The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... - The Firearms Forum

The_Rifleman · 07-08-2010, 12:41 AM

I was told that unless I shoot "uninterrupted video," (I'm dishonest,) of a 5 shot group, (what I do is unacceptable,) with my Howa, my marksmanship is questionable.

Since I can't afford to waste 30-06 supplies to entertain those that haven't done what they expect me to do; and since I needed to test a summer load for the Smith & Wesson, I used the 357.

6 Shots, 357 Mag, 300 Yards

The second shot seems to be very close on the left side, just high of center; that will be the first shot of my 5 shot group. This load passes my test... do I pass yours?

I await your uninterrupted 5 shot 300 yard video...

On a lighter note, it is another personal best; today was the first time I hit at 300 yards with a pistol. Shots 3, 4 and 5 looks like about a 4 inch group. The last 5 seem to be about a 6 inch group. I'll do better next time.

Pistol: Smith & Wesson 686, 357 Mag
Bullet: Hornady 158gr HP-XTP
Powder: VIHT N 110
Primer: CCI 550 Mag
Case: Federal

I hope posting range reports isn't becoming a problem.

To be clear. I don't post range reports to impress people; I post them to show what specific firearms are capable of. I post them to show what the cheapest equipment will do. I post to show the benefits of reloading. My 92 year old Eddystone has a shot out barrel but still shoots .75MOA because I have ammo tailored especially for it. My 30-30 shoots .5MOA at 300 yards, that isn't supposed to be possible.
I don't do anything different than anyone else. Just Saturday I let someone that never shot a scoped rifle before and never shot beyond 40 feet, use the Howa to take one shot at a 1.25" target at 300 yards. With just 2 minutes of coaching, they missed by a fraction of an inch. There is nothing I do that anyone else can't do just as well or much better.

jack404 · 07-08-2010, 01:06 AM

dont stress about nay sayers, even when you do what they say cant be done they'll find a excuse to say its wrong

just enjoy what you do , do it the best that you can and everything else is trivia

i'll watch the vid's later when the net's got less traffic

but liked all your previous stuff eh

JLA · 07-08-2010, 03:44 AM

I dont doubt your skill rifleman. Sure anybody can hit the mark if they send enough bullets downrange at it. but you have proven to be a very efficient shooter hitting the mark with the first shot everytime. You have a snipers understanding of how bullets and firearms are supposed to work. Like our aussie friend said, dont sweat the nay sayers

Old Grump · 07-08-2010, 03:45 AM

My kind of guy, good shooting by the way. My motto is shoot ridiculous small objects at ridiculous long ranges at ridiculous small targets. That is fun, everything else is just practice.

johnlives4christ · 07-08-2010, 04:26 AM

and i thought shooting a 6 inch steel plate at 50 yards off hand with a pistol was pretty good

The_Rifleman · 07-08-2010, 05:29 AM

I was amazed when I first shot this pistol, never seen a pistol that shot as well.

Yep, I figure the smaller the object the better I will get.

I don't always hit but I try to figure out why I missed when I do and correct the error.

I try not to sweat the small stuff but sometimes I just need to set the record straight.

carver · 07-08-2010, 07:47 AM

Rifleman, I loved that 300 yd pistol shooting! Now back up to 500 yds! It can be done. I know for a fact that the .357 is capable of hitting targets at that range, although I have never even tried it. I've read about it, and I know that the balistics are there. Just want to see it, and you are the man that can show us all how it's done. Don't worry about the nay sayers, you just keep on doing your thang! And just so you know, I'm one of those folks that think about the 2nd Amendment the same way you do. When you read the text there is no language that prohibits the ownership of firearms by any American citizen.

jdon72 · 07-08-2010, 08:08 AM

I enjoy the videos..keep them coming. I like the ones in snow...that takes dedication.

J

RustyFN · 07-08-2010, 09:36 AM

300 yards with a 357 is nothing, now 500 would have been impressive. Ok ok just kidding. That was very nice. I would have been lucky to hit that with my AR 15. I agree with the others, don't sweat it.

Eddie N · 07-08-2010, 11:25 AM

Looks like some good shooting to me. Makes me wonder if I can do that with either of my .45s.
I also like to challenge myself.

dianalv · 07-08-2010, 01:58 PM

I couldn't see the target on an unscoped firearm at 300 yards. I have trouble with small targets at 100 yards. Scoped now... that might be doable with a rest. Never shot handgun with a rest before.

The_Rifleman · 07-09-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dianalv

I couldn't see the target on an unscoped firearm at 300 yards. I have trouble with small targets at 100 yards. Scoped now... that might be doable with a rest. Never shot handgun with a rest before.

I have put a weight on the target so it points up and reflects the sky instead of the grass and dirt around the target. That improves visibility a lot more than one would think. Also, I cast a shadow on my sights which does a lot more for visibility than angling the target. If I didn't do those things, with the conditions the way they were, I would have not been able to see that target well enough to be half as consistent.
I can see a 2moa target at whatever distance pretty clear, once it gets smaller it gets pretty fuzzy.

I'll have to try 550 sooner or later, (550 is all I the closer to 500 can get from my bench

before yesterday I didn't think I would ever get 300, I had tried with probably 18 shots on at least 3 different occasions.

The_Rifleman · 07-09-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie N

Looks like some good shooting to me. Makes me wonder if I can do that with either of my .45s.
I also like to challenge myself.

I tried shooting at the longer distances mainly because I seen a YouTube of a guy shooting balloons at long range with a pistol much like the top one in your picture. Try it!

jack404 · 07-09-2010, 12:37 AM

a coke can sized target at 300 is a chest sized target at 800 ...

a golf ball at 300 is a head at 900

nuthing at all wrong with that ,

8-9 outta 10 times?

(add some slow moving targets

)

the trick is doing it when you need to and maybe all day..

but thats heaps good enough ..

cheers

Insulation Tim · 07-09-2010, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jack404

dont stress about nay sayers, even when you do what they say cant be done they'll find a excuse to say its wrong

The same type of folks who still say the Lunar Landing was filmed in a Hollywood sound stage. Some folks just have no idea what to do with their time.

Nice little video.

Personally, I never question anyone's photos of their shot groups. Why bother to lie. There are no big prizes that I am aware of.

RustyFN · 07-09-2010, 12:08 PM

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There are no big prizes that I am aware of.

Now you tell me.

Zane71464 · 07-10-2010, 02:15 AM

Hey Rifleman, that's some GREAT pistol shooting there.
Keep up the good shooting and keep posting those video's!
There is always "nay-sayers", well let them be just that...nothing to prove here and
no awards to be handed out and I for one look forward to see what your going to be pulling off next, and you do! That's some good shooting there.

oneshot onekill · 07-10-2010, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rifleman

I was told that unless I shoot "uninterrupted video," (I'm dishonest,) of a 5 shot group, (what I do is unacceptable,) with my Howa, my marksmanship is questionable.

Since I can't afford to waste 30-06 supplies to entertain those that haven't done what they expect me to do; and since I needed to test a summer load for the Smith & Wesson, I used the 357.

6 Shots, 357 Mag, 300 Yards

The second shot seems to be very close on the left side, just high of center; that will be the first shot of my 5 shot group. This load passes my test... do I pass yours?

I await your uninterrupted 5 shot 300 yard video...

On a lighter note, it is another personal best; today was the first time I hit at 300 yards with a pistol. Shots 3, 4 and 5 looks like about a 4 inch group. The last 5 seem to be about a 6 inch group. I'll do better next time.

Pistol: Smith & Wesson 686, 357 Mag
Bullet: Hornady 158gr HP-XTP
Powder: VIHT N 110
Primer: CCI 550 Mag
Case: Federal

I hope posting range reports isn't becoming a problem.

To be clear. I don't post range reports to impress people; I post them to show what specific firearms are capable of. I post them to show what the cheapest equipment will do. I post to show the benefits of reloading. My 92 year old Eddystone has a shot out barrel but still shoots .75MOA because I have ammo tailored especially for it. My 30-30 shoots .5MOA at 300 yards, that isn't supposed to be possible.
I don't do anything different than anyone else. Just Saturday I let someone that never shot a scoped rifle before and never shot beyond 40 feet, use the Howa to take one shot at a 1.25" target at 300 yards. With just 2 minutes of coaching, they missed by a fraction of an inch. There is nothing I do that anyone else can't do just as well or much better.

Well, I was the nay-sayer and I truly apologize for that. I bow down to your skill as a Marksman. I'm not trying to be condescending here. I have really seen some amazing shots in your videos. My hat's off to you Rifleman.

Today I actually made my own little "uninterrupted" video of a 300 yd. "cold-Bore" shot at the plastic cap from a water bottle. Not the smartest idea I've ever had because the cap is basically white plastic and I stapled it to a white piece of paper. I could only barely make out the staple and a little bit of shadow through the mirage created by this 90+ degree day. Not to mention the wind does crazy things at my range. From the line to about 200yds there was an intermittent crosswind and from there to 300yds it swirls because of the berm on both sides. I'm not making excuses just detailing the conditions. I made the video with the only thing I have to do this with, an iPod Nano that has a built-in video camera. It's an amateurish attempt and I even had my finger in front of the lens for part of it (but not the important parts and I didn't cover it completely). The problem is that my computer won't recognize the iPod since I upgraded my I-Tunes account. I have no freakin' way to get this video out to you. I'm going to try it at work on Monday so stand by. I have an IT guy there that I'll get to help me if he can. I WILL get it out there!

Anyway, I did it because I needed to... After the SH#T-STORM I've endured over this!

The_Rifleman · 07-11-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oneshot onekill

Today I actually made my own little "uninterrupted" video of a 300 yd. "cold-Bore" shot at the plastic cap from a water bottle.

Cool, I hope you figure out how to YouTube it.

Quote:

I truly apologize

Thanks for the apology, don't worry yourself about it.

oneshot onekill · 07-11-2010, 07:48 PM

Well my video is over 4 minutes long and my home computer doesn't have enough horsepower to upload it. I got around the iTunes issue but now I'm stuck again. I'm going to try to put it on YouTube if I can figure out how. Be patient with me Rifleman...

JLA · 07-11-2010, 09:19 PM

I always carry a black sharpie to the range with me for that very reason oneshot, Sometimes i get so caught up and excited to shoot a 200 yd group that i do stupid hairbrained crap like that and dont realize it til im staring down the scope thinkin "dammit, my target fell off"

The_Rifleman · 07-11-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oneshot onekill

Well my video is over 4 minutes long and my home computer doesn't have enough horsepower to upload it.

That is one of the reasons I was telling yo about before, I can't upload a quality video over 30 seconds long. I'm unable to upload a 4 minutes long video of any quality; I usually can't watch a 4 minute video before my connection dies. If it is a high quality video, forget about it! I will not be able to get through the first minute before the flash player crashes.

If you have a pic of the target, that really is all that anyone should need. I was asking for a "uninterrupted video," because that is where my bar was set at.

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carry a black sharpie

I carry one in my shooting bag.

oneshot onekill · 07-12-2010, 09:11 AM

OK, Here's an attempt to download the video. I used tinypic to get it into a format I could use. Anyway, like I said, It's very amateur but it is continuous and that was the important part. If you've ever used an iPod Nano for video you'll know why my finger go in the picture a lot. The lens is in the corner of the front of the thing. It doesn't zoom either. Enough excuses...
View My Video

Oh, by the way... I missed!

And the other holes in that target were from someone else. My target was the piece of paper I stapled to the middle of what was already there and the cap I stapled in the video. So you see, I do carry a sharpie. I just didn't think to use it on the cap. The whole video idea was an afterthought. I wasn't going to do it but when I got into my truck and took a drink from my water-bottle I decided to go ahead and shoot it.

todd51 · 07-12-2010, 10:16 AM

Looks like a pretty good shot to me. I couldn't come close to something like that. Don't even know how to post a video even if I took a shot. The finger on the lens and the white on white target I can relate to.

Nice shooting and lots of smiles, thanks.

oneshot onekill · 07-12-2010, 12:21 PM

I took a second shot at the same target right after the first one. This time I could see my first hole and used it as a point of reference. I didn't video taking the shot. Just the aftermath. I'll try to get that video up too.

Here's the second video... and a little more info: The bullets were Hornady 150gr SPBT but they were my reloads. The brass was Lake City Match Brass from 1982, the powder was 42gr. of IMR4064 and the primers were CCI200 Large Rifle Primers. The extra brass laying next to the rifle was from earlier shots I took at the gong to zero the scope. It was set at 100yds. After zeroing the scope to 300yds I waited about 30 minutes and was talking to another shooter as he was packing up to leave. I figure that was enough time for the rifle to cool. Hence the shot being called a "cold bore" shot.
View My Video

07-08-2010, 12:41 AM	#1
The_Rifleman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 872	The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I was told that unless I shoot "uninterrupted video," (I'm dishonest,) of a 5 shot group, (what I do is unacceptable,) with my Howa, my marksmanship is questionable. Since I can't afford to waste 30-06 supplies to entertain those that haven't done what they expect me to do; and since I needed to test a summer load for the Smith & Wesson, I used the 357. 6 Shots, 357 Mag, 300 Yards The second shot seems to be very close on the left side, just high of center; that will be the first shot of my 5 shot group. This load passes my test... do I pass yours? I await your uninterrupted 5 shot 300 yard video... On a lighter note, it is another personal best; today was the first time I hit at 300 yards with a pistol. Shots 3, 4 and 5 looks like about a 4 inch group. The last 5 seem to be about a 6 inch group. I'll do better next time. Pistol: Smith & Wesson 686, 357 Mag Bullet: Hornady 158gr HP-XTP Powder: VIHT N 110 Primer: CCI 550 Mag Case: Federal I hope posting range reports isn't becoming a problem. To be clear. I don't post range reports to impress people; I post them to show what specific firearms are capable of. I post them to show what the cheapest equipment will do. I post to show the benefits of reloading. My 92 year old Eddystone has a shot out barrel but still shoots .75MOA because I have ammo tailored especially for it. My 30-30 shoots .5MOA at 300 yards, that isn't supposed to be possible. I don't do anything different than anyone else. Just Saturday I let someone that never shot a scoped rifle before and never shot beyond 40 feet, use the Howa to take one shot at a 1.25" target at 300 yards. With just 2 minutes of coaching, they missed by a fraction of an inch. There is nothing I do that anyone else can't do just as well or much better. __________________ Debate isn't "uncivil" behavior. Pointing out illogical reasoning is a legitimate counter argument. That is the problem with internet forum mods, they rarely understand what constitutes legitimate, honest and civil debate. They reward the trolls and annoy the people genuinely trying communicate. I don't really like this place anyway, have fun with your power trip. ...nuff said. -->

07-08-2010, 01:06 AM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... dont stress about nay sayers, even when you do what they say cant be done they'll find a excuse to say its wrong just enjoy what you do , do it the best that you can and everything else is trivia i'll watch the vid's later when the net's got less traffic but liked all your previous stuff eh

07-08-2010, 03:44 AM	#3
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,315	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I dont doubt your skill rifleman. Sure anybody can hit the mark if they send enough bullets downrange at it. but you have proven to be a very efficient shooter hitting the mark with the first shot everytime. You have a snipers understanding of how bullets and firearms are supposed to work. Like our aussie friend said, dont sweat the nay sayers __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-08-2010, 03:45 AM	#4
Old Grump Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Little hut in the woods near Blue River Wisconsin Posts: 2,286	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... My kind of guy, good shooting by the way. My motto is shoot ridiculous small objects at ridiculous long ranges at ridiculous small targets. That is fun, everything else is just practice. __________________ "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson Roman Catholic, Life Member of American Legion, VFW, Wisconsin Libertarian party, Wi-FORCE, WGO, NRA, JPFO, GOA, SAFand CCRKBA

07-08-2010, 04:26 AM	#5
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... and i thought shooting a 6 inch steel plate at 50 yards off hand with a pistol was pretty good

07-08-2010, 05:29 AM	#6
The_Rifleman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 872	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I was amazed when I first shot this pistol, never seen a pistol that shot as well. Yep, I figure the smaller the object the better I will get. I don't always hit but I try to figure out why I missed when I do and correct the error. I try not to sweat the small stuff but sometimes I just need to set the record straight. __________________ Debate isn't "uncivil" behavior. Pointing out illogical reasoning is a legitimate counter argument. That is the problem with internet forum mods, they rarely understand what constitutes legitimate, honest and civil debate. They reward the trolls and annoy the people genuinely trying communicate. I don't really like this place anyway, have fun with your power trip. ...nuff said.

07-08-2010, 07:47 AM	#7
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,251	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... Rifleman, I loved that 300 yd pistol shooting! Now back up to 500 yds! It can be done. I know for a fact that the .357 is capable of hitting targets at that range, although I have never even tried it. I've read about it, and I know that the balistics are there. Just want to see it, and you are the man that can show us all how it's done. Don't worry about the nay sayers, you just keep on doing your thang! And just so you know, I'm one of those folks that think about the 2nd Amendment the same way you do. When you read the text there is no language that prohibits the ownership of firearms by any American citizen. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-08-2010, 08:08 AM	#8
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I enjoy the videos..keep them coming. I like the ones in snow...that takes dedication. J

07-08-2010, 09:36 AM	#9
RustyFN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 592	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... 300 yards with a 357 is nothing, now 500 would have been impressive. Ok ok just kidding. That was very nice. I would have been lucky to hit that with my AR 15. I agree with the others, don't sweat it.

07-08-2010, 11:25 AM	#10
Eddie N Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Contributor Posts: 1,192	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... Looks like some good shooting to me. Makes me wonder if I can do that with either of my .45s. I also like to challenge myself. Attached Images __________________ September 11, 2001 Hope and Change: I hope there's some change left in my paycheck! 2012: Saying good bye to my paycheck. Last edited by Eddie N; 07-08-2010 at 11:27 AM..

07-08-2010, 01:58 PM	#11
dianalv Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,160	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I couldn't see the target on an unscoped firearm at 300 yards. I have trouble with small targets at 100 yards. Scoped now... that might be doable with a rest. Never shot handgun with a rest before.

07-09-2010, 12:37 AM	#14
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... a coke can sized target at 300 is a chest sized target at 800 ... a golf ball at 300 is a head at 900 nuthing at all wrong with that , 8-9 outta 10 times? (add some slow moving targets ) the trick is doing it when you need to and maybe all day.. but thats heaps good enough .. cheers Last edited by jack404; 07-09-2010 at 12:43 AM..

07-10-2010, 02:15 AM	#17
Zane71464 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio NRA Member Contributor Posts: 5,350	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... Hey Rifleman, that's some GREAT pistol shooting there. Keep up the good shooting and keep posting those video's! There is always "nay-sayers", well let them be just that...nothing to prove here and no awards to be handed out and I for one look forward to see what your going to be pulling off next, and you do! That's some good shooting there. __________________ Two Words; "Simple Man", song by Charlie Daniels sums up my thoughts on a "few things"!

07-11-2010, 07:48 PM	#20
oneshot onekill V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: DeBary, Florida Posts: 189	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... Well my video is over 4 minutes long and my home computer doesn't have enough horsepower to upload it. I got around the iTunes issue but now I'm stuck again. I'm going to try to put it on YouTube if I can figure out how. Be patient with me Rifleman... Last edited by oneshot onekill; 07-11-2010 at 07:50 PM..

07-11-2010, 09:19 PM	#21
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,315	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I always carry a black sharpie to the range with me for that very reason oneshot, Sometimes i get so caught up and excited to shoot a 200 yd group that i do stupid hairbrained crap like that and dont realize it til im staring down the scope thinkin "dammit, my target fell off" __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-12-2010, 09:11 AM	#23
oneshot onekill V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: DeBary, Florida Posts: 189	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... OK, Here's an attempt to download the video. I used tinypic to get it into a format I could use. Anyway, like I said, It's very amateur but it is continuous and that was the important part. If you've ever used an iPod Nano for video you'll know why my finger go in the picture a lot. The lens is in the corner of the front of the thing. It doesn't zoom either. Enough excuses... View My Video Oh, by the way... I missed! And the other holes in that target were from someone else. My target was the piece of paper I stapled to the middle of what was already there and the cap I stapled in the video. So you see, I do carry a sharpie. I just didn't think to use it on the cap. The whole video idea was an afterthought. I wasn't going to do it but when I got into my truck and took a drink from my water-bottle I decided to go ahead and shoot it. Last edited by oneshot onekill; 07-12-2010 at 09:17 AM..

07-12-2010, 10:16 AM	#24
todd51 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Central, Ohio Contributor Posts: 2,572	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... Looks like a pretty good shot to me. I couldn't come close to something like that. Don't even know how to post a video even if I took a shot. The finger on the lens and the white on white target I can relate to. Nice shooting and lots of smiles, thanks. __________________ Retired Praefectus Vigilum NRA Endowment Member

07-12-2010, 12:21 PM	#25
oneshot onekill V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: DeBary, Florida Posts: 189	Re: The nay-sayer wanted to see a 5 shot group... I took a second shot at the same target right after the first one. This time I could see my first hole and used it as a point of reference. I didn't video taking the shot. Just the aftermath. I'll try to get that video up too. Here's the second video... and a little more info: The bullets were Hornady 150gr SPBT but they were my reloads. The brass was Lake City Match Brass from 1982, the powder was 42gr. of IMR4064 and the primers were CCI200 Large Rifle Primers. The extra brass laying next to the rifle was from earlier shots I took at the gong to zero the scope. It was set at 100yds. After zeroing the scope to 300yds I waited about 30 minutes and was talking to another shooter as he was packing up to leave. I figure that was enough time for the rifle to cool. Hence the shot being called a "cold bore" shot. View My Video Last edited by oneshot onekill; 07-12-2010 at 03:23 PM..