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Old 07-06-2010, 12:07 AM   #1
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Talking Second Best Scoped Rifle Shot

Since I was having pretty good luck with the 2 inch target, I went for something a little smaller.

Howa 1500 30-06, shooting a 1 inch target at 300 yards.

If I try a smaller target it would probably be to small to see with that scope.

The wind was from 12 o'clock at 4mph at it's strongest, so I held right on. My "diamond" the crystal inside my scope that lights up was about twice the size of the washer so it was a little tricky.

It is almost my best scoped rifle shot. This is a .33MOA sized target at 300 yards with a 30-06. My best was a .54 sized target at 550 yards using a 30-30. So this isn't as impressive but still pretty good.

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Old 07-06-2010, 05:14 AM   #2
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Great shot Rifleman, that one would be hard to beat! 1" circle @ 300 yards is hard to see, nonetheless to hit, and right about center.
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Great shot Rifleman, that one would be hard to beat! 1" circle @ 300 yards is hard to see, nonetheless to hit, and right about center.
Thanks! I am loving this load it is hitting better than I had hoped it would. If I wasn't so cheap I would try a 3 shot group all on the same day.
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FANTASTIC !!!
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:23 AM   #5
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I nominate you for a spot on the Imposibile Shot show on the Outdoor Channel!!! Great shot!
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That truly is a Great Shot and I hate to be a nay-sayer, but let's see uninterrupted video of a 5 shot group at that distance. That's the true test of marksmanship. Even 3 shots isn't enough. "Three is the gun, Five is the shooter". Just sayin...
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THATS WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT!!! well said... and nice shot.
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That truly is a Great Shot and I hate to be a nay-sayer, but let's see uninterrupted video of a 5 shot group at that distance. That's the true test of marksmanship. Even 3 shots isn't enough. "Three is the gun, Five is the shooter". Just sayin...
With seeing many of both his misses and hits, it's pretty safe to say that given a 5 shot group, they all be pretty darn close.

I'd like to see ya shoot 5 shots to know that you have more than one of each cartridge; I'm kinda thinkin that you have to reload after each shot !!

Once again, NICE WORK!
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That truly is a Great Shot and I hate to be a nay-sayer, but let's see uninterrupted video of a 5 shot group at that distance. That's the true test of marksmanship. Even 3 shots isn't enough. "Three is the gun, Five is the shooter". Just sayin...
I shoot groups to test my loads, and a 3 shot group is good enough for my purposes. Besides, i don't have the money to waste bullets pleasing you. If you want to shoot 5 shot groups, more power to you.

I can't upload a video more than 30 seconds, that video took 2 hours to upload.

To me, marksmanship is hitting the "mark." I would think with a handle of oneshot onekill, you of all people would understand that.

I hope you aren't going to be a "nay-sayer" every post I make now; I'm not jumping through any of your hoops.
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to know that you have more than one of each cartridge;
I do have a low quality video of me shooting a 3 shot group at 400 yards; so at least you know I have 3. :P
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Thanks almost everyone.
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rifleman, next time i need some washers made from quarters, Ill call you
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Thanks almost everyone.
Calm down big fella... I don't doubt your ability to shoot. That was a great shot. However, it's pretty common knowledge among long range Tactical shooters that 5 shot groups are the watermark. Repeatability is paramount when the shot really matters! My apologies if I insulted you.
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Calm down big fella...
Where I come from, apologies don't begin with condescension.

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It's pretty common knowledge that no one agrees on the actual number. The last dude that pulled this wanted a 20 shot group.

This isn't about groups, this is about you trying to look superior by printing words on the internet instead of printing hits on a target.

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Look at my videos dude, start 7 months ago and work your way up to 2 months ago. Every shot I took during those months other than load development is right there. Usually one shot with what the elements gave me that day. It takes an actual marksman to dope wind, distance, humidity, visibility, rain, sleet, snow, blizzards, with one shot hits on the MARK!
That is where it is at; "Repeatability" when the odds are against you, when the conditions are diverse... Then, for you to come in here to school me on "common knowledge" about "Repeatability" in, in-adverse conditions is beyond insulting.
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Ah, I see. You must be one of those frustrated "wanna-be's". Or a "never-was" that has to justify his existence and prove his skill to somebody... anybody. I made my peace. Now your pathetic little attempt to make a fool out of someone who acknowledged a nice shot but pointed out the true test of a marksman has only served to bring that fact to light.

Enjoy your "Internet celebrity".
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'Fraid I have to agree with Rifleman, Oneshot. He's put up the video evidence, countless times.

I understand your challenge, truly. Let's see your video of doing that very thing, and then, maybe he'll answer it. Hmmmmm?

Nice shooting, as always, Rifleman.
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+1, Graehaven. I too have followed Rifleman's posts and he has demonstrated great skill in load development and marksmanship.

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'Fraid I have to agree with Rifleman, Oneshot. He's put up the video evidence, countless times.

I understand your challenge, truly. Let's see your video of doing that very thing, and then, maybe he'll answer it. Hmmmmm?

Nice shooting, as always, Rifleman.
Easy to criticise,
hard to duplicate,
harder to surpass.

I am not a good shot, especially with a rifle. But I have been in competition, in various sports. Coached in many more. One thing I never do, is talk about how good I am, or how bad my foe is. And, I rarely cut down other coaches.

Oneshot, when you duplicate, or surpass his shots, then you can criticise.
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'Fraid I have to agree with Rifleman, Oneshot. He's put up the video evidence, countless times.

I understand your challenge, truly. Let's see your video of doing that very thing, and then, maybe he'll answer it. Hmmmmm?

Nice shooting, as always, Rifleman.
I completely understand. I really usually only post about learning or passing along knowledge about old guns. But because of my past experience in Long range Tactical shooting, the fact that it can take many attempts to make that shot and the video only shows the shot that was made is what led me to make the original statement.

Bottom line is: I acknowledged the shot was a Great shot and I apologized if my post was insulting. Rifleman got his panties in a wad over it and that's on him... Not me. For some reason firearms and shooting skills seem to bring out the worst in the "Chest-thumping", "Manly Man", "Wanna-be's" of the world and frankly, that's a little un-nerving. While I appreciate the challenge you've posed, I have nothing to prove. Can I make that 300yd shot?... Yes. Can I do it the first time?... Maybe. A "cold-bore" shot doesn't generally land in the same spot as subsequent shots. I never said he wasn't a good shot. I never said I was a better shot. I didn't post my questionable video for all the world to see and critique and I have no reason to do so.
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I completely understand. I really usually only post about learning or passing along knowledge about old guns. But because of my past experience in Long range Tactical shooting, the fact that it can take many attempts to make that shot and the video only shows the shot that was made is what led me to make the original statement.

Bottom line is: I acknowledged the shot was a Great shot and I apologized if my post was insulting. Rifleman got his panties in a wad over it and that's on him... Not me. For some reason firearms and shooting skills seem to bring out the worst in the "Chest-thumping", "Manly Man", "Wanna-be's" of the world and frankly, that's a little un-nerving. While I appreciate the challenge you've posed, I have nothing to prove. Can I make that 300yd shot?... Yes. Can I do it the first time?... Maybe. A "cold-bore" shot doesn't generally land in the same spot as subsequent shots. I never said he wasn't a good shot. I never said I was a better shot. I didn't post my questionable video for all the world to see and critique and I have no reason to do so.
Now was any of that really necessary??? Youre attempting an 'apology' that is full of condescending attitude, an impossible feat IMO. If you would follow riflemans posts and ALL of his youtube videos, hes pretty good about posting the misses as well as the hits and will be the first to tell you the video may have been the result of several attempts. I have no doubt in my mind rifleman can hit the mark repeatedly, shot after shot, most of his videos focus on cold bore hits, which is all that matters anywhere except target shooting and tactical competition...
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I would consider 3" at 300 yards a very good day.
We're talkin minute of heart/head here. At 300 yards?

If the guy can hit a quarter, he's got my respect.
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Now was any of that really necessary??? Youre attempting an 'apology' that is full of condescending attitude, an impossible feat IMO. If you would follow riflemans posts and ALL of his youtube videos, hes pretty good about posting the misses as well as the hits and will be the first to tell you the video may have been the result of several attempts. I have no doubt in my mind rifleman can hit the mark repeatedly, shot after shot, most of his videos focus on cold bore hits, which is all that matters anywhere except target shooting and tactical competition...
You're absolutely right. NONE of my "attitude" was necessary. Sometimes I'm just an ASS! My sincere apologies this time. To you, to Rifleman and to anyone else I may have offended with my condescending and out-of-line remarks. No excuses... Just please forgive me. I got my dander up. I was wrong!

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Its all good man. Its cool to disagree and disapprove. Its just gotta be done right
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That's cool. That is what makes this the best gun forum out there.
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Looks to be all good, and Ive seen about all of Rifleman's vidieos he has posted and as said above, he's had his fair share of misses and posted them as well. Like I said above, 1" @ 300yards...hard to beat!
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