Rimfire - .22LR or .17HMR Which is best?

[Big Shrek]

Originally Posted by Danwin22

What's next, those cute little Kowali bears or those platipussy things that look like a cross between a duck and a beaver?

You guys need a movie like "Bambi" to get all the tree-huggers upset.

Just replace Bambi with a Roo, maybe a Koala for Thumper and go on down the line adapting other Ausie animals.

The movie that was supposed to garner support for Roo's..was "Kangaroo Jack".



To say that it failed would be an understatement...by the end of the movie, most adult watchers were hoping the Kangaroo & entire cast would be hit by a truck, and wondering exactly how low Christopher Walken would go for a paycheck.

So, in conclusion to this minor threadjack...lol...Kangaroo makes a TASTY Burger!!

[gunplumber]

High vel ammo from a CZ452 at that distance would be much better. In my own personal experience, the CZ will give better results in accuracy than others mentioned, gun for gun.

[MYREDTAIL]

Over the last 30 yrs. I have taken down some large woodchucks, out to apx 100 yds with my 22LR Using either CCI Stinger's or Remington's Yellow Jacket's all with one shot kill's either in the head or a solid body shot with, both of these ammo. & they are great on rabbit's also with very little meat damage when head shot,of corse, Thr gun used is my trusty Remington Nylon 66 in the apache chrome black, I had a Bushnell 22 scope mounted on it for several years, but after my Cataract surgery in each eye, the blinker's are back to 20/20 so I removed the scope & now just shoot it with the iron sight's, still great out to 100 yds. Amazing what modern eye surgery can do.?

[Kent Detective]

Woodchucks! What are they?

Glad you're eye surgery worked. I too shoot one of my rifles on iron-sights (Mod 5).

[copey]

i would rather shoot a 22 lr all day long over a 17 hmr.my reason being the weight of the bullet . you cant silence them only suppress the escaping crack.

shot a couple of conys the other night at 100 plus yards with my 22.hit 1 through the head instant kill the other hit in the lungs but the bullet stayed in the rabbit and disabled the rabbit giving me time to get to it.

i shot a 17 for a couple of months did not like it had to many land owners complaining about me shooting with a shot gun at night its that loud

[Sandman]

In general, I would say .22 is better for rabbits, but 150 yards is a LOOOONNNGG way for a .22. If you really need that distance, go with the .17. If you can limit your shots to under 100 yards, it is a different story.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Big Shrek

I have to correct this.

The Ruger 10/22 has only sold 7 million rifles worldwide since it's inception in 1964.
The Marlin Model 60 has sold over 12 million rifles worldwide since it became available in 1960.

Ruger therefore isn't even close to being the most popular, or prolific, .22lr rifle.

The temptation to shout "RUGER LIES" like the congressman said about Obama is high

Now if they wanted to change their statement to say "Most popular to replace almost every original part.",
THEN, they would be correct.

That's where Ruger leads...because almost every part on a Ruger is made better by someone in the aftermarket.
That's just the facts.


Just so you also know, the Marlin 795 is based on the most recent model 60 action, so it gives you the same quality & even more precision, due to the 795's Medium-Weight Tapered Target Barrel. It resists the heat produced by rapid-fire longer than the thinner stock barrels of the 60 & 10/22.

I think most people on this forum would say that the Ruger 10/22 is a very good rifle, and that Ruger is an excellent company. I would also disagree about the after market parts. It has the widest array of aftermarket parts for customizing a rifle, but I don't see many people going out and replacing their wood stock with a similar aftermarket wood stock because the quality is higher.

[mr.t7024]

Big Shrek is Right, nuff said!

[LewiSS]

I have had a Henry lever action in both, and still like .22 better for all the reasons already stated. Plus, when the .17 was first becoming popular I read a short article in one of the magazines (or maybe it was on gunblast.com) that said hunters were seeing overpenetration with the .17. That small, fast bullet was sailing right through some animals, and wasn't providing a humaine 1-shot clean kill if you don't hit a vital organ right off.

[22shot]

.22Lr are cheap to shoot; potent; and vey accurate when teamed with the right rifle. (and shooter).
They are limited by range only...I've heard about native Alaskans going out on the rivers in their boats to "harvest" the migrating caribou as they swam across ( a .22 shot in the ear doing the trick)...illegal but you gotta eat.
And then there were the .22 High Standard semi-auto pistols with the screw on suppresors.....but that's another story.
The .17 is a very hyper elongated BB; not much more than a "flash in the pan".
If your average "hunting" shots are over 100 yds; the .22LR is not for you; and the .17 isn't even in the book.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Kent Detective

Woodchucks! What are they?

Ground hog. A big, nasty rodent, usually only about 4 kg here near me, but in certain areas they can sometimes be over 10 kg.

In my state, the hunting regulations for them are "any time of day, any time of year, with any equipment, and no limit on number." Pretty much, they are a pest.

[Regular Joe]

Since you haven't developed a preference, I'd say to run with the CZ in .22LR
I've had friends who had .17's, and they never impressed me enough to get one. Those tiny little bullets are just too small to be useful to me, regardless of speed and claimed range.
My "big thing" is the 10/.22, but aftermarket parts are much easier to get here than they are there, from what I've read. To help in your choices, do some comprehensive reading over here:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php
As for the 10/.22 being "small" for a grown man, that's all a matter of what you want. I'm pretty good size, but I really like my CRR (compact) 10/.22's. I do have a regular sized 10/.22, and with all I've done to it, it has cost about $750. You'll probably be ahead in the long run with the CZ.

[mr.t7024]

Marlin model 60,nuff said!

[JLA]

I hate the 17 bore. too hard to clean properly, rods are flimsy, they foul quickly, accuracy is badass but short lived before proper cleaning is needed. I much prefer .22s to the quick 17s. A good LR with quality ammo will put a bunny down out to 150 yds accurately in a good rifle in the hands of an experienced shooter.

[accident]

I'd go with the CZ 452 in .22 any day. IMHO. Joe