has the RIGHT to use the CBF. I flat out think they should not use it at all, out of respect for our Confederate ancestors. And let's face facts, the KKK is a dying group...if they couldn't manage to take at least a potshot at Obama when he came down to Pensacola, only 30 miles from Jay, Florida, the HOME of the Florida KKK, they honestly should shut up, close their doors, and go away. It's time to let the racism end, and just focus on ending crooks, drug-dealers, and illegal aliens. The Confederate Battle Flag was for the Warriors of the South...and the KKK never had the right to use it, IMHO. __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool. Last edited by Big Shrek; 06-23-2010 at 03:47 AM..

07-26-2010, 12:31 PM	#37
CHW2021 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 467	Re: Confederate battle flag Not bad, this post has covered from Ft. Sumpter to the Klan. Has it dawned on anyone that the issue of "states rights" is still alive and well? Look at the Arizona Alien legal mess. As a native of the great state of Louisiana I can tell you that this issue has surfaced repeatedly. Great grandpa may just be spinning in his grave! He fought for states rights "back in the day" on the side of the Confederacy. Please, anyone who is interested in history, come visit New Orleans and make a donation to Memorial Hall (the museum of the Confederacy ) HISTORY IS IMPORTANT. Visit the D-Day museum, it is 1/2 a block away. Memorial hall was to restore one of the earliest battle flags known, the project may have been shelved after Katrina. God Bless America (we are going to need all the help we can get)

07-26-2010, 01:44 PM	#38
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Confederate battle flag Is the problem with the C.S. battle flag the attitude of those who see it, or the attitude of those who display it? I am sorry to say this, but many (not all) those who display that flag really are racists and haters, and the flag makes their feelings known to the world. The problem is that a flag is not just a piece of cloth or a part of history, it is a symbol of an idea, and people who display and honor it are rightfully seen as embracing that idea. Some folks may display the C.S. battle flag to honor brave men or even as a decoration, but it is silly to pretend ignorance of the fact it was a symbol of the fight to retain slavery. (And no amout of ranting or invented "yankee aggression" or economic nonsense can change that simple fact.) To those who say that that flag is just part of history, with no symbolic meaning, I ask if you would display the Nazi swastika, or the Russian hammer and sickle flag, or the Chinese flag "as a part of history"? If flags are without symbolism, then why did so many Americans object when a mob of illegals in California tore down the U.S. flag and raised the Mexican flag in its place? Jim

07-26-2010, 09:29 PM	#39
xm774u Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: beond the great abiss Posts: 179	Re: Confederate battle flag im glad we are all americans now mostly i shut up peeps when i bring up my family were indentured servants from england as for the south i can respect any soldier most fought for the family farm a yank

07-26-2010, 09:42 PM	#40
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: Confederate battle flag Not to oppose or affirm the flying of the flag,but as far as I am concerned it is what you feel in your heart.It's like people that wear Jesus T-Shirts,necklaces,and bumperstickers to let everyone know they are Christian.If I have to carry a sign,I must be a pretty poor one.People should see it within you automatically.

07-26-2010, 10:59 PM	#41
coreyacp Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Portland Oregon, USA Posts: 787	Re: Confederate battle flag have you ever seen an african american fly the confederate flag?

07-31-2010, 08:33 PM	#47
JBozeman Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 48	Re: Confederate battle flag Many of my Family fought in Various Units of Alabama Infantry. Most of them,so very poor they could not begin to own a slave. They Fought because they were invaded and if you can get your hands on some History Books and Articles that have been printed as history and not a political point of view you can find out how dishonest "Honest" Abe really was. For Starter go back and read the Lincoln Douglas debate and learn how he really felt about folks being "Equal and such. Go back and read where he show down Newpapers and Incarsarated Citizens who disagreeed with him. (Btw: That is where we are headed now! Tyranny is alive and well in this Country. I am a Patriot and I will always be a Patriot and All men are created Equal Which my Ancestors believed. They were not fighting for Slavery they were fighting for Freedom. Yes there were some real jerks who were brutal in the South just like there are were Jerks in the North, epecially one in the White House who protected Slaver owners there and then Oppressing Slave owners in the South. It Was a War of Northern Agression and there is a Real Jerk in the White House Right Now. Jimmy Carter Was the Worst Jerk of all time with the exception of the Current Jerk who desire nothing more that to be King. All that being said and getting back to the Thread, the Battles Flags of the Units were Sacred to those guys an as is Old Glory to America Today! History has been so twisted because Northern Aggression is Still Strong today and it is manifested in Twisted Distorted History with the Goal of Making Us, Southerns and All Americans be ashamed for our History. Days are soon approaching my friends when you will not be able to sneeze without the permission of the Crown. Instead of worrying about whether the Conferderate Battle Flag is offensive, be remind that there is currently and ALL Out Frontal Assualt on Old Glory and that is offensive beyond discription to me. Look at all the places in the White House and other places it has been removed. My God we allowed somebody who doesn't comprehend Freedom to be the "President" and that quite Frankly is staggering. However, that has come about through the production of Twisted History books that have achieve their Goal of Reestablishing the Crown in America. I have a replica of the Battle Flag of the 37th Alabama and I am pround of my Ancestors who proudly served their Country under that banner. Their Country was Alabama and they fought here and in neighboring states. Out of that, States ability to govern themselves was really born and solidified. Course that is out the Window now because the Jerks in Washington don't mind "Illegals" doing all kinds of Vile stuff and won't bother them as they represent support for the Crow. Folks, my God, Rally around Old Glory and quit worring about the Confederate Battle Flag. We are loosing this nation to Tyranny. Wait Just a minute: I had to go salute the 37th Alabama Battle Flag and feel real good about it. You know, I have always wondered how many Government Trolls roam these Boards. I don't know any of you and I am not implying anything, but think about it. They know where the resistance is and how to find it by asking goal oriented questions. Course they have that right, under the First. __________________ Boze "Gentlemen, Prepare to defend yourselves" SGM Basil Plumley ______________________ "If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth." "The time for Choosing" Ronald Reagan October 1964

08-04-2010, 06:10 AM	#48
Airdale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: N.W. Arkansas Contributor Posts: 750	Re: Confederate battle flag Mr. Bozeman, Well said sir! __________________ "The Utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of the wealth] and a community of goods [central ownership of the means of production and distribution], are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the crown.[These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional." Samuel Adams

08-05-2010, 03:41 PM	#49
MagnumFan Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 107	Re: Confederate battle flag My avatar says it all.

08-10-2010, 06:44 PM	#50
Night Driver V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: TEXAS, LAKE LIVINGSTON AREA Posts: 51	Re: Confederate battle flag I've been curious for a some time as to why, exactly, the Confederate battle flag had 13 stars on it. The last time I checked I found that only 11 states seceeded from the Union and joined the Confederacy. I know that in its present arrangement the battle flag would appear somewhat off balance minus those two stars but I seriously doubt that is the reason for their presence on the flag. I have a few other theories that are a bit more likely but I'm intrested in the opinion of others on the subject. If you have one then lets hear it. I'd like to put this quandry to rest once and for all.